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I particularly like Reed's first speech to the Illuminati about the incursions, and that it gets repeated by the Reeds of all of the other universes that they have observed.     Until they see the world that they are currently at odds with, where Sun God gave his own speech.  This fake Justice League is great.
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That not-Superman speech was the best possible way they could have said "this is loving Superman okay" because it's perfectly in-character, more so than a lot of actual Superman comics.
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Well I guess Marvel is going to out new 52 DC by having their Ersatz JLA destroy the Marvel Earth. I can dig it.
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I can't help but be hoping Not-JLA succeeds based off these panels, even though I know they won't. e: vvvv 
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WAR FOOT posted:I can't help but be hoping Not-JLA succeeds based off these panels, even though I know they won't. New Avengers #20 Cover which is badass in itself 
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I knew they'd end up killing them. Those dirty sons of bitches. Those super-super herpes aren't even heroes anymore, they're just...self-preserving bullies.
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Dammit Who? posted:Dr. Strange is going to kill them because he just sold his soul for power, hasn't really done anything other than that recently, and will never be in a movie. Soothsayer, tell me how I will perish.
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Man, when Reed Richards has that "that's hosed up" look, you know you've probably crossed some line.
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Drifter posted:I knew they'd end up killing them. Those dirty sons of bitches. Those super-super herpes aren't even heroes anymore, they're just...self-preserving bullies. Heroes have never been anything but self preserving bullies, all the way back to Gilgamesh
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I don't see the Norn / Not-Dr-Fate on that cover getting killed. Could that possibly be a clue? BTW I had a nice talk with Rags Morales at Special Edition NYC, he said that he had a great time designing the Great Society; the symbol on Sun God's chest was inspired by astrological charts. Edit: Just realized the Sun is usually at the center of said charts. Duhhh. Binary Badger fucked around with this message at 06:50 on Jun 15, 2014 |
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Yeah, New Avengers is astonishingly dark and depressing and nihilistic, but it's done SO UTTERLY WELL that it works. It's also not grim or gritty on any kind of base level. It's not hopeless because of cheap shocks, it's large-scale conundrums and can't-win scenarios and the iterative beating down of the heroes' resolve as they exhaust their toolkits. I know DiDio always used to go "it's always darkest before the dawn!" regarding Infinite Crisis and the One Year Later scenario, but the fact that Hickman is simultaneously portraying the dawn in the main Avengers title shows that this is not a tone chosen accidentally or without a great deal of thought.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:New Avengers #20 Cover which is badass in itself Hey man, you don't know. He could be bringing them back to life after Namor smugs at them so hard their skin is blasted from their bones.
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That's the sort of twist I'm expecting from a cover that provocative.
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Surely it has to be Sun God near enough killing himself saving the day because that's what Sun God does, leaving the Illuminati to sheepishly go back to their basement and stew about how sad they've become.
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He would have fit right in over in the Cancerverse, with his unstoppable, uncontrolled life. (I still think "Cthulhuverse" was a better name.)
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Man it's weird how much more I like Superman here. Too bad he's going to absorb a planet destroying bomb's worth of energy and kill himself pushing his planet into a safe location.
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Soylentbits posted:Man it's weird how much more I like Superman here. He's intentionally the most Superman possible, ala All Star, by being an embodiment of hope and heroism. It's pretty cool  .Soylentbits posted:Too bad he's going to absorb a planet destroying bomb's worth of energy and kill himself pushing his planet into a safe location. 
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I hope that there will be a panel of him, as he hurtles himself towards whatever to save everybody, whispering "suuuuuuperman..."
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redbackground posted:I hope that there will be a panel of him, as he hurtles himself towards whatever to save everybody, whispering "suuuuuuperman..." "He was a hero." "No. He was just a man. A great man. A super man." Wink. "That was the worst eulogy."
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Soylentbits posted:Man it's weird how much more I like Superman here. Too bad he's going to absorb a planet destroying bomb's worth of energy and kill himself pushing his planet into a safe location. Moving the Earth is cheating. 
