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Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Rhesus Pieces posted:

No, airing a graham cracker commercial featuring a gay couple is obviously all about attacking conservatives. Everything that isn't explicitly conservative is about attacking conservatives, after all.

When you get to the point where a commercial featuring a happy couple eating graham crackers is a "taunt", you've really got some serious thinking and reflecting to do.

To be fair, its kinda weird how the one dad says "The only thing I love more than undermining the moral values that makes this country great is eating these loving crackers"

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Push El Burrito
May 9, 2006

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Rhesus Pieces posted:



Because there's just no way that any company could be interested in marketing to an until recently ignored demographic while getting some positive social media attention at the same time.

No, airing a graham cracker commercial featuring a gay couple is obviously all about attacking conservatives. Everything that isn't explicitly conservative is about attacking conservatives, after all.

When you get to the point where a commercial featuring a happy couple eating graham crackers is a "taunt", you've really got some serious thinking and reflecting to do.

I saw some hotels.com or whatever commercial with a gay couple and thought it was cool we were finally to a point where nobody is outraged by it and, welp.

Ghost of Reagan Past
Oct 7, 2003

rock and roll fun
To be perfectly fair if I was an advertising exec I'd kill three birds with one stone by selling to the LGBT community, improving my company's image, and trolling easily-offended conservatives.

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

Slightly Toasted posted:

So apparently it's a thing that Hillary had to defend a child rapist as a public defender at the beginning of her career and did her job. link


:iamafag:

A lawyer had to do their job?! :monocle: Scandalous!

Pixelboy
Sep 13, 2005

Now, I know what you're thinking...
So, apparently this morning Rush said it was a matter of time before the captured Benghazi guy blamed the video. He's going to be insufferable tomorrow.

More so than usual, at least.

Good Citizen
Aug 12, 2008

trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump

GAYMIEN SANDOW posted:

I saw some hotels.com or whatever commercial with a gay couple and thought it was cool we were finally to a point where nobody is outraged by it and, welp.

Hotwire.com.

If you ever want an unfiltered stream of conservatives getting angry about every gay and swear word on TV then http://onemillionmoms.com/ has you covered

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe
John Adams? More like John Badams.

icantfindaname
Jul 1, 2008


Here's an article from The New Republic describing the political layout of my hometown Milwaukee. It's a long article but I can confirm it's 100% accurate. I grew up in those suburbs listening to Sykes and Belling via my parents. I was pretty surprised to see how bad it is compared to the rest of the country, though.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/118145/scott-walkers-toxic-racial-politics

Some highlights

quote:

In early August of 2011, a few days after Congress passed a deal to end the debt-ceiling showdown that brought the nation to the brink of credit default, a conservative talk-radio host in the Milwaukee suburbs went on an extended riff about Gwen Moore, the first African American elected to the House from Wisconsin.

Moore had missed the debt-ceiling vote, and her office explained that she had been unable to make her way through the massive crowd that gathered to celebrate Gabrielle Giffords’s triumphant return to the floor. This account provided an opening for radio host Mark Belling.

“She’s been in the Congress now for about ten years. During that time, she ... has managed to be known for absolutely nothing,” Belling said. “Gwen Moore simply occupies a seat. A very large seat. ... The woman is so fat and out of shape, she literally can’t get to the floor to vote anymore. ... It’s time to vote and here’s Gwen: ‘I’m out of breath! Blew-ee, blew-ee!’ ” (Here Belling affected the exertions of an overweight black woman.) Or, he continued, perhaps there was another possibility: “What do you think the chances are she was sitting on the toilet? ... Maybe Gwen was sitting there on the crapper and this was one that was not working out too well for her or something. ‘Blew-ee!’ ‘Congresswoman, you’ve got to vote.’ ‘I am sittin’ on de toilet!’ ” Belling concluded: “Gabrielle Giffords was shot in the head, got there, and voted. ... Gwen Moore can’t waddle her way across the street.”

Keep it classy, Mark

quote:

Scott Walker’s parents are friendly and unfailingly earnest, and to hear them tell it, their son was called to leadership by God. His father, Llewellyn, was a Baptist minister, and before Scott could even read, he was summoned to the front of church to offer prayers. At age seven, in tiny Plainfield, Iowa, where Reverend Walker served on the town council, Scott founded the “Jesus USA Club” and would hop up on an improvised soapbox to raise money for a state flag outside the village hall. Not long after that, his family moved to Delavan, a small manufacturing town in southern Wisconsin. Walker went door to door to campaign for a classmate’s father who was running for local office. Walker’s parents told me that his teacher asked him why he was doing that. “Because he’s a good man,” he informed her.


