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Arkane posted:Repeating the same made up thing that the other dude said with different words does not codify it into a fact. Ok, let it be known for the record that forums poster Arkane does not agree with said statements about the general anger of white americans regarding the uppityness of black americans, and he is unwilling to elaborate at the present time. We can move forward with the thread with this knowledge close to heart.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:There are more than enough examples of white people freaking out about Obama because he is a So we've downgraded from "most" to "huge" and now "more than enough examples." Next up on the list is "a few scattered examples over the years." Them goal posts: they move so fast. Popular Thug Drink posted:Neither of these are all that unlikely nor incomprehensible, instead of trying to demonstrate why your jimmies are rustled you just assert that the people who said it are dumb and illogical. Great thanks good contribution, I'd like to remind you all that Arkane is a famously limp dicked poster who contributes to that constellation of dead forums dedicated to being angry and upset that SA isn't their own personal hugbox and yet isn't smart enough to get a new alt account or simply stop posting here. I do what? Any interest in a Toxx bet on that? Literally all of your arguments so far in this string of posts are based on things you are just making up.
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The last poll I saw on this reported 17% of registered voters believed Obama is Muslim. Oddly, a majority of that 17% were okay with it. Of course I saw another poll which found that a tiny minority of Americans believe Obama is the Antichrist, including some people who voted for him. Which means there's people who voted for (in their minds) the Antichrist. Well, in any case I don't think you can really say with certainty that half the United States has intense hatred for the president because he's black. I think you all are reading too many unhinged right-wingers who are relatively few in number but are magnified by the internet and by the media.
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Arkane posted:So we've downgraded from "most" to "huge" and now "more than enough examples."
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Omi-Polari posted:The last poll I saw on this reported 17% of registered voters believed Obama is Muslim. Oddly, a majority of that 17% were okay with it. Of course I saw another poll which found that a tiny minority of Americans believe Obama is the Antichrist, including some people who voted for him. Which means there's people who voted for (in their minds) the Antichrist. What people say about whether or not they are racist is just about worthless. e: I do agree with you though, I don't think anywhere close to half of Americans hate Obama. A large number fear all blacks though, and though some of them would call Obama "one of the good ones" they will always believe his loyalty is first and foremost to blacks, because their loyalty is first and foremost to whites. woke wedding drone fucked around with this message at 07:23 on Jun 16, 2014 |
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SedanChair posted:Arkane you are a person who has literally chosen to serve evil. Real talk, get help.
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"Take me seriously and argue with me or you have mental problems" --literally Arkane e: I'm not expecting you to admit it, I just thought it was worth saying. You are like the Reader's Digest version of right wing poison and it gets a little old sometimes. "But Clinton" yeah, indeed. But Clinton. Clinton, for whom the worst they could come up with was that his wife was a feminist, he was a womanizer and liar and his daughter was ugly. Truly this is anything like what Obama has faced. woke wedding drone fucked around with this message at 07:30 on Jun 16, 2014 |
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Omi-Polari posted:Well we live in a highly polarized political environment. For the right, everything Democrats do is further proof there's a communist-in-chief who is taking one step towards a New World Order. For the left, everything Republicans do is further proof of the brownshirt menace on the march, once again. It's Red Scare/Brown Scare. Sure there are a lot of crazies, but I think most Americans are pretty reasonable folks. I don't think the team thing quite works here, because with an approval rating in the low 40s, there's a lot more liberal dislike of Obama than this thread lets on, and it's definitely not driven by racism. The first black President is also a greatly disliked President, and there are a lot of reasons for that.
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Arkane posted:Republicans HATED Clinton with a passion. Think of the famous conservative voices: pretty much all of them achieved incredible popularity hating on Clinton. Limbaugh, Hannity, Drudge, Coulter. Fox News started during Clinton's presidency. On and on. You could mayyyyyyybe convince me that the incessant clamoring to impeach Obama no matter what he does isn't racist...like, if I were really high, I might nod along and go "yeah they did impeach Clinton over a blowjob so sure maybe Republicans are just huge tantrum-throwing babies no matter the color of a Democratic President." I mean, okay. But you will never, ever convince me that birtherism isn't racist, because that's pure stubborn, resolute refusal to accept him as a Real American based on nothing more than the color of his skin and his scary-sounding name. And considering there are elected, sitting members of Congress who yet refuse to admit Obama is the legitimate President, I'm going to have to say yeah, white people are still pretty racist.