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First Bass posted:Moving the Earth is cheating. Naw the JLA shove it into new positions all the time   Can't remember the issue numbers
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Don't know exactly what issue of Saga these are from (I have the trades on Comixology and I wasn't keeping track, plus these aren't my scans), but holy loving poo poo:   The Will confirmed best character
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SALT CURES HAM posted:Don't know exactly what issue of Saga these are from (I have the trades on Comixology and I wasn't keeping track, plus these aren't my scans), but holy loving poo poo: That's from the first trade, I think it's around issue 3 or 4.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:New Avengers #20 Cover which is badass in itself For all the crap the rest of them get people should really remember that Dr. Strange probably the worst person in the Illuminati, his pre-origin story is basically a solid decade of looking dying people in the eye and saying "gently caress you, I want another Benz that I'm not even going to drive."
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Sorry, being a weapons manufacturer is way worse. At least Strange occasionally saved lives while being a raging prick.
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SALT CURES HAM posted:Don't know exactly what issue of Saga these are from (I have the trades on Comixology and I wasn't keeping track, plus these aren't my scans), but holy loving poo poo: This was roughly the point I realized that I would be reading Saga indefinately. Like, yes, it's fairly cheap emotional string-tugging. Cheap emotional string-tugging can still be incredibly satisfying.
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SirDan3k posted:For all the crap the rest of them get people should really remember that Dr. Strange probably the worst person in the Illuminati, his pre-origin story is basically a solid decade of looking dying people in the eye and saying "gently caress you, I want another Benz that I'm not even going to drive." Reminder that Reed Richards is in the Illuminati.
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zoux posted:Reminder that Reed Richards is in the Illuminati. And Namor. How many civilians must have died during his semiannual invasions of the surface world?
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SALT CURES HAM posted:The Will confirmed best character
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redbackground posted:Does he actually murder children? Maybe, but he sure as poo poo ain't gonna gently caress one.
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Unless you're Steve Rogers, your superhero origin is going to include "used to be an rear end in a top hat"
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Opopanax posted:Unless you're Steve Rogers, your superhero origin is going to include "used to be an rear end in a top hat" Steve Rogers was cool with a 13 year old running around with him in WWII, he was kind of an rear end in a top hat. Plus he doesn't even know what myspace is?
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Hey, 16 year old, it's all good. I have no defense for the myspace thing though
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Lurdiak posted:Sorry, being a weapons manufacturer is way worse. At least Strange occasionally saved lives while being a raging prick. Tony was killing numbers on a board, Namor is mentally ill, Reed is just a know it all jerk. Dr. Strange looked people in the eye as he crushed the last hope they had in the world and then went skiing, that's the kinda cold that sets your path to redemption as fighting primordial evils and multiuniversal threats then jobbing for decades.
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I always thought Tony was supposed to be naively cavalier in his pre-Iron Man days, where he makes weapons because it's fun and hey, good guys need weapons to blow up bad guys so let the hippies whine about it if they want. His origin story seems to focus on opening his eyes to the reality of the weapons manufacturing industry and what his business was actually up to. Is that the right read, or does it depend on who's writing the backstory this time?
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Dolash posted:I always thought Tony was supposed to be naively cavalier in his pre-Iron Man days, where he makes weapons because it's fun and hey, good guys need weapons to blow up bad guys so let the hippies whine about it if they want. His origin story seems to focus on opening his eyes to the reality of the weapons manufacturing industry and what his business was actually up to. Is that the right read, or does it depend on who's writing the backstory this time? I don't know if he made weapons because it was fun, but he was definitely a playboy who was born into an industrialist family. You could make a case that he'd never had any tough problems until Wong-Chu got ahold of him.
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SirDan3k posted:For all the crap the rest of them get people should really remember that Dr. Strange probably the worst person in the Illuminati, his pre-origin story is basically a solid decade of looking dying people in the eye and saying "gently caress you, I want another Benz that I'm not even going to drive." Yeah, now after his training he can finally move up from the Benzes and be all about the Lambos.  New Avengers #31
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