Photo by Narayan Mahon
A victorious Scott Walker after the 2012 recall election.
Walker was the prototypical preacher’s kid, acutely aware of the need to present a genial face to the world. “When you’re a ‘P.K.,’ you live in a fishbowl and are trained to be careful so that you don’t do anything that embarrasses your parents,” says his mother, Patricia. He absorbed many of his father’s sermons—these tended to be more homespun than fiery—and would later fill in for Llewellyn occasionally when he was sick. “Sometimes, in high school,” Patricia recalls, “he’d stay awake thinking of all the things in the world he could do something about.”

Walker had an easy smile and impressive 1980s mullet, and he played on the football team, but his friends would apologize if they swore in his presence, and he wasn’t much for chasing girls. “He was a very nice-looking young man, always very neat in appearance,” says Neill Flood, the town’s fire chief, whose daughter was a year ahead of Walker in school. “He was the kind of guy who liked everyone, and everyone liked him. There was never any physical attraction for Scott, girls being all over him.” On Scott’s prom night, his mother recalls, he, his date, and some friends stayed up very late talking politics.

Scott Walker's childhood was indistinguishable with 1950s Mississippi

quote:

Among U.S. cities, Milwaukee has long been an outlier. In the late nineteenth century, it was the most foreign city in the country: By 1890, a mere 13 percent of its inhabitants were the children of American-born parents. For most of the period between 1910 and 1960, the city was governed by Socialist Party mayors. And, as the twentieth century wore on, Milwaukee stood apart for another reason: It remained remarkably and stubbornly white. The Great Migration that had brought some six million African Americans from the South between 1910 and 1930 and in a second wave around World War II transformed just about every major city in the North—except Milwaukee. Few migrants made it past the great sponge of Chicago, in part because there wasn’t a plentiful supply of jobs to entice them: Milwaukee’s labor market was then amply filled by European immigrants and workers from the declining timber and mining industries up north. By 1960, blacks made up nearly a quarter of Chicago’s population and nearly 30 percent of Detroit’s and Cleveland’s. In Milwaukee, they accounted for less than 10 percent of residents, the smallest proportion of African Americans in any of the 15 largest cities in the country.

It wasn’t until the ’60s that African Americans started to drift into Milwaukee in large numbers. For the next 20 years, the city offered safer streets and better schools than Chicago, and its industrial base was faring better than in many other urban areas. By 1990, Milwaukee’s black population had shot up to 30 percent. Today, it stands near 40 percent, while Hispanics make up another 17 percent.

This delayed arrival would prove highly consequential. Not long after a substantial African American community took shape, Milwaukee’s industrial base began to collapse and its manufacturing jobs disappeared. This left almost no time for the city to develop a black middle class or a leadership elite. Within short order, Milwaukee had some of the most glaring racial disparities in the country. Today, it has the second-highest black poverty rate in the United States, and the unemployment rate is nearly four times higher for blacks than for whites. The city had never been exactly welcoming to African Americans—its tight-knit enclaves of Germans, Jews, and Poles had fiercely resisted housing and school integration. But the decline of the black ghetto so soon after many of its residents had arrived made it easier for white Milwaukeeans to write off the entire African American community, or to blame it for the city’s troubles. White flight, like the Great Migration, came late to Milwaukee, but it came fast and fueled with resentment. Between 1960 and 2010, the population of the three formerly rural counties around Milwaukee County (Waukesha, Ozaukee, and Washington, or the “WOW” counties, for short) nearly tripled, to 608,000.

Milwaukee appears to be the most politically polarized city in the country

Have some pictures







And finally one last gem

quote:

He and [his wife] Tonette married on Reagan’s birthday, and every year they celebrate their wedding anniversary / Reagan’s birthday by serving the Gipper’s favorite dishes, such as macaroni-and-cheese casserole and red, white, and blue jelly beans. Walker’s mother attributes his even keel to his faith. “He prayed and read the Bible every day, and when things got rough, [supporters would] tell him they were praying for him,” she says.

:shepface: jesus christ

icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 01:40 on Jun 18, 2014

Jerry Manderbilt
May 31, 2012

No matter how much paperwork I process, it never goes away. It only increases.

icantfindaname posted:

Scott Walker's childhood was indistinguishable with 1950s Mississippi

One would think he probably saw way fewer black people (if not none at all), and of course how could we forget him likening himself to MLK Jr?

