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Yeah, if you think about it pot is just like guns in this sense. If it is dangerous* then you want it to be legal so it can be regulated, otherwise it's all in the hands of people who don't really care about complying with laws and regulations in the first place. *I don't believe pot to be harmful.
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Are there any companies in CO that sell THC e-cig juice? I know there are various pen vapes and the like that work with pinches of raw herb, but something that is interchangeable with nicotine cartridges in the same device would be a boon to harm reduction.
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Jun 7, 2014 01:58
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quote:Colorado’s poster boy for ‘stoned driving’ was drunk off his gourd
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Elotana posted:Are there any companies in CO that sell THC e-cig juice? I know there are various pen vapes and the like that work with pinches of raw herb, but something that is interchangeable with nicotine cartridges in the same device would be a boon to harm reduction. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/pot-boom-e-cigs-sales-set-soar-colo-article-1.1567304 NY Daily News posted:“I hit it all day, every day, and one cartridge lasts me for a couple of weeks,” said an employee of the Evergreen Apothecary, who gave only his first name, Connor. “I tried going back to regular pot and it tasted terrible, like a cigarette.” It's weird that all of the articles seem to mention cartridges, since I thought that style of ecig was relatively passee outside of the gas station market. I suppose bottles of juice aren't far behind though.
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Jun 8, 2014 23:22
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Also the guy who wanted to "Fly off his balcony he was so high, like that comic from spider man" actually tripped and fell to his death.
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Jun 9, 2014 02:38
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Nonsense posted:Also the guy who wanted to "Fly off his balcony he was so high, like that comic from spider man" actually tripped and fell to his death. It's bizarre how often this is presented as a justification for cannabis prohibition given the number of boozed up nitwits who jump off a roof into a swimming pool and break their spine.
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Jun 9, 2014 03:13
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KingEup posted:It's bizarre how often this is presented as a justification for cannabis prohibition given the number of boozed up nitwits who jump off a roof into a swimming pool and break their spine. Or drive. While our DUI laws are pretty stupid, if they've stopped a single person from getting behind the wheel sloshed then I can't complain much.
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Elotana posted:Are there any companies in CO that sell THC e-cig juice? I know there are various pen vapes and the like that work with pinches of raw herb, but something that is interchangeable with nicotine cartridges in the same device would be a boon to harm reduction. When I was in Denver two weeks ago they absolutely were selling e-cigs with replaceable chambers with 3 different strains available for sale. Smooth and clean taste and portable, clean and easy to use. They were priced at $36-$40 per cartridge $5 for the battery/heating element at the places I went to and were supposedly good for around 150 hits per cartridge not that I can verify that claim. Assuming they don't give you mega cancer I can't fathom a reason other than ultra-specfic strain preference to not use those in lieu of other inhalation methods.
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Jun 9, 2014 04:51
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Elotana posted:Are there any companies in CO that sell THC e-cig juice? I know there are various pen vapes and the like that work with pinches of raw herb, but something that is interchangeable with nicotine cartridges in the same device would be a boon to harm reduction. There are also rechargeable pen vaporizers, and heads for regular e-cigs that can both be used for vaping hash. Not only is it [supposedly] less harmful, it's more pleasant than smoking because it doesn't irritate your throat or smell very much.
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Jun 9, 2014 07:21
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If you think you can fly, try taking off from the ground.
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Jun 9, 2014 11:02
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Powercrazy posted:The modern liberal prerogative is to ban things unless you can justify not banning them especially when emotional strings like "the children" are involved. The irony would be humorous if not for the ideological bankruptcy behind it. What the gently caress are you talking about too? Liberal perogative? Banning marriage comes straight to mind but what about literally the thread we're in? How long has this one specific drug been banned? Why? We know the answers.
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Jun 10, 2014 03:03
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I should hope that Powercrazy means liberal in the sense that Tony Blair and George Bush are both liberals. In that case there is some merit to it. Otherwise no.
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Elotana posted:Are there any companies in CO that sell THC e-cig juice? I know there are various pen vapes and the like that work with pinches of raw herb, but something that is interchangeable with nicotine cartridges in the same device would be a boon to harm reduction. You bet. This isn't the only one out there, either. The battery is a standard 510 unit. 
