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Horrible Lurkbeast posted:So just Zou, then. You might be mistaking the general contempt most people in this thread have for the majority of BL writers as being complete talentless hacks who write absolute poo poo for plagiarism. Zou is the only one that flat out copied other works. Most of the other poo poo authors are just bad at prose.
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What are the opinions on the "Kill Team" game? Reviews are bad, but I just want to have a character in power armor going ham on stuff. Is it just diablo 3 with a 40k skin or is it worth $10?
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Fried Chicken posted:What are the opinions on the "Kill Team" game? Reviews are bad, but I just want to have a character in power armor going ham on stuff. Is it just diablo 3 with a 40k skin or is it worth $10? Top down shooter, not like Diabol at all. Pretty fast paced and fun. It's decent but it'll probably be even cheaper during the next Steam Sale.
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JerryLee posted:Couldn't you spin a shitload of religions as being too Chaos, though? I mean take something like the classical Greek pantheon. Sure a reasonable person will look at it and realize that there aren't actually tentacles coming out of everything, but a core conceit is that the imperium isn't run by reasonable people. I'm fairly certain that an Inquisitor having a bad day, or just with an axe to grind, could point at Dionysus, say "Slaanesh!" and start burning people, and if there was ever any oversight to their actions it would probably ultimately nod and conclude that it was best to be on the safe side. Definitely too much credit. If the choices are "because it's GrimDark" or "because it has depth?" It's GrimDark every time. And yeah, that is the complication. Indeed, there are as many stories of this Inquisitor or that Confessor going overboard and annihilating innocents because they caught a "whiff" of Chaos taint in this or that belief stricture as there are legitimate Chaos cults getting caught out the same way. Hell, one of the sacred cows of 40k, the Star Child cult, got snuffed that way. So yes, it can lead to catastrophic failure. Is that martial brotherhood in the Morris Rifles really worshiping the Emperor, or is it a gateway drug into Khorne worship? Are prayers to The Suffering God about the Emperor on his Golden Throen or is that Nurgle back there? And so on and so forth.
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Fried Chicken posted:What are the opinions on the "Kill Team" game? Reviews are bad, but I just want to have a character in power armor going ham on stuff. Is it just diablo 3 with a 40k skin or is it worth $10? It's pretty entertaining in short bursts, especially if you play it with a friend. Anybody has Master of the hunt? It exist in ebook/printed versions? I'm not too fond of audiodramas. Also, how bad it really is? I'm curious about
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Angry Lobster posted:Anybody has Master of the hunt? It exist in ebook/printed versions? I'm not too fond of audiodramas. Also, how bad it really is? I'm curious about It's... okay. It picks up towards the end but this Doomrider isn't the internet's favourite coke-fiend, I'm afraid.
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Clockwork Rocktapus posted:At this threads high recommendation I've picked up and have started reading the Ciaphas Cain novels. Can someone give me a primer on the Tau? Most of the other races in 40k seem bent on destruction or are just omega dicks but the Tau don't seem too bad from what I've seen in Cain. Are they also secretly dicks?  The Tau can't really be said to be anything, considering their whole society is a puppet of the Eldar. In their codex, it's described that they were an extremely warlike and self-destructive species in their pre-modern era, to the point that they brought themselves to the brink of extinction in the equivalent of the late-Renaissance/early gunpowder era. At that point, the Ethereals popped into existence, seemingly from thin air, and the Tau became a unified, cohesive, progress-oriented culture overnight. The book Xenology explains that the Ethereals are a creation of the Eldar, and that they're mind-controlling the rest of the Tau through some kind of pheromonal  that the Eldar stole from a race of sentient insectoids at the far edge of the galaxy. So really, the Tau do whatever the Eldar want them to. And everyone knows how considerate the Eldar are of other species when something they care about is at stake.Farsight and his followers being the exception, of course, as long as they manage to stay away from any Ethereals.
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The Tau are authoritarian, ultranationalistic zealots entirely convinced that their philosophy of "The Greater Good" (a highly stratified caste system where the pseudo-mindcontrolling Ethereal caste lies at the top and non-tau are on the bottom of the rung) is the right and proper way for all sentients in the galaxy, and are thus justified in using any means necessary (political, economic, military) to expand and convert everyone to their views.