Sir Tonk
Apr 18, 2006
Young Orc

Good Citizen posted:

Hotwire.com.

If you ever want an unfiltered stream of conservatives getting angry about every gay and swear word on TV then http://onemillionmoms.com/ has you covered

Ugh, they're so bad.

http://onemillionmoms.com/successes

It's like a more insane version of MADD.

Spacedad
Sep 11, 2001

We go play orbital catch around the curvature of the earth, son.
Prepare to get very very very very very angry.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcAWkW4HCxE

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/06/13/cnn-cuts-school-shootings-since-newtown-from-74-to-15-to-appease-gun-advocates/

quote:

CNN cuts school shootings since Newtown from 74 to 15 to appease gun advocates

The news network CNN reportedly bowed to pressure from gun advocates when it redefined what constitutes a “school shooting” and lowered its estimate of the number of attacks since the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Connecticut from 74 to 15.

Think Progress reported that a column published Thursday on CNN.com took issue with numbers complied by Everytown for Gun Safety, a nonprofit group dedicated to curbing gun violence.

“After Tuesday’s shooting at an Oregon high school, many media outlets, including CNN, reported that there have been 74 school shootings in the past 18 months,” said the column. “So on Wednesday, CNN took a closer look at the list, delving into the circumstances of each incident Everytown included.”


The piece went on to question Everytown’s definition of what constitutes a school shooting. The gun safety group included in its figures any incident in which “a firearm was discharged inside a school building or on school or campus grounds, as documented in publicly reported news accounts. This includes assaults, homicides, suicides, and accidental shootings.”

The CNN piece disagreed with this methodology, stating that, by its definition, a school shooting is only when “a minor or adult actively shooting inside or near a school.” CNN said that the gun safety group should not include “personal arguments, accidents and alleged gang activities and drug deals” in its numbers, which would drop the number of school shootings from approximately one per week since Newtown to one every five weeks.

The media watchdog group Media Matters said that CNN’s about-face on the numbers was the result of a campaign by conservatives to discredit Everytown and other gun safety advocates.

“Criticism of Everytown’s graphic began on June 10 with a lengthy series of tweets from conservative journalist Charles C. Johnson that purported to debunk many of the 74 shootings as ‘fake shooting[s],’” wrote Media Matters’ Timothy Johnson. “Conservative media quickly adopted Johnson’s argument that certain shootings that occur at school should not count when tallying ‘school shootings.’”

“It’s not a school shooting when someone goes and shoots a specific person on campus. It’s a shooting that happens to take place at school,” Charles C. Johnson protested.

The Guardian‘s Alan Burkeman slammed the redefinition as an exercise in semantics, and called it “a truly depressing glimpse of how pro-gun argumentation works these days.”

“What’s especially dispiriting about this flat denial of reality is how little prospect it offers for rational discussion or compromise,” Burkeman said. “(W)hen the pro-gun side of the argument consists of simply insisting that the gun violence that people are so distraught about isn’t real gun violence? Then there’s no clear way forward at all.”

Kiwi Ghost Chips
Feb 19, 2011

Start using the best desktop environment now!
Choose KDE!

Denying reality is insisting that a drug deal gone bad, at night, between non-students, is somehow a “school shooting.”

woke wedding drone
Jun 1, 2003

by exmarx
Fun Shoe
Seems reasonable to me. Maybe people can figure out why anti-gun activists are so determined to frame shootings as "school shootings," and why they get more upset at school shootings than street, club, apartment or rec center shootings.

Sir Tonk
Apr 18, 2006
Young Orc
And to add to the heap of people being wrong, here's a good one.



http://online.wsj.com/articles/dick-cheney-and-liz-cheney-the-collapsing-obama-doctrine-1403046522

Rexicon1
Oct 9, 2007

A Shameful Path Led You Here

Way to look like a loving Dick Tracy villain there Cheney. I'm sure that will add to your credibility.

Nintendo Kid
Aug 4, 2011

by Smythe

SedanChair posted:

Seems reasonable to me. Maybe people can figure out why anti-gun activists are so determined to frame shootings as "school shootings," and why they get more upset at school shootings than street, club, apartment or rec center shootings.

Agreed, restrict all guns to ranges. :)

Good Citizen
Aug 12, 2008

trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump

Sir Tonk posted:

Ugh, they're so bad.

http://onemillionmoms.com/successes

It's like a more insane version of MADD.