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Jun 10, 2014 19:43
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http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...isrc=burger_bar Right now, legalization prospects look good. Alaska may or may not go recreational in November; in 2016, California almost certainly will. Oddly enough, I think Alaska might be a bigger selling point than California. When a dyed-red state votes to legalize pot, it may bring some conservatives on board the green train. 
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AYC posted:http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...isrc=burger_bar If Alaska was going to be a selling point it probably already would have been so long ago. Marijuana possession for personal use up to 4 oz has been state-legal there since 1975 due to ACTIVIST JUDGES  , it's just the industry that's up for legalization.
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SedanChair posted:I should hope that Powercrazy means liberal in the sense that Tony Blair and George Bush are both liberals. In that case there is some merit to it. Otherwise no. I mean "liberal" in the perverted absolutist, america-centric, "team politics" way. "Liberals" want to ban (wrong)speech and guns and who cares what else, conservatives want to ban (wrong)marriage, abortion and whatever else, and they both want to keep (most)drugs banned. I'm not a fan of prohibiting harmless hobbies, legislating "right" think or regulating private, or public activities with goal of eliminating dissent just because they differ from what I believe in or prefer to do, so I don't really fit into those teams, and I look down on those that identify with either of them.
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Maybe "authoritarian" is the word you're looking for.
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Woof. I couldn't make it through the training period as a trimmer with LivWell. It's like a factory more than anything else.
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Trimming gets boring as gently caress. I heard.
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SedanChair posted:Trimming gets boring as gently caress. I heard. Not when you're trying to do ten plants a day.
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Welcome to the wide world of manufacturing!
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Jago posted:Welcome to the wide world of manufacturing! Pretty much. I think the closest I've ever had to a job in manufacturing is in food service, and that's probably not even in the same solar system.
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Jago posted:Welcome to the wide world of manufacturing! Yeah, but given that this is manufacturing, it's only a matter of time before automated systems are developed and widely-adopted, right?
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LuciferMorningstar posted:Yeah, but given that this is manufacturing, it's only a matter of time before automated systems are developed and widely-adopted, right? I asked about that too and they already have mechanical tumblers that will trim and scruff the plants.
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LuciferMorningstar posted:Yeah, but given that this is manufacturing, it's only a matter of time before automated systems are developed and widely-adopted, right? Agriculture has undergone a lot of mechanization, but picking and trimming are still almost always done manually.
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Realizing this is more the "abstract discussion" thread and less the "play-by-play" advocacy thread, a little good news: - Oregon has collected over 100k signatures for their IP 53, of 83,000 valid needed. Full recreational for 21+, sales administered by Liquor Control Board, taxes $35/oz, polling Tuesday running 51% for, 41% against. - DC looking cautiously optimistic for Initiative 71, racing to hit the 23k signature quota by 7 July. Reminder that January polling in DC showed adults (not necessarily voters) 63% for, 34% against. - Alaska turned in their 45k sigs (30k valid required) and got certified in February, so Ballot Measure 2 locked in for November 2014. Serious cash influx from Marijuana Policy Project, way more than the trickle of funding going to the anti- group "Big Marijuana Big Mistake". BMBM has some... interesting angle on their website. As of February, Alaska voters are running 55% for, 39% against. Just a broad update. I'm keeping all the nitty-gritty about campaigning in the A/T thread, since the TCC legal thread is pretty quiet. TapTheForwardAssist fucked around with this message at 21:03 on Jun 16, 2014 |
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Remember back when Maureen Dowd ate too much of her edible and tripped balls for 8 hours? Turns out she omitted some important details about her experience that indicates she's either a complete dunce or went out of her way to negatively portray legalized cannabis. http://www.denverpost.com/carroll/ci_25937294/maureen-dowds-big-adventure-edibles quote:Maureen Dowd asks us to believe that a highly intelligent, well-traveled writer for one of the world's leading newspapers casually overdosed on a THC-infused candy bar in her Denver hotel room because she had no idea how much a novice should eat.
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quote:You wouldn't know it from her column, but Colorado law requires edible marijuana products manufactured for retail sale to feature the total amount of THC in milligrams. Meanwhile, the labels also contain this advisement: "The standardized serving size for this product includes no more than 10 mg of Active THC." I think that's been shown to be wildly inaccurate before, but yes she's definitely an idiot.