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Improbable Lobster posted:Tau are "good", in that they hide their mass sterilization campaigns and imperialism slightly better than the guys screaming about how all aliens must be destroyed. I thought this only happened relatively recently though? Before that they were pretty much the only good guys with anime and gundams but I guess everything has to get the grim dark treatment.
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Not quite recently, but a couple years after their introduction, that with GW realizing the entire race was a mary sue that didn't at all fit the setting.
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I thought it was a good idea to have one sympathetic and vibrant race to contrast all the others. They don't have to be perfect, just likable.
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Baron Bifford posted:I thought it was a good idea to have one sympathetic and vibrant race to contrast all the others. They don't have to be perfect, just likable. They already have that, it's called regular folks trapped in the war-filled hell of the grim darkness of the far future, where there is only war.
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Nephilm posted:Not quite recently, but a couple years after their introduction, that with GW realizing the entire race was a mary sue that didn't at all fit the setting. I don't know, having one optimistic race wouldn't have ruined the setting. I think the initial concept was a pretty good contrast. You had a young race of naive technologists that sought to embrace innovation and growth in the same way that the original Imperium did during the Dark Age of Technology. Their weaknesses would still be the size of their empire and their lack of knowledge about the scope of the true dangers in the galaxy. There's really no need to have them commit genocide or mass forced sterilisations just to add more character to the race.
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Kegslayer posted:I don't know, having one optimistic race wouldn't have ruined the setting. I think the initial concept was a pretty good contrast. You had a young race of naive technologists that sought to embrace innovation and growth in the same way that the original Imperium did during the Dark Age of Technology. Their weaknesses would still be the size of their empire and their lack of knowledge about the scope of the true dangers in the galaxy. There's really no need to have them commit genocide or mass forced sterilisations just to add more character to the race. Yeah, if GW just wanted another grimdark addition they could have spared us this little sidestep and just gone full on mega-grimdark with whoever those guys from the Ghoul stars are, who laid waste to a huge part of the Imperium during the legendary Pale Wasting. The Tau worked a lot better as a contrast to the lovely rest of the galaxy. Now we wouldn't care as much if those fuckers get their heads carved in by Tyranids or whatever. By the way, I would like to see GW try this again with some of the other disturbing and mysterious alien races still contesting the Imperium from time to time, like the menace from the Ghoul stars (and their nightmare-engines) mentioned above. If they ever make those or the Hrud into models, I would buy them.
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I just finished the Night Lords books and while I loved them - ADB is a really solid and engaging writer - I was glad to see the back of them at the end. I'm interested in another viewpoint now - no more Space Marines or IG for a while if possible. Are Gav Thorpe's Eldar books any good? Are there any other decent xenos-based books kicking around?
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Kegslayer posted:I don't know, having one optimistic race wouldn't have ruined the setting. I think the initial concept was a pretty good contrast. You had a young race of naive technologists that sought to embrace innovation and growth in the same way that the original Imperium did during the Dark Age of Technology. Their weaknesses would still be the size of their empire and their lack of knowledge about the scope of the true dangers in the galaxy. There's really no need to have them commit genocide or mass forced sterilisations just to add more character to the race. The thing is that they didn't do that, what they did was a "progressive" society that only wanted peace, who in a couple thousand years managed to technologically surpass the imperium, that was immune to chaos and managed to fight off the tyranids after failing to make peace with them.
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Plavski posted:I just finished the Night Lords books and while I loved them - ADB is a really solid and engaging writer - I was glad to see the back of them at the end. IIRC the Fear The Alien short story collection has some pretty good stuff in it. I remember particularly liking a story about a Dark Eldar Archon trying to court another DE.
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Improbable Lobster posted:IIRC the Fear The Alien short story collection has some pretty good stuff in it. I remember particularly liking a story about a Dark Eldar Archon trying to court another DE. That and the more recent one about, no really, a jet bike race are the only readable DE POV stories so far.