To be fair, a lot of those successes probably shouldn't count. Getting a new NBC sitcom cancelled after one season is setting the bar pretty low as far as accomplishments go.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Nintendo Kid posted:

Agreed, restrict all guns to ranges. :)

The forum's DB is hosed up enough without the three of you overloading it with gunchat.

DaveWoo
Aug 14, 2004

Fun Shoe

I'm glad Cheney is coming out and saying this stuff. Having Cheney's sneering mug plastered on every media outlet is the best way I can think of to convince Americans that re-invading Iraq is a loving horrible idea.

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

Hey Cheney remember when we found those WMDs and connections between Saddam and al-Qaeda? Haha yeah me neither.

Mel Mudkiper
Jan 19, 2012

At this point, Mudman abruptly ends the conversation. He usually insists on the last word.

Good Citizen posted:

To be fair, a lot of those successes probably shouldn't count. Getting a new NBC sitcom cancelled after one season is setting the bar pretty low as far as accomplishments go.

Million Moms is sick of the anti-family bigotry of winter. From here on our, OMM is boycotting snow

*later*

Victory for OMM. Just a few months after our boycott all the snow has melted!

Mercury_Storm
Jun 12, 2003

*chomp chomp chomp*
Only 15 school shootings since Sandy Hook? Well, that's a down right reasonable number if I do say so myself! :ughh:

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

CNN is run by clowns. That's the only explanation.

Dr.Zeppelin
Dec 5, 2003

Darkman Fanpage posted:

CNN is run by clowns. That's the only explanation.

Jeff Zucker, so basically the same thing.

Sef!
Oct 31, 2012

“It’s not a school shooting when someone goes and shoots a specific person on campus. It’s a shooting that happens to take place at school.”

Holy poo poo, that is some next-level moving of the goalposts right there.

PostNouveau
Sep 3, 2011

VY till I die
Grimey Drawer

Not counting gang violence? I feel like they're thiiiiiiiis close to just adding "Only white victims count".

Time to read Zinn
Sep 11, 2013
the humidity + the viscosity

Sef! posted:

“It’s not a school shooting when someone goes and shoots a specific person on campus. It’s a shooting that happens to take place at school.”

Holy poo poo, that is some next-level moving of the goalposts right there.

That sounds reasonable. A distinction has to be made between indiscriminate shooting in a public place to terrorize and a violent, public personal conflict. Because the thought process is different. Although it shouldn't affect the "people killed as a result of lax gun policy" tally, which it sounds like the intention is here.

beatlegs
Mar 11, 2001

Um, that's great, if every news outlet did the same thing. But if you're the only one skewing the numbers then it kinda makes your compromised journalistic standards stick out like a sore thumb.

boner confessor
Apr 25, 2013

by R. Guyovich
School shootings only take place when the assailant does not use a gun, we must be fair to guns.

kik2dagroin
Mar 23, 2007

Use the anger. Use it.

Pixelboy posted:

So, apparently this morning Rush said it was a matter of time before the captured Benghazi guy blamed the video. He's going to be insufferable tomorrow.

quote:

RUSH: Folks, anybody want to bet me that this Benghazi suspect, at some point -- they've captured the militia leader, leader of the Benghazi attack -- anybody want to bet me that sometime this week he will admit that the Internet video is what made him so mad that he rounded up his buddies and began the assault on the consulate? I am just going to tell you, I'm not going to predict that, but I want to go on record here on June the 17th making it very clear that, if that does happen, I, for one, will not be surprised in the least. It would fit perfectly, 'cause -- grab sound bite 21. Let me upset the applecart.

Let's go back and listen to this montage. This is from September 20th through 28th of whenever the Benghazi thing happened, it was after that, and we've got a montage here of eight days, not one of these is repeated.

OBAMA: I don't care how offensive this video was, and it was terribly offensive, and we should shun it.

HILLARY: This video is disgusting and reprehensible. It appears to have a deeply cynical purpose: to denigrate a great religion and to provoke rage.

CARNEY: Let's be clear. These protests were in reaction to a video that had spread to the region.

OBAMA: You had a video that was released by somebody who lives here, sort of a shadowy character, who is extremely offensive video.

CARNEY: The unrest we've seen has been in reaction to a video.

OBAMA: Is a crude and disgusting video sparked outrage through the Muslim world.

RICE: It was a spontaneous, not a premeditated response, a direct result of a heinous and offensive video.

