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Quick question. My ruler in Ireland died leaving his 6-year-old son as his heir. Do I still need to send him to be educated so that he'll develop stats and things or will having his mother as Regent be essentially the same thing as an education?
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Jun 14, 2014 19:34
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Balls, I think I shall try and find a way for him to kick the bucket then... Thanks for the info!Chaotic Flame posted:Quick question. My ruler in Ireland died leaving his 6-year-old son as his heir. Do I still need to send him to be educated so that he'll develop stats and things or will having his mother as Regent be essentially the same thing as an education? I think you still need to get him educated. Thats what I do anyway!
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Jun 14, 2014 19:35
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Chaotic Flame posted:Quick question. My ruler in Ireland died leaving his 6-year-old son as his heir. Do I still need to send him to be educated so that he'll develop stats and things or will having his mother as Regent be essentially the same thing as an education? Those are two separate things. I think they will still develop stats and traits with no education, but not as well as he would if he had a half decent tutor.
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Jun 14, 2014 19:36
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Pogue_Mahone posted:Balls, I think I shall try and find a way for him to kick the bucket then... Thanks for the info! His claim on Scotland will most likely die with him. Remember that most problems in CK2 can be solved by stabbing.
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Jun 14, 2014 19:40
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Torrannor posted:His claim on Scotland will most likely die with him. Remember that most problems in CK2 can be solved by stabbing. He's already pressed the claim in a war though, so it likely will be inherited.
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Jun 14, 2014 19:42
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marktheando posted:Those are two separate things. I think they will still develop stats and traits with no education, but not as well as he would if he had a half decent tutor. Since I'm playing as my heir though, assigning his mother as his tutor won't give me the popups (events?) to decide on traits, right? I guess I'll start looking for a tutor with good stats.
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Jun 14, 2014 20:25
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Chaotic Flame posted:Since I'm playing as my heir though, assigning his mother as his tutor won't give me the popups (events?) to decide on traits, right? I guess I'll start looking for a tutor with good stats. You will get the education events from the child's POV. So yeah get a tutor with good stats/traits.
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Jun 14, 2014 20:33
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I didn't really pay much attention when the "Rise of the Shia" event fired in my Brunswick/Germany game, but man did the shia rise in a big way.  Thats in the year 951 and its a good 20k men more than the next largest army (the Ummayids in Spain) and about 30k more than the Abbasids. Good thing I'm in northern europe.
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Jun 14, 2014 21:39
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MrBling posted:I didn't really pay much attention when the "Rise of the Shia" event fired in my Brunswick/Germany game, but man did the shia rise in a big way. I had them spawn with 1.2million troops (4x all my levies/retinues) in one of my kingdoms in around 1350, not very nice.
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Jun 14, 2014 21:42
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Torrannor posted:His claim on Scotland will most likely die with him. Remember that most problems in CK2 can be solved by stabbing. He became the King of Scotland, but as soon as that happened I declared war on him with my CB for the counties he took from my kingdom. I kicked his arse. Now Scotland is going pretty badly, they keep getting revolts, so hoping to poach a few of the counties for myself until I can usurp the title for the kingdom! Hurrah. I am learning to not give up on games when I think it may be going awry. Always some intrigue to keep the game going.
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Jun 14, 2014 22:44
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Pogue_Mahone posted:He became the King of Scotland, but as soon as that happened I declared war on him with my CB for the counties he took from my kingdom. I kicked his arse. Now Scotland is going pretty badly, they keep getting revolts, so hoping to poach a few of the counties for myself until I can usurp the title for the kingdom! Hurrah. I am learning to not give up on games when I think it may be going awry. Always some intrigue to keep the game going. If you haven't been playing CK2 for a long while, note that they change usurping quite a bit. You cannot usurp a title if the title holder still holds at least one de jure county of the title. So you can only revoke Scotland once the Scottish king holds no county of de jure Scotland any more.