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It's almost exclusively been wrong in the other direction though (companies including almost nothing). Frankly, I'm strongly suspecting she just made it up at this point. She clearly either has an axe to grind or aimed at empty sensationalism. Also, can I count on you pro-pot guys, once you've gotten your poo poo locked down, to back us up on legalizing the other harmless (but significantly more socially valuable) drugs like LSD and Mescaline?
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I'm not actually convinced that LSD exists anymore at least not nearly in the quantities claimed. There are plenty of chemicals you can get that are sold as "LSD" but usually they turn out to be some of the dozens of other research compounds that claim to have similar effects. Now if you just want any of those other chemicals fully legalized, well now you've opened a whole can of worms and I can't see that being a thing in our lifetime.
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Powercrazy posted:I'm not actually convinced that LSD exists anymore at least not nearly in the quantities claimed. There are plenty of chemicals you can get that are sold as "LSD" but usually they turn out to be some of the dozens of other research compounds that claim to have similar effects. There is still tons of it out there. Just need to go to festivals or know the right people. And use a test kit.
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GlyphGryph posted:It's almost exclusively been wrong in the other direction though (companies including almost nothing). I don't see any reason to think she made it up. Her description is an accurate description of getting way too high on an edible. She probably smoked in college and thought she was up to the challenge.
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AYC posted:One step at a time, man. LSD doesn't have the same widespread existing usage, so I doubt they'll be anything more than a decriminalization effort underway. Well, before LSD would come mushrooms I imagine. Buying a few grams at a store baked into chocolate wouldn't be too far off from the current weed edibles. If it became socially acceptable to trip as opposed to just getting high, I would think other psychedelics would be on the table eventually? Though I'm not sure the business model for LSD, since you need so little of it; when it was more widely available, how was it packaged? I could see people having acid parties and stuff, but it's the opposite of a casual drug. No one gets home from work and pops a few tabs. Plus, I think it has more of a stigma for some reason.
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A Strange Aeon posted:when it was more widely available, how was it packaged? I could see people having acid parties and stuff, but it's the opposite of a casual drug. No one gets home from work and pops a few tabs. Plus, I think it has more of a stigma for some reason. As a liquid, usually in a Visine bottle. I think each bottle was $100, and you'd make $500 if you split the doses and sold them individually. (also, when you're walking around with a dropper full of the stuff it definitely does kind of become a casual drug)
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A Strange Aeon posted:Well, before LSD would come mushrooms I imagine. Buying a few grams at a store baked into chocolate wouldn't be too far off from the current weed edibles. The hardest legalization hurdles will be anything that's mainly taken via injection; the "junkie" stigma is unfortunately alive and well, and sadly even basic health things like needle exchange programs are controversial.
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Powercrazy posted:I'm not actually convinced that LSD exists anymore at least not nearly in the quantities claimed. There are plenty of chemicals you can get that are sold as "LSD" but usually they turn out to be some of the dozens of other research compounds that claim to have similar effects.
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A Strange Aeon posted:Well, before LSD would come mushrooms I imagine. Buying a few grams at a store baked into chocolate wouldn't be too far off from the current weed edibles. 
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I'd love to read a Maureen Dowd piece about when she ate mushroom chocolates containing the equivalent of two pounds of the stuff in a hotel room by herself.
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It's a good point though - there's a lot less stigma associated with mushrooms (and maybe peyote?) than a purely artificial substance like LSD thanks to the whole naturalistic fallacy that's been popular lately, and if mushrooms and peyote were both legalized. Plus they aren't nearly as tightly coupled with the counter-culture anymore - LSD-likes brings up images of hippies, MDMA-likes make people worry about are children. Since Peyote is actually semi-legal, and it's banning has faces numerous religious challenges, maybe that would be an even better 'next target' than shrooms? AYC posted:One step at a time, man. LSD doesn't have the same widespread existing usage, so I doubt they'll be anything more than a decriminalization effort underway. We're winning the pot war, after long, hard effort, and slowly - but pot is the easiest war to win, thanks to enduring popularity. I'd like to see us continue making progress on sensible drug policy, and it will be important for the "next target" to be lined up, to carry forward momentum and organization, if we're really going to try and overturn this prohibition paradigm - otherwise pot will be the next alcohol, and its successes, though significant, will end up simply representing another exception instead of the re-conceptualization of actual policy that we badly need. If we do lose the momentum, I'm not sure there's another drug left that would let us regain it, and official policy will become and remain "ban anything that's not popular enough". GlyphGryph fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Jun 17, 2014 |
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