OBAMA: I know there are some who ask, "Why don't we just ban such a video?" The answer is enshrined in our laws. Our Constitution protects the right to practice free speech.

RUSH: That's Obama telling the Star Wars bar scene attendees at the United Nations why we just don't ban the video. (imitating Obama) "Well, you world leaders may not know it here, but we have a Constitution, drat it, and I can't just put somebody in jail for what they say, but I'm gonna put this guy in jail for what he did." And they did put him in. So doesn't it follow, I mean, with all of that blame on the video, doesn't this suspect have to say that the video made him do it?
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2014/06/17/will_benghazi_suspect_say_the_video_made_him_do_it

poo poo, he even changes his stance on global warming! He's being a facetious piece of poo poo

quote:

RUSH: You know, my friends, I have been dubious about claims of man-made global warming. Ever since I've been hosting this program, 25 years, I have told you that it's a hoax. But something is happening that may be changing my mind. Leonardo DiCaprio is going to speak at President Obama's Our Ocean conference. The State Department is holding a conference about the ecological threats facing the world's oceans.

Leonardo DiCaprio will be a featured speaker, and I'm beginning to change my mind now. Maybe there is something to it. I mean, you go out and get a powerhouse like DiCaprio, and then you do an Our Oceans conference in the middle of all this other stuff going on? John Kerry said, "I'm pleased that Leo DiCaprio is lending his powerful voice to our call to action to work together to protect the world's oceans."

I guess I just needed the right person to convince me. For some people it was Gore's movie. For me, it's Leonardo DiCaprio. I mean, if he's gonna tell me that all this stuff is real, I guess I have no choice but than to believe him. If they're gonna throw powerful minds like this at us! Obviously, folks, they're now really bringing out the heavyweights and the heavy hitters.

It's making me seriously question my previous commitment to the idea that man-made global warming is a hoax. I mean, just the other day... This guy DiCaprio knows his stuff. That same week, he was lauded by the State Department for his efforts to save the earth -- that's not something too many of us can say -- he was celebrating the World Cup by partying on the world's fifth-largest yacht owned by a wealthy oil sheik in San Tropez.

Or maybe it was down in Brazil. I don't know. But, I mean, if this guy, DiCaprio, is comfortable enough to tell us that we are destroying the planet and that oil is the scourge of modern humanity, and that we have got to get rid of it and we've got to stop using it -- and if the State Department has employed him (i.e., John Kerry) to show up at a save Our Oceans conference -- and the week prior DiCaprio is at a party owned by one of the biggest oil sheiks in the world...?

Of course I jest, ladies and gentlemen. Look at what's happening here. Islamic Muslim terrorists are mass murdering the men we trained in Iraq to protect themselves. Meanwhile, the State Department's having a seminar on the death of the oceans with a Hollywood idiot supposedly as the big draw? Obama's playing golf and giving commencement speeches on global warming while Al-Qaeda is on the march?

Can somebody put the pieces together here?
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2014/06/17/if_leo_dicaprio_believes_it
I am furious that Obama isn't getting us back into the quagmire Bush got us into! :bahgawd:

quote:

RUSH: This is Felicia in Sarasota, Florida, as we head back to the phones. Hi. Great to have you here.

CALLER: Thank you so much for taking my call.

RUSH: You bet.

CALLER: You're wonderful. I listen to you all the time. I just wanted to say, my father and mother lived through the Depression, and my father was a member of World War II and his brother was in World War II, and my parents would flip right now if they heard what was going on in this country. I mean, seriously, with all these scandals, the VA scandal, the IRS scandal. They would just be so very upset about all this. I was so upset the other day, I almost didn't listen to the news any longer. There was the busing and -- oh, any goodness, it was just awful. My parents, I wish this country understood what those people in World War II did for this country. I grew up in a wonderful time period.

RUSH: Here's the thing. In fact, I touched on this yesterday. It may serve me well to revive this piece by Peter Beinart at TheAtlantic.com. Here's what you have to get your mind around, Felicia. You're going to have to understand that it's a different world, it's a changing world, it's a changing world demographically, and it's changing with rising numbers of minorities, Hispanics, African-Americans, Native Americans. And you are going to have to learn to see that as a new age of tolerance and social justice. Instead of looking at it the way you obviously do.