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ADB posted:For the record, as gratifying as it will be for various folks to run to Amazon and pre-order it from everyone’s favourite tax-avoiding mega-company, I’ll just note that the more zealous and hardcore among you might want to wait until August, when there’ll be a fairly lush announcement regarding the novel. An announcement that, sadly, I’m not allowed to say a word about just yet. I asked! I swear! But the messianic overlords that stand astride BL Towers poured boiling oil down upon my hopes, using words like “marketing” and “when the time is right” and “in accordance with the prophecy”. That sounds ominous. BL doing a reasonable promotion or sale? No way.
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I listened to the podcast, there is a bunch of really interesting things in there. Actual stuff about his projects coming up:
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UberJumper posted:[*]ADB's favourite xmen is Cyclops Hey. HEY! Cyclops is awesome. There are those of us who still remember how he was back in the late '70s and early '80s when he was the heart and soul of the X-Men and Wolverine was just the wildcard who'd fly off the handle all the time. Cyke deserved better than he's gotten over the last couple of decades, but that doesn't change our affection for the guy. 
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UberJumper posted:[*] Annieka from Emperors Gift is going to get her own book eventually (apparently it involves warp and how time is really hosed up) Ooh ooh this is the Inquisitor in that book right? This makes me really excited because her character was really nice and her retinue was interesting (a reformed heretic sounds fun) Misc Crap UberJumper posted:
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UberJumper posted:I listened to the podcast, there is a bunch of really interesting things in there. UberJumper posted:
 Speaking of Gav Thorpe, does anyone know how Master of Sanctity turned out? It's a sequel to Ravenwing which was alright. It was obvious he was asked to add all of the new units from the codex into the book; they were mentioned in the first few chapters and then promptly forgotten. He also tried way too hard to show that the Ravenwing can work in a bunch of environments. The book featured them riding around inside a space station and later climbing a mountain without their bikes. Dark Angels could result in some really good books instead of sub-par ones, but they need to be handed to someone else. I don't like Gav Thorpe being the final authority on my favorite space men. 
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UberJumper posted:
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vigorous sodomy posted:Want Nick Kyme to write a series of books about life from the perspective of a grot or gretchen. So, an autobiography? 
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vigorous sodomy posted:Well, IS Decimus a mortal sired chapter master?  He didn't actually give an answer. He just hates the question and wishes people would understand that your not going to get an answer to that question. Since writing about him would take place in M42. Safety Factor posted:All of this sounds great. I'd really like to see ADB handle the Dark Angels. They show up in Prince of Crows, but aren't a focus. I'd also read anything about them from Abnett since I liked his take on the Lion in Unremembered Empire. Even if that book was a crazy mess of plotlines. I too want ADB to handle the Dark Angels. I know Abnett also said he is writing about the Dark Angel's "Dreadwing". Etherway drat it Thorpe.
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Fried Chicken posted:Is there about a minute of missing audio from 15:30-16:30 for anyone else? I think ADB said something he shouldn't have said, so it was edited out.
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vigorous sodomy posted:Well, IS Decimus a mortal sired chapter master? Wouldn't all Space Marines and hence all Chapter Masters be mortal sired?
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UberJumper posted:
This reminds me of the Scars novel(s) in which at one point the Sigilite mentions that he suggested to the Emperor to make the Primarchs women instead of men.
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Khizan posted:Wouldn't all Space Marines and hence all Chapter Masters be mortal sired? Aren't new Chaos Space Marines created from a horrific process? That involves pregnant demons or something insane?
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I thought they were created in much the same way as Loyalists: they implant their (corrupt) gene-seeds into human recruits.
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Actually it depends on the Legion/Warband. There's people who uses cloning technology, like Fabius Bilis. Others do it old school, like in ADB's Night Lords trilogy, where they do the traditional implantation system. Inevitably, some use chaos shenanigans and other warp-fuelled nightmares worthy of appearing in a porn japanese animu/manga,
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Night Lords omnibus has hit the shelves; do your duty to the Legion.
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mdemone posted:Night Lords omnibus has hit the shelves; do your duty to the Legion. Mine came in the mail last week but I was still working on The First Heretic. Finished that last night, so I'm starting the omnibus tonight. Very excited. Other than Betrayer and First Heretic, what good books is Argel Tal in?
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