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vOv posted:There is one upside to the new Gatherer redesign: they fixed exclamation marks in flavor texts not showing up. But the cursor no longer defaults to the search bar. I have to hit tab three times 
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Zorak posted:I was listening to one of the recent MagicTVs and they commented on the possibility and idea that had been put to Wizards to ban the fetches in Modern in order to reduce the sheer amount of shuffling in matches. Is it realistic that it could ever happen? No.
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Jun 15, 2014 03:24
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Zorak posted:I was listening to one of the recent MagicTVs and they commented on the possibility and idea that had been put to Wizards to ban the fetches in Modern in order to reduce the sheer amount of shuffling in matches. Is it realistic that it could ever happen? It would piss off basically the entire existing Modern player base who've spent a ton of money on Fetches.
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Jun 15, 2014 03:27
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Entropic posted:It would piss off basically the entire existing Modern player base who've spent a ton of money on Fetches. So would reprinting them, but hopefully that happens sometime soon.
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Jun 15, 2014 03:36
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Jabor posted:So would reprinting them, but hopefully that happens sometime soon. Reprinting them has the benefit of pleasing a whole bunch of players though, plus being something where they can say "we told you these were reprintable".
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Jun 15, 2014 03:38
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Good lord, after going 1-2 and 0-3 in Vintage drafts, I've officially determined I have terrible card evaluation skills. It feels just like cube, I end up with a random pile of cards in vaguely similar colours, and get trounced by people who are playing actual decks. Now that legacy events are paying out in VMA packs, though, it makes more sense to pick up the rapidly falling duals. Given the reprints, does anyone know of good legacy decks that can take advantage of them? Yes, I know Burn and Dredge, but I was thinking of decks that actually interact and reward play, but don't run Wastelands/Gaea's Cradle/Port/other expensive non-reprinted cards.
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Jun 15, 2014 03:46
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I played for the first time in nearly 10+ years today. Holy poo poo has this game changed! I remember I got out of it back in the day because someone would read about a great deck online and drop $500 on a deck. Has it gotten any more fun/easier for a casual player to show up with a $30-50 deck and compete? Also what would be the most effective way to get back into the swing of things and learn the new sets? Just go buy some boosters or a starter deck? I always liked coming up with my own gimmicky or theme decks and trying to come up with my own designs. That was more fun to me than just reading about one and buying a set.
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Jun 15, 2014 03:59
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Zorak posted:I was listening to one of the recent MagicTVs and they commented on the possibility and idea that had been put to Wizards to ban the fetches in Modern in order to reduce the sheer amount of shuffling in matches. Is it realistic that it could ever happen? I think people put a LOT more stock in the comment Maro made about avoiding shuffling effects. Avoiding it doesn't mean neve.r again
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Jun 15, 2014 04:01
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Zorak posted:I was listening to one of the recent MagicTVs and they commented on the possibility and idea that had been put to Wizards to ban the fetches in Modern in order to reduce the sheer amount of shuffling in matches. Is it realistic that it could ever happen? I started playing recently so never got to play with them last time around but if fetches were in a Standard environment where the dual lands in rotation didn't have basic land types & there also weren't any landfall effects, would they even be a must-include? I think I understand their role in a Modern manabase (since with shock lands or whatever they can basically fetch any combination of colors) but without that, they don't seem all that helpful.
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Jun 15, 2014 04:04
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Zorak posted:I was listening to one of the recent MagicTVs and they commented on the possibility and idea that had been put to Wizards to ban the fetches in Modern in order to reduce the sheer amount of shuffling in matches. Is it realistic that it could ever happen? I started playing recently so never got to play with them last time around but if fetches were in a Standard environment where the dual lands in rotation didn't have basic land types & there also weren't any landfall effects, would they even be a must-include? I think I understand their role in a Modern manabase (since with shock lands or whatever they can basically fetch any combination of colors) but without that, they don't seem all that helpful.
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Jun 15, 2014 04:04
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jassi007 posted:I think people put a LOT more stock in the comment Maro made about avoiding shuffling effects. Avoiding it doesn't mean neve.r again Well it was more Josh Utter-Leyton and Tom Martell agreeing with other pros that the fetches make so much of modern tournament play just endless shuffling, which isn't fun. And they thought that them being reprinted in Standard would basically just result in a less enjoyable standard due to the endless obnoxious shuffling.
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Jun 15, 2014 04:04
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I don't really get where the dislike for shuffle effects comes from, especially since removing it means removing good land ramp and the ability to search for creatures. Also, VM's interesting because it's really a good predictor for what the likely outcome would be if the reserve list were ever actually abolished and the cards on it reprinted effectively without limit.