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Jun 14, 2014 22:48
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Torrannor posted:If you haven't been playing CK2 for a long while, note that they change usurping quite a bit. You cannot usurp a title if the title holder still holds at least one de jure county of the title. So you can only revoke Scotland once the Scottish king holds no county of de jure Scotland any more. This is only the case if you're trying to usurp a title held by somebody of another religion.
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Jun 14, 2014 23:09
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Shadeoses posted:Has anyone seen the AI expand into/out of India? For whatever reason the border along Persia seems pretty stable. In my ongoing "The Ivarings go Welsh and take over all of Europe with longbow retinues" game the Prathihara empire has expanded quite far into Persia, even though the Saffarids and the Seljuks still control a lot of territory in the de jure empire. On a related note, is there a religious requirement to holding the Byzantine Empire? I kind of want to do what some people suggested and switch to the Byzantine Empire so I can recreate the Roman Empire, but on the other hand my Empire of Prydain is just looking so nice at the moment.
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Jun 15, 2014 04:18
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Ratpick posted:In my ongoing "The Ivarings go Welsh and take over all of Europe with longbow retinues" game the Prathihara empire has expanded quite far into Persia, even though the Saffarids and the Seljuks still control a lot of territory in the de jure empire. You must be Orthodox to create the Byzantine Empire and Christian to restore the Roman Empire. However, any religion can usurp the Byzantine/Roman Empire if it's been created.
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Jun 15, 2014 04:26
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Civilized Fishbot posted:You must be Orthodox to create the Byzantine Empire and Christian to restore the Roman Empire. However, any religion can usurp the Byzantine/Roman Empire if it's been created. Alright, so I can just usurp it as Norse provided the current holder of the title (a Christian) doesn't hold any land within it, and then convert to Christianity in order to restore the Roman Empire? Sounds easy enough, might as well do it then.
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Jun 15, 2014 04:29
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Ratpick posted:Alright, so I can just usurp it as Norse provided the current holder of the title (a Christian) doesn't hold any land within it, and then convert to Christianity in order to restore the Roman Empire? Sounds easy enough, might as well do it then. It does sound easy enough, but often the Byzantines don't have land outside the de jure empire, especially if you've whooped them down enough to usurp. Also remember Christian could mean orthodox or any heresy of orthodoxy/Catholicism.
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Jun 15, 2014 08:29
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In my current game, King Francesco of Africa is the luckiest man alive. See, I'm rolling around painting the map a nice shade of Andalusian green as the Falkyir when I decide to turn my attention towards Italy around 963. This is improtant becuase in 960, the gentleman above, King Francesco of Africa, was also the king of Italy and turned Cathar. A year later, his firstborn, Prince Amonse, deposes him from the throne of Italy. Francesco flees to Tunisia and licks his wounds, probably bitter about the whole deal. Then I suck up Lombardy in a holy war. Truce is set, I turn and go punch some Germans around for duchies while I wait for the truce to end. But the freshly minted King of Italy decides hes the new DEFENDER OF THE FAITH and joins the defense for a single county. He rolls up behind me while I'm burning down Koln and I drop my army on him. I'm playing with HIP and the duel event fires. My foe is Amonse, King of Italy. He had a pitiful diplomatic education and 4 in martial vs my Strong Brave Viking Berserker with Brilliant Strategist. It's pretty obvious by this point that he died there. That frees up Italy for another Holy War so I go mulch another duchy off them. And realize the next guy has no intrigue. So I throw him off a cliff. Then the next guy gets blown up. And so on and so on until my body count is 15 kings, including one I sacrificed at a blot, and one kingdom of Italy reduced to 3 counties scattered between the German kingdoms. This whole time, Old Francesco of Africa is still kicking, probably laughing and thanking his dead god that he got deposed when he did. 
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Jun 15, 2014 09:53
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Tsyni posted:It does sound easy enough, but often the Byzantines don't have land outside the de jure empire, especially if you've whooped them down enough to usurp. Also remember Christian could mean orthodox or any heresy of orthodoxy/Catholicism. Yeah, I've already been able to beat back the Byzantines pretty well via Holy Warring and then stabbing the current Basileos to get rid of the truce. Currently they only hold land in Georgia, although they still have a few vassals in Anatolia, Greece and Bulgaria. I used my last Great Holy War to get Italy and I'm not sure when the timer is going to reset, so I might as well keep doing what I'm doing at the moment to finish them off. Also, while this was going on, I managed to press a claim I had on Cumania for some strange reason, meaning that my Empire is kind of all over the place at the moment.
