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Pablo Bluth posted:I notice the the winners of the inaugural USA Landscape Photographer of the Year were announced a couple of weeks ago. What does everyone make of the winners? Not sure I'm entirely convinced by the processing of the overall winners. Wow, those are pretty retarded. A couple of the "highly commended" ones are neat, but drat.
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Jun 14, 2014 20:56
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8th-snype posted:Formulaic, soulless, pretty, junk. It's all from the school of "stick a colorful thing in front of a wide angle lens and a dramatic thing in the background". Most of it is sloppy and poorly composed with post processing that ruins any sembleance of contrast or interest. They look like Thomas Kinkade paintings.
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Jun 14, 2014 22:05
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The Judge's Choice one with the person on the sand dunes is an interesting image.
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Jun 14, 2014 22:54
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I feel like a dumbass asking this, but why are those considered crap? I don't like them personally because they seem completely unrealistic; I can't go to those places and see a view identical/very similar to the photo, it seems really fake and contrived and artificial. At that point you may as well photoshop a composite of multiple images together to create a scene that doesn't exist in the real world at all. But what makes them lovely from a non-layman's point of view?
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Slavvy posted:I feel like a dumbass asking this, but why are those considered crap? I don't like them personally because they seem completely unrealistic; I can't go to those places and see a view identical/very similar to the photo, it seems really fake and contrived and artificial. At that point you may as well photoshop a composite of multiple images together to create a scene that doesn't exist in the real world at all. But what makes them lovely from a non-layman's point of view? You pretty much answered your own question
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Jun 15, 2014 00:01
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I guess it depends if you find it more artistic to capture a scene exactly how it is, or to make it a little more surreal by adding your own flair (I hate using that word). Some artists would consider it amateur to simply capture a scene realistically. I do think that compiling several images into one is sorta "cheating" and that many of the compositions are formulaic, but I'd be proud to have taken any of those photos. 
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If you want nothing more from photography than 100% faithful reproductions of a scene, open a newspaper. That said, I like to think that there was some process of artistic expression at work in making the photos displayed on that page. Working with that assumption, the winning photographers might have seen something more in those scenes than merely what was there, but the descriptions of the winning works don't provide any good insights into what their visions were. Even so, I can kind of infer what a lot of those images were trying to express, so I'm hesitant to call them complete crap. As has already been noted, there are even a couple of brilliant pictures on that page, and they stand on their own even if they didn't take first place. There's plenty of room in creative photography for contrivance, artificiality, modification, and deception. Knowing how to use them well is the mark of a master. It's rare to encounter work on that level. We can usually point out those works that fall short without much difficulty, because they suck. It's silly to say things like "I can't go to those places and see a view identical/very similar to the photo," though, because there is no requirement that a photograph be honest. If the notion of being lied to through pictures still bothers you, see the first line of this post. TheJeffers fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Jun 15, 2014 |
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Jun 15, 2014 00:47
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It's not a question of being lied to, it's a question of how far do you push the sliders before it's creatively flat. Obviously someone likes that junk because it keeps winning contests but it's like pop music, sells a lot of copies but no one remembers it 5 years down the road because they've all moved on to the next big thing.
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 split by ian.mrozewski, on Flickr path by ian.mrozewski, on Flickr marine drive construction by ian.mrozewski, on Flickr ash park by ian.mrozewski, on Flickr ocean traffic by ian.mrozewski, on Flickr
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Jun 15, 2014 05:17
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it's not the lack of realism that bothers me but the lack of substance. There are a few really well done compositions on that page but stuff seems to lean heavily on the crutch of putting something shiny in the photo and hoping that we don't notice that it doesn't actually say anything. They just feel empty but not in a deliberate way, more like someone just following a check box of what will look cool on the wall at their dentist's office.
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Jun 15, 2014 05:59
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8th-snype posted:it's not the lack of realism that bothers me but the lack of substance. There are a few really well done compositions on that page but stuff seems to lean heavily on the crutch of putting something shiny in the photo and hoping that we don't notice that it doesn't actually say anything. They just feel empty but not in a deliberate way, more like someone just following a check box of what will look cool on the wall at their dentist's office. This might as well be a discussion on breast implants.