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SedanChair posted:e: I do agree with you though, I don't think anywhere close to half of Americans hate Obama. A large number fear all blacks though, and though some of them would call Obama "one of the good ones" they will always believe his loyalty is first and foremost to blacks, because their loyalty is first and foremost to whites. VitalSigns posted:You could mayyyyyyybe convince me that the incessant clamoring to impeach Obama no matter what he does isn't racist...like, if I were really high, I might nod along and go "yeah they did impeach Clinton over a blowjob so sure maybe Republicans are just huge tantrum-throwing babies no matter the color of a Democratic President." I mean, okay. BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 07:31 on Jun 16, 2014 |
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Arkane posted:I don't think the team thing quite works here, because with an approval rating in the low 40s, there's a lot more liberal dislike of Obama than this thread lets on, and it's definitely not driven by racism. The first black President is also a greatly disliked President, and there are a lot of reasons for that. "A lot more liberal dislike of Obama than this thread lets on" oh cool keep invoking groupthink for why your opinions are unpopular. It's surely not because of your personal inability/unwillingness to substantiate your bad ideas! There are many reasons to disapprove of Obama's presidency. A large portion of why the right dislikes Obama is because he is black, because politically right people in the USA tend to distrust and dislike blah people. This is not a controversial statement, sorry if it triggers your latent white problems or whatever. It's possible that Arkane lives in a state of childlike naivete where he has not personally encountered any of these people. As someone who has regular contact with blue collar white middle Americans, it's pretty much a given that they really hate him for reasons they can't quite articulate but he's a Bad President and also they don't trust black people in general. If you do happen to live in that blessed social bubble untroubled by contemporary racial politics I'd hate to sully you but yeah dude simply registering your outrage in a public forum isn't going to be compelling, congrats on pissing into the wind or whatever it is you feel like you're accomplishing here. boner confessor fucked around with this message at 07:35 on Jun 16, 2014 |
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VitalSigns posted:But you will never, ever convince me that birtherism isn't racist, because that's pure stubborn, resolute refusal to accept him as a Real American based on nothing more than the color of his skin and his scary-sounding name. And considering there are elected, sitting members of Congress who yet refuse to admit Obama is the legitimate President, I'm going to have to say yeah, white people are still pretty racist. I agree to an extent, but I speculatively think a sizable percentage of those would be equally vitriolic about a white candidate of uncertain birth status. And what if the shoe were on the other foot? Colin Powell born in Hawaii, for instance, to a non-American father. Would there have been a birther movement for the Democrats? Probably nowhere as big, but it's within reason that it would exist. I think there is a tendency to view things in a polarizing fashion. The two parties hate each other. A lot of disgust for Politician A is based on that decades-long hatred, and not because of the color of the politician's skin. That can't be said for everyone, racism still exists (poo poo there was a minority of Dem voters in 2008 who voted for Hillary based on race, per polling) but dressing up ALL or MOST disgust for Politician A because of race is baseless.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:A large portion of why the right dislikes Obama is because he is black, because politically right people in the USA tend to distrust and dislike blah people. This is not a controversial statement, sorry if it triggers your latent white problems or whatever. Is there someone from Guinness watching this thread that I'm unaware of? How many times are you going to repeat the same bullshit line over and over? Popular Thug Drink posted:As someone who has regular contact with blue collar white middle Americans, it's pretty much a given that they really hate him for reasons they can't quite articulate but he's a Bad President and also they don't trust black people in general. "I met a bunch of people, trust me on this one guys." You are aware that the economy has been terrible for years? You don't seem to be. Arkane fucked around with this message at 07:40 on Jun 16, 2014 |