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Jun 15, 2014 04:07
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BaseballPCHiker posted:I played for the first time in nearly 10+ years today. Holy poo poo has this game changed! I remember I got out of it back in the day because someone would read about a great deck online and drop $500 on a deck. Has it gotten any more fun/easier for a casual player to show up with a $30-50 deck and compete? Also what would be the most effective way to get back into the swing of things and learn the new sets? Just go buy some boosters or a starter deck? I always liked coming up with my own gimmicky or theme decks and trying to come up with my own designs. That was more fun to me than just reading about one and buying a set. Modern you could get by maybe without fetches but even if you could get around them most of the staple cards in the popular decks add up to $200 even before you spend another $400 on lands. Still, it's better for you to buy individual cards then just cracking packs. I don't know about brews, I don't really feel like there are successful brews these days because online testing means that the established archetypes get really fine-tuned to be able to handle themselves.
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Jun 15, 2014 04:13
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goferchan posted:I started playing recently so never got to play with them last time around but if fetches were in a Standard environment where the dual lands in rotation didn't have basic land types & there also weren't any landfall effects, would they even be a must-include? I think I understand their role in a Modern manabase (since with shock lands or whatever they can basically fetch any combination of colors) but without that, they don't seem all that helpful. If they reprint fetches they'll be in a set with a mechanic that can make use of them even without Duals with Basic Land Types. Landfall or Threshold or maybe something new. And I will also never understand hate for shuffling. Can someone post/link one of these decks that supposedly does constant shuffling so I can see it for myself?
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Jun 15, 2014 04:15
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Fetches are getting reprinted. They would not ban them anyways, but they're back in next year.
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Jun 15, 2014 04:16
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born on a buy you posted:Fetches are getting reprinted. They would not ban them anyways, but they're back in next year. What makes you so sure they'll be reprinted so soon?
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Jun 15, 2014 04:18
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A lot of people think that because the RAV duals are rotating out, plus the high prices, the fetches are going to be reprinted immediately. I don't really see why they would be, the big spike in price happened too late for that to be a factor in whether or not they print them this fall. I mean it's possible that we see them that soon, but I don't see a particular reason why it's more likely to be this year than in a couple of years.
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Attorney at Funk posted:What makes you so sure they'll be reprinted so soon? It'd be incredibly dumb for them not to and they had said they had major modern reprints planned.
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Jun 15, 2014 04:26
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Zorak posted:Well it was more Josh Utter-Leyton and Tom Martell agreeing with other pros that the fetches make so much of modern tournament play just endless shuffling, which isn't fun. And they thought that them being reprinted in Standard would basically just result in a less enjoyable standard due to the endless obnoxious shuffling. Would it work okay as a set with a Garruk-style clause like "reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal a [basic land] or [other basic]. Put that land into play tapped, then put the revealed cards on the bottom of your library in any order." or does that not save enough time over the current shuffle-cut arrangement?
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Jun 15, 2014 04:27
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redstormpopcorn posted:Would it work okay as a set with a Garruk-style clause like "reveal cards from the top of your library until you reveal a [basic land] or [other basic]. Put that land into play tapped, then put the revealed cards on the bottom of your library in any order." or does that not save enough time over the current shuffle-cut arrangement? Then you run the risk of not getting the colour you want/need with that method.
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Jun 15, 2014 04:29
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Entropic posted:You're going to be cursing yourself in a year or two. Or maybe not. Who knows! I'll buy one again when it's half that.
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Jun 15, 2014 04:30
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TheKingofSprings posted:Then you run the risk of not getting the colour you want/need with that method. With that rough sketch, yeah. Ideally it would have you name one of two land types and add another clause (shuffle everything? exile revealed cards instead?) to prevent fail-to-find from letting you set up your perfect draws for the rest of the game.
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Jun 15, 2014 04:33
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TheKingofSprings posted:I don't really get where the dislike for shuffle effects comes from, especially since removing it means removing good land ramp and the ability to search for creatures. From a mechanical standpoint, it's great. From a practical standpoint of having a bunch of cards that enforce a prolonged physical action, it's miserable and annoying.
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Jun 15, 2014 04:35
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Why aren't "My cardboard futures investment fund" and "They're for sure reprinting fetches this time" on the same line, I want a bingo
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Jun 15, 2014 04:45
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For anyone who sucks at drafting or is overwhelmed by the nuances of VMA limited, my suggestion is just force mono Goblins. You'll be guaranteed at least 2 wins in swiss, you can pretty much draft on autopilot as it's basically always wide open, and you'll be surprised at how satisfying it is to beat face with 4x Hulking Goblin and friends.
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MiddleEastBeast posted:For anyone who sucks at drafting or is overwhelmed by the nuances of VMA limited, my suggestion is just force mono Goblins. You'll be guaranteed at least 2 wins in swiss, you can pretty much draft on autopilot as it's basically always wide open, and you'll be surprised at how satisfying it is to beat face with 4x Hulking Goblin and friends. Tons of people are doing this, too. Be ready to deal with aggro decks. I have tried to do some cute stuff, and gotten burned. I went 2-1 with a nearly mono-black deck, though.