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Jun 15, 2014 13:36
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Best way to claim the Byzantine empire is to marry a daughter of the basilious and press your sons claim once your him.
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Jun 15, 2014 13:51
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Rumda posted:Best way to claim the Byzantine empire is to marry a daughter of the basilious and press your sons claim once your him. But as a Norse you will have to get lucky with your raids to take the emperor's daughter as a concubine, because you won't be able to marry her normally.
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Jun 15, 2014 13:57
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Torrannor posted:But as a Norse you will have to get lucky with your raids to take the emperor's daughter as a concubine, because you won't be able to marry her normally. You should be raiding Constantinople constantly any way the odds don't matter when you constantly kicking down her door.
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Jun 15, 2014 14:07
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drat those new usurp title mechanics. I had the whole kingdom of Jerusalem except one de-jure province. So I used conquest CB on it and won. I though I would get the title, but I didnt. Instead, it seems like it is gone  I suppose its impossible to recreate it as a muslin, right? EDIT: oh Allah, it seems like my current ruler can only father daughters. It has been 5 in a row now (from 3 different wives), no sons yet. What can I do?? Elias_Maluco fucked around with this message at 15:02 on Jun 15, 2014 |
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Jun 15, 2014 14:39
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Anyone know if the new beta is HIP-compatible? I'm guessing no but I figured I should ask since 6 month autosaves on my ironman game would be a godsend.
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Jun 15, 2014 14:39
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Elias_Maluco posted:drat those new usurp title mechanics. I had the whole kingdom of Jerusalem except one de-jure province. So I used conquest CB on it and won. I though I would get the title, but I didnt. Instead, it seems like it is gone You need to be Christian to form Jerusalem (or Jewish, obvs.) Only thing you can do is set the "have a boy" ambition for increased fertility and then hope for the best.
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Jun 15, 2014 16:18
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Elias_Maluco posted:drat those new usurp title mechanics. I had the whole kingdom of Jerusalem except one de-jure province. So I used conquest CB on it and won. I though I would get the title, but I didnt. Instead, it seems like it is gone As the poster above me said, you need to be Christian or Jewish to do anything with the kingdom of Jerusalem. And I'm not sure but I think you also cannot usurp it as well.
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Jun 15, 2014 16:26
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It's nice having your sister married to the King of England when you decide enough is enough and the entirety of Ireland should be yours. So, what if the enemy has 5 available alliances. The King of England's got my back! Also, during the conquest of Ireland I had a bastard son between wives and then a trueborn son a year later after having five daughters. It's a good time to be Alcuin, First of his name, and King of Ireland.
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Jun 15, 2014 17:11
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Who is closest to Attila the Hun in the 867 start? Any descendants or land owners of the same culture as him?
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Jun 15, 2014 17:48
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Bitter Mushroom posted:Who is closest to Attila the Hun in the 867 start? Any descendants or land owners of the same culture as him? Magyars. They don't count as Altaic culture, but they're an Altaic tribe, and they get a ton of event troops for kickstarting a massive Tartar invasion.
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Jun 15, 2014 17:50
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Ugh, I really should've waited to secure all the Duchies necessary to create the Roman Empire before usurping the Byzantine Empire and converting to Orthodox. Now I'm stuck with a faith that is at 0% MA and already had my first heretic rebellion. Oh well, at least I'm only missing Alexandria, Tunisia and Antioch, and I control almost all of Antioch already, so shouldn't be too difficult.
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Jun 15, 2014 17:55
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Do I lose any of the cool Norse abilities if I reform the faith? Like can I still raid people and send boats down rivers, and use conquest casus belli?