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Arkane posted:I agree to an extent, but I speculatively think a sizable percentage of those would be equally vitriolic about a white candidate of uncertain birth status. Like all the times we heard about John McCain's Panamanian birth in 2008? Arkane posted:And what if the shoe were on the other foot? Colin Powell born in Hawaii, for instance, to a non-American father. Would there have been a birther movement for the Democrats? Probably nowhere as big, but it's within reason that it would exist. I guess it's possible it could have happened, even though it didn't. The fact that it was a thing that was possible does not escape me despite the fact that such a thing never happened. Arkane posted:I think there is a tendency to view things in a polarizing fashion. The two parties hate each other. A lot of disgust for Politician A is based on that decades-long hatred, and not because of the color of the politician's skin. That can't be said for everyone, racism still exists (poo poo there was a minority of Dem voters in 2008 who voted for Hillary based on race, per polling) but dressing up ALL or MOST disgust for Politician A because of race is baseless. Sure, maybe they hate him because he's a democrat. One would have to be consciously or unconsciously unaware of the existence of dogwhistle racism, or basic symbolic imagery, or the last hundred years of American racial politics, and I'd like to give you that much credit as a person who can write typo-free English on command. Arkane posted:Is there someone from Guinness watching this thread that I'm unaware of? How many times are you going to repeat the same bullshit line over and over? As many times as it takes for you to understand it, I guess. Repetition is a basic building block of learning after all. Nobody ever learned the alphabet on the first try. boner confessor fucked around with this message at 07:41 on Jun 16, 2014 |
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Really though Arkane I'm kind of jealous that I can't live in your world where racism doesn't exist and isn't a thing that way too many people are open and vocal about. Would you care to swap places with me? I can trade you at least three Obamaphones.
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Arkane posted:I agree to an extent, but I speculatively think a sizable percentage of those would be equally vitriolic about a white candidate of uncertain birth status. Counterpoint: white people. Specifically CPAC "As far as I'm concerned, Canada's not really foreign soil" cuz it's not friend of the family country! Arkane posted:And what if the shoe were on the other foot? Colin Powell born in Hawaii, for instance, to a non-American father. Would there have been a birther movement for the Democrats? Probably nowhere as big, but it's within reason that it would exist. Uh, if this were to happen, wouldn't this prove that white racism is an even bigger problem than this thread suggests, as Democrats made no hay at all over white McCain's birth in Panama? VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 07:54 on Jun 16, 2014 |
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I'm Racist Liberal Obama Hater. "That fukken moon cricket nobama! He wouldn't speak out for a public option--a public option for whites only. And he won't close Gitmo, or close the borders either. Typical Negro Behavior, I'm afraid; sometimes I can hardly believe I voted for him twice." I exist. Because liberal frustration with Obama's policies has anything at all in common with right-wing hatred, which is after all not generated by racism.
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Popular Thug Drink posted:Really though Arkane I'm kind of jealous that I can't live in your world where racism doesn't exist and isn't a thing that way too many people are open and vocal about. Yup I definitely said racism doesn't exist. Arkane posted:That can't be said for everyone, racism still exists (poo poo there was a minority of Dem voters in 2008 who voted for Hillary based on race, per polling) but dressing up ALL or MOST disgust for Politician A because of race is baseless. And FYI, 50 or whatever posts later, it's still baseless! The closest you have come to substantiating it is "I met a bunch of people and they all hate Obama because he's black." Not exactly what you said, but fairly close. I feel bad for you just re-typing that.
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Thanks for replying to Arkane I guess guys. I'm not going to, I've had him on my ignore list for over a year.