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Jun 15, 2014 05:05
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born on a buy you posted:It'd be incredibly dumb for them not to and they had said they had major modern reprints planned. If you're so sure about it feel free to join my  that they won't be in Huey block. Losing side bans themselves. I've had one taker so far.
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Jun 15, 2014 05:08
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I drafted a really solid goblin deck and just ran into a loving wall round one against a b/w control deck loaded with Death's-Head Buzzards and Teroh's Faithful. Two of the most frustrating games of my life.
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born on a buy you posted:It'd be incredibly dumb for them not to and they had said they had major modern reprints planned. You might not be aware, but the planning and preparation for printing product happens so far in advance that Wizards can't respond at all to things that are readily apparent even months before a product is released so the demand for fetches and their prices, and all the accompanying grumbling, likely had very little to no impact on whether or not fetches are reprinted in the next couple of sets. This is a very difficult concept for 90% of the MTG Community to comprehend.
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Jun 15, 2014 05:11
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The sets Design is working on right now won't be released for about two and a half years. The behemoth that is Magic talks a long time to respond.
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Elyv posted:Why aren't "My cardboard futures investment fund" and "They're for sure reprinting fetches this time" on the same line, I want a bingo So instead of playing boring standard FNM on Friday and dying to 1000 Pack Rats or broken format-ruining garbage like Sphinx's Revelation, I decided to play legacy. I have Miracles dead in 1 turn to 2 big Goyfs and a Deathrite when what does he topdeck? REST IN PEACE! So now he's on a 6 turn clock from Deathrite Beats if I don't draw an Abrupt Decay, which I don't. So I draw 5 lands, go in for the kill with a topdecked Bloodbraid Elf (cascading into an Abrupt Decay against his empty board because of course it does.) and Dr. Shaman, only to be Snapcaster Swordsed and chumped. So he goes on to win at 1 life because my deck forgets it has creatures or burn spells for the next 10 turns or so. I reminded him to thank his lord and savior Ken Nagle for designing terrible cards like Rest in Peace. Too bad legacy is going to be a totally dead format in the next month or 2, I actually kinda like it, aside from Miracles. Plus I have all this money invested into my legacy cardboard stuff already. Do I win?
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Stinky Pit posted:You might not be aware, but the planning and preparation for printing product happens so far in advance that Wizards can't respond at all to things that are readily apparent even months before a product is released so the demand for fetches and their prices, and all the accompanying grumbling, likely had very little to no impact on whether or not fetches are reprinted in the next couple of sets. The concept that's difficult to understand for people is that you can't just "decide" to put fetch lands in some random set like it has no impact on anything other than Modern prices.
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The Lord of Hats posted:From a mechanical standpoint, it's great. From a practical standpoint of having a bunch of cards that enforce a prolonged physical action, it's miserable and annoying. Yeah the amount of extra shuffling that fetches add to a format is really obnoxious. Incidentally if fetches had been banned Goyf wouldn't completely shut down a huge portion of cards that it makes unplayable and Deathrite Shaman never would have been banned.
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Zorak posted:I was listening to one of the recent MagicTVs and they commented on the possibility and idea that had been put to Wizards to ban the fetches in Modern in order to reduce the sheer amount of shuffling in matches. Is it realistic that it could ever happen? It was realistic, and was the opinion I held, until RTR block was printed. Now Wizards has the option of reprinting fetches, but if they aren't reprinted by next summer banning them is a realistic possibility again.
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Just got home from my FLGS's Conspiracy Drink and Draft. For some reason, I won. HOW THE HELL DID I WIN??? (By being the threat that appeared after the main threat was eliminated.  ):hic:
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:If you're so sure about it feel free to join my That was me prior to a name change. The fetches popularity was completely predicable. The price jump might not have been totally predictable, but it was known "this will be gateway cards to the format." They're the foundation of many modern decks greedy manabases. Same with thoughtseize and mutavault. WOTC may not be the quickest but they're not this slow. If forsythe's statement that WOTC couldn't predict their popularity is anything but smoke screen; they're incredibly dumb.
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Pinwiz11 posted:Just got home from my FLGS's Conspiracy Drink and Draft. For some reason, I won. Yeah always hold your threat until someone makes the mistake of putting theirs down.
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Alex Bertoncini wearing a LiveStrong shirt in his Top8 photo for the SCG invitational. Pro troll.
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Whoever said mono-red Gobbos is a good way to go in VMA draft isn't kidding. First-picked a Lightning Dragon and decided to go red tonight, and slowly went into mono-red as decent picks like Kindles kept coming late. Ended up 3-0ing the draft, even beating a perfect U/G Madness deck in the finals. Most games that I won went like this--build up forces over a few turns, with 1-2 Goblin Generals and 1-2 token generators, then Falter to swing in and finish off with a Fireblast to the face.
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