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Jun 15, 2014 18:12
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Parallax Scroll posted:Do I lose any of the cool Norse abilities if I reform the faith? Like can I still raid people and send boats down rivers, and use conquest casus belli? Unless you're playing with a mod you shouldn't lose anything (maybe the conquest CB, I'm not 100% sure on this one) and even gain the ability to call Norse crusades.
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Jun 15, 2014 18:15
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The major thing you lose is the bonus to retinues and the fact that you don't get a vassal levies raised penalty.
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Jun 15, 2014 18:17
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nutranurse posted:Unless you're playing with a mod you shouldn't lose anything (maybe the conquest CB, I'm not 100% sure on this one) and even gain the ability to call Norse crusades. You lose defensive attrition but other than that I don't think there's anything. The ability to sail in rivers seems to go away over time regardless of whether or not you reform for some reason.
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Jun 15, 2014 18:17
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nutranurse posted:Unless you're playing with a mod you shouldn't lose anything (maybe the conquest CB, I'm not 100% sure on this one) and even gain the ability to call Norse crusades. Nice. I figured I wasn't going to be able to reform the faith since I started way over at Kiev with King Dyre, but I managed to subjugate Denmark, which had already conquered 60% of Norway and held all of that under the Danish crown. After vassalizing the rest of Norway I'm at 2 holy sites already. Getting a third in Dyre's lifetime should be a cinch.
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Jun 15, 2014 18:35
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The Cheshire Cat posted:You lose defensive attrition but other than that I don't think there's anything. The ability to sail in rivers seems to go away over time regardless of whether or not you reform for some reason. I'm pretty sure river movement is blocked by forts.
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Jun 15, 2014 18:37
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Muslim rulers are a tough fight and they seem to be more likely to join on the defenders side in a holy war than the Christian rulers are. Is there any special way I as a Jewish ruler can manipulate decadence so they have revolts? Also it'd be nice if there was an intrigue option for me to make it look like another ruler did something. For example if I could frame the king of Georgia for trying to assassinate the Byzantine Emperor.
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Jun 15, 2014 18:43
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nutranurse posted:Unless you're playing with a mod you shouldn't lose anything (maybe the conquest CB, I'm not 100% sure on this one) and even gain the ability to call Norse crusades. You lose: Subjugation. (Probably aren't many other pagans left once you reform the religion anyway.) You gain: The regular Holy War CB and Great Holy Wars (unless you lose the Fylkir title somehow). You keep: County Conquest.
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Jun 15, 2014 18:44
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The Cheshire Cat posted:You lose defensive attrition but other than that I don't think there's anything. The ability to sail in rivers seems to go away over time regardless of whether or not you reform for some reason. You gradually lose the ability to travel rivers as the provinces adjacent to them have their holdings upgraded by the owners. This is supposed to represent your victims gradually building fortified bridges and the like to keep Vikings from sailing up the rivers unopposed. Gameplay wise It's also so that non-Viking players are able stop them eventually. If you control the provinces next to the river you can still sail up them though, even if they're fortified. Talky fucked around with this message at 18:48 on Jun 15, 2014 |
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Jun 15, 2014 18:45
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Darth Various posted:You lose: Subjugation. (Probably aren't many other pagans left once you reform the religion anyway.) Yeah, losing subjugation is not that much of a blow once you reform as the pagans you used to subjugate are now heretics you can holy war to death.
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Jun 15, 2014 18:46
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The Mighty Biscuit posted:In my current game, King Francesco of Africa is the luckiest man alive. It must be something to do with Italy. I'm coming to the end of my Jewish Khazar super-empire game and around 1240 I started pushing hard into Italy. I smashed the King, killed him, and took a province off his child daughter. However, the daughter died sickly before the war ended and the throne passed to the old king's sister, Agnes, who had been married to some noble in Toulouse. This meant I had a ten year truce with Queen Agnes, and as there were Italian revolts and the last of the Asturians to mop up and chunks to carve off the Byzantines and HRE, I had no particular need to stab her. Agnes went on to be the last Queen of Italy. She reigned for 47 years and earned the title "the Great". She died a few days before I took the last county I needed to usurp her crown, aged 80 and with the ambition to improve her Martial score.
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