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Arkane posted:And FYI, 50 or whatever posts later, it's still baseless! The closest you have come to substantiating it is "I met a bunch of people and they all hate Obama because he's black." Not exactly what you said, but fairly close. I feel bad for you just re-typing that. Okay then, *you* explain why Obama is the president that the republican controlled congress has basically refused to do anything. You explain why Obama is the first president to have a white congressman jump up, and shout 'You lie!' when he sat there for Reagan trying his best to not admit to committing high treason. You explain why Obama is the first president to have a congressman outright come out and say 'Its our job to make sure he's a one term president'. You explain why Obama is so often Hung in effigy, in the manner of lynching and be sure to explain how that's totally not any sort of racism whatsoever, completely disregarding the idea of lynching and how it was basically the go to way of killing black people. E-Tank fucked around with this message at 11:42 on Jun 16, 2014 |
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E-Tank posted:
He said precisely none of those things you dolt. Here I'll help you out, read through this again(or more likely for the first time) and tell me where he said even one of those things. http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3643264&userid=107386 RonMexicosPitbull fucked around with this message at 10:41 on Jun 16, 2014 |
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Omi-Polari posted:Yeah I agree with your second graf. But the impeachment stuff sounds to me like politics as usual for fringy types. Obviously this also ties into the general ideology of the Republican party, so it's really a lot of things feeding into each other. Basically, ready-made and popular prejudices that conform to the ideology of the party, combined with massive polarization, means the stable state of the Republican base is "massive outrage" whenever there's a Democrat president. Being some sort of minority just dials it up a notch further, but it would still be there without it.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:I might be misremembering things I've read in D&D, but didn't the Republicans basically start talking about impeachment from day one of the Clinton presidency? And hate groups/right-wing militias also multiplied during his presidency, like they did after Obama came to power. If I remember right, I think there's an argument to be made that at least some of the reaction to Obama comes from a tribal Democrats vs. Republicans hatred, independent of the color of his skin. The way that hatred is then shown is often through classic racist stereotypes and poo poo, but it's not necessarily the primary cause. Obviously this doesn't mean these people aren't racist, but to some degree I think it can be argued they're primarily extremely anti-Democrat due to the polarized American political landscape. Had Hillary become president, they would just have brought out the anti-woman rhetoric instead. IIRC militia groups actually went down during the Clinton years as a result of a backlash from the Oklahoma bombing. That aside, yes, there's absolutely a trend where a President gets hated simply because he's from the other party, but that doesn't mean there aren't people out there whose dislike of Barack Obama has a racial aspect to it. Railing against Clinton for being unfaithful to his wife is different from lynching an empty chair that's a stand-in for Obama because the former is something that the person actually did. Whether or not the "people who dislike Barack Obama either partially or purely because he is black" figure amounts to less than 50% as the original argument that was made sounds like a lot of semantic quibbling.
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You are correct, I re-read his original post. Though from his mannerisms after said original post, it seems to suggest that's what he believes....But you're right, I shouldn't go trying to stick words in his mouth that he hasn't said yet. My apologies.
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E-Tank posted:Okay then, *you* explain why Obama is the president that the republican controlled congress has basically refused to do anything. Because he is a democrat. If it were Hillary, they would still be saying the same thing. If it were some random white dude, take a wild guess what the republicans would say. But by all means, keep lying to your self and believing that racism and not retarded "they aren't batting for my political team" is why these 3 happen. Edit: The effigy nonsense is most likely done by racist twats. Hope this clarifies.
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Genocide Tendency posted:Because he is a democrat. If it were Hillary, they would still be saying the same thing. If it were some random white dude, take a wild guess what the republicans would say. And the reason that these things didn't happen before with white democratic presidents is because. . . ? And I'm reasonably certain that if Hillary had been elected, they wouldn't be trying to imply she was born in Kenya. E-Tank fucked around with this message at 11:51 on Jun 16, 2014 |
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E-Tank posted:And the reason that these things didn't happen before with white democratic presidents is because. . . ? Right.. Because they didn't cry to impeach Clinton when he got caught lying about a bj from an intern. That never happened............
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gradenko_2000 posted:IIRC militia groups actually went down during the Clinton years as a result of a backlash from the Oklahoma bombing. Yeah, and that's because they were going up steadily during the Clinton years, until one of them did something so crazy that suddenly the rest of them wanted to distance themselves from the movement as quickly as possible.
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People weren't paying attention/were in middle school during the bush years because they hung and burned the gently caress out of him in effigy. Other presidents too. Its practically tradition now.