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Jun 15, 2014 08:41
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small town, oregon IMG_5670 by s-bothun, on Flickr IMG_5682 by s-bothun, on Flickrreal nap shit fucked around with this message at 09:27 on Dec 1, 2020 |
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Jun 15, 2014 09:23
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Jun 15, 2014 09:29
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mayor depression posted:small town, oregon A statement I agree with, followed by: alkanphel posted:
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There is no such thing as "captured exactly as it is" though. The photographer makes many choices in how they compose the photo, what they include, what they leave out, what they give prominence to etc. Even if those choices are largely subconscious the idea that photography is always a direct record of reality or objectively truthful is a myth. imo. deaders fucked around with this message at 11:13 on Jun 15, 2014 |
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deaders posted:There is no such thing as "captured exactly as it is" though. The photographer makes many choices in how they compose the photo, what they include, what they leave out, what they give prominence to etc. Even if those choices are largely subconscious the idea that photography is always a direct record of reality or objectively truthful is a myth. To be clear I was not arguing this. I took "capturing a scene realistically" to simply mean that the objects that were in front of the camera at the time the photo was taken are what appear in the photo, rendered plainly and honestly, through the photographer's viewfinder - ie. the composition that they chose appropriate for what they wanted the picture to look like for their needs or for what they wanted to convey. I think I was really speaking more in re: to crazy post processing to "surrealize" a lovely picture or combining a bunch of different exposures to make a single image larger than life - which I suppose there's no harm doing if you're not trying to pass it off like you're not doing that - it's just not really my cup of tea and I tend to think less of both the picture itself and the photographer that did it. real nap shit fucked around with this message at 11:42 on Jun 15, 2014 |
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Oh right you were talking more about post production, nvm.
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IanTheM posted:This might as well be a discussion on breast implants. haha what?
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None of the photos we're discussing are surreal or appear to have had any aspirations of being surreal. Exaggerating aspects of the scene through post-processing isn't necessarily surrealism, either, it's just exaggeration (or subduing, as the case may be.) The notion that we have to render objects in front of the lens as they are, moderated only by inclusive and exclusive decisions of composition, is a stylistic choice, not a rule. If that works for your particular creative vision, then by all means, use it. The act of composition is merely one tool in the creative process, not the terminal point. Personally, I don't care what an artist does to their picture so long as it expresses their particular vision. Whether that vision is interesting, trite, moving, cliche, or stupid is another issue, but I don't care much about their methodology. I only care whether they expressed their idea well in the finished work and that that idea resonates with me.
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Extensive post-work doesn't bother me as a rule; there are many photos that I love that are heavily manipulated. What bothers me about those particular photos is that they don't achieve, or even attempt to achieve, anything more than prettiness. They function only as decoration, like as 8th-snype said, suitable for hanging in a dentist's office or using as a desktop wallpaper. I acknowledge that there is room for decorative art in the world, but why it bothers me in this context is that it's presented as something more than it is. It's as though the photographers and judges are unaware of the developments in photography of the past 40 years. I see the same thing in music all the time. Seriously, go check out the list of winners of the Pulitzer Prize for Music for the past 20 years and try not to gag at most of them.
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I think we can all agree that photo contests suck.
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Go look at flickr explore for the same experience.
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deaders posted:Go look at PAD/street thread for the same lovely experience. 
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Or most of this thread
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Speaking of lovely photos: Faceing East, Portland by Ashade76, on FlickrWent on a 7mile hike around Forrest Park, ended up seeing this.
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What bugs me the most is that waterfall picture that won one of the categories, done by the guy that gone runner up, looks like the horizon is off by like five degrees and it's making me hate it.
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I am very sad, went on a solo hike yesterday with such gorgeous views, but all the pictures came out horribly exposed and with focus problems because I was really tired and in pain & also extremely pressed for time. 20140614-Panorama east view from Pochoco by MedievalMedic, on Flickr 20140614-Panorama north view from Pachoco by MedievalMedic, on Flickr 20140614-Panorama east view from Lomo de la Vaca by MedievalMedic, on Flickr 20140614-Panorama west-south-west view from Lomo de la Vaca by MedievalMedic, on Flickr
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Jun 15, 2014 19:00
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MrBlandAverage posted:
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quote:I travelled to Manhattan with the goal of taking an original picture. One morning whilst using a fisheye lens for street photography I came across the iconic Apple store on 5th Avenue. quote:original picture. Apple store on 5th Avenue. https://www.flickr.com/search/?q=apple%20store%20nyc <-- scrolled for ten seconds and saw 14 photos just like that dude's photo
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Please don't hack shame
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HookShot posted:What bugs me the most is that waterfall picture that won one of the categories, done by the guy that gone runner up, looks like the horizon is off by like five degrees and it's making me hate it. Plus, dude talks about himself in third person.
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