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Genocide Tendency posted:Right.. Which is not the same thing as the right literally acting like Obama is an uppity drat, the database is giving me issues. I'll have to table this for now.
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gradenko_2000 posted:Whether or not the "people who dislike Barack Obama either partially or purely because he is black" figure amounts to less than 50% as the original argument that was made sounds like a lot of semantic quibbling. Sucrose posted:Yeah, and that's because they were going up steadily during the Clinton years, until one of them did something so crazy that suddenly the rest of them wanted to distance themselves from the movement as quickly as possible. And this was when unemployment was lower, and going steadily down.
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E-Tank posted:Which is not the same thing as the right literally acting like Obama is an uppity Thats not what you pointed out. E-Tank posted:Okay then, *you* explain why Obama is the president that the republican controlled congress has basically refused to do anything. Thats your post I replied to. E-Tank posted:Okay then, *you* explain why Obama is the president that the republican controlled congress has basically refused to do anything. This part is what I addressed specifically. Which I said was a result of him being a democrat. Which it is. I never said he hasn't faced racism while in office, he has. I simply pointed out that those three things are a result of his political affiliation rather than racism.
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Genocide Tendency posted:Because he is a democrat. If it were Hillary, they would still be saying the same thing. If it were some random white dude, take a wild guess what the republicans would say. Hey why does the South in general (and rednecks in other states) hate Democrats and big government so much, anyway? FDR was the biggest big government guy of all and they lovvvvvved him. It seems like a Democrat federal government must have done something really heinous, a total betrayal in the eyes of the South to warrant such hatred and fear. Hmmm, it happened in the 60s...maybe it was Johnson's decision to...........send troops to Vietnam, what do you think?
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A Buttery Pastry posted:I don't think it's semantic quibbling to point out that all of this poo poo with Obama is standard politics in the US, just flavored and (fueled to some degree) by racial hatred. The post that kicked off this whole shebang was: "Just look how insane half the country has gone as a result of Obama's election. Those people aren't reacting to Obama as a politician; they're reacting to the fact that his election seemed (and mostly only seemed) to destabilize the established racial hierarchy." I'm saying just because the number of people reacting to the (perception of) destabilization of racial hierarchy isn't literally "half the country" doesn't mean that there are zero people that reacted to the (perception of) destabilization of racial hierarchy
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VitalSigns posted:Hey why does the South in general (and rednecks in other states) hate Democrats and big government so much, anyway? FDR was the biggest big government guy of all and they lovvvvvved him. Hey, why don't you learn to read? I didn't address rednecks. I didn't address the south. I addressed questions around the republican party and congress's issues when it comes to working with Obama.
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Ogmius815 posted:Yeah if only there were some white democratic presidents to form a basis for comparison... There are definitely racist elements to it (i.e. the whole birther/"foodstamp president" things), but most of it is just run-of-the-mill partisan willingness to believe anything. gradenko_2000 posted:IIRC militia groups actually went down during the Clinton years as a result of a backlash from the Oklahoma bombing.
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gradenko_2000 posted:The post that kicked off this whole shebang was:
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Genocide Tendency posted:Hey, why don't you learn to read? Yeah, why does the Republican party appeal to those groups so much, anyway, when they used to hate the Republicans with a fiery passion? It must be that they share a deep-seated ideological belief in small government, low taxes, and a strong national defense; beliefs that just so happened to align in the 1960's for mysterious and unknowable causes. OneEightHundred posted:Our last president was a white dude from Texas that was accused of orchestrating 9/11 and the biggest election fraud in history. Were those accusations of Bush plotting 9/11 made by sitting, popularly elected congressmen; or by nutjobs on the Internet? VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Jun 16, 2014 |
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VitalSigns posted:Yeah, why does the Republican party appeal to those groups so much, anyway, when they used to hate the Republicans with a fiery passion? What point are you even trying to make? Besides creating some perception of who the gently caress knows what to try and argue against something I'm not even discussing here?
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There are more slaves today then there were before the civil war. Race has nothing to do with it.
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