You look at those people as free riders and takers threatening the America you once knew. But America's changing. This is not the America of World War II. It's not the America of the sixties; it's not the America of the eighties; it's not the America of the nineties; it's a brand-new one, brought to you by Barack Obama, the Democrat Party. And what you've gotta understand is, to these people, the great America you remember was a fraud. That was not real. That was not real happiness. That was the result of plunder and theft around the world, oppression.
...
It's a new era of tolerance and social justice, and he makes the point that if you Republicans oppose it, you are going to hasten it. (Remember that part of the piece I shared with you yesterday?) If you oppose this, you are only going to make it happen. You have got to sign on to it. So, in other words: "The only thing you Republicans can do to be viable in the future is to support this and understand this is a changing America and you've got to sign on to it and love it and accept it.

"'Cause if you don't, it's going to happen anyway, and you'll be left out of it." Of course what he was really saying was, "You don't have any chance of being loved, adored, accepted, and liked, unless you join us. If you continue to oppose this and try to hold onto an America that isn't anymore, you're gonna be hated, despised, reviled, outcast." You can see how the Republican Party establishment has bought into it and believes it.

It's more evidence of what I started the program out with today. The only thing standing in the way of everything these people want is the Republican base, i.e., the Tea Party. We're it. As such, we are the enemies of the establishment of both parties, the Chamber of Commerce, the business coalition with government. We are the problem. We're the last to sign up. So a woman calls here in tears.

"This is not the country of World War II, of my parents and grandparents." No, that's by design. That country was racist. That country was filled with bigotry and homophobia. That country was denying people their rights and their social justice, and that was a fraudulent American era. We had superpower status, but only because we ran around the world and stole from other countries and plundered them and forced our way on them.

This is what they really believe.


Now I think this would be a great time for me to give you a little bit more detail on what's happening with this influx of illegal kids crossing the border. Remember, they're not from Mexico, we're told. These are "unaccompanied alien children," and they have a name, UACs, and they are from Central America, which means El Salvador, Guatemala, Nicaragua. Not Mexico. And they are "pouring in."

They're pouring into Arizona and they're pouring into Texas, which has consequences. When they get across the border they are being "transferred to Border Patrol facilities elsewhere along the border -- US government officials are scrambling to find places to put them." Here's the problem: "Based on current immigration and asylum laws, the vast majority of those children could be legally staying right here in the United States before long."

Here's what's at work here: "Under the authority of the Homeland Security Act, the federal government transfers custody of illegal immigrant children who are apprehended alone at our borders to the Department of Health and Human Service's Office of Refugee Resettlement (ORR)." There is such a place. The Office of Refugee Resettlement. It's just... They're refugees. That's exactly what they are.

"The ORR's primary goal is to reunite them with a family member or legal guardian already here in the US (regardless of their legal status) while the child goes through removal proceedings," but they try to track down any relative of the child. "As Breitbart Texas recently reported, UACs receive a bevy of assistance while in ORR custody, including classroom education, health care, socialization/recreation, vocational training, mental health services, family reunification..."

They get more than is being passed out at the VA. Let's just put it all on the table. I'll go through the list again. Here's what these kids get by virtue of current law the minute they cross the border: "classroom education, health care, socialization/recreation, vocational training, mental health services, family reunification."

That's a big one, particularly if the family is not here. The refugee crowd goes and tries to find 'em in their Central American native country and bring them here -- and that's the real objective. But before we get to that they get "access to legal services," these kids do, "and case management. In many cases, they are treated better than US citizen children currently in the foster care system."

Obviously so, with this kind of treatment and services. "The most valuable of all those benefits is the legal assistance. ORR has an outreach program to connect immigration attorneys willing to work on a pro-bono basis with [these kids] as they go through removal proceedings." Now, who do you think these lawyers are? They're all from the plaintiff's bar. These are all Democrat donor trial lawyers, in many cases.

Big donors to the Democrat Party.
They're down there offering pro-bono legal services. In other words, they're down there doing political work. They're helping legalize all of these kids that cross the border, pro bono. They're doing the bidding of the Democrat Party, pro bono. They will be compensated later in other ways. You can pick and choose.

"For adult illegal immigrants facing deportation or applying for a status adjustment through avenues like asylum or cancellation of removal, finding a pro-bono attorney is next to impossible, and even lower-priced immigration attorneys are financially out of reach for cash-strapped applicants. But in the case of [these kids], there is a program designed specifically to help just them, as well as unaccompanied refugee minors.

"The pro-bono attorneys who volunteer to help these children aren't bottom-of-the-barrel lawyers, either; some of them work for very prestigious firms in different parts of the country. One such organization that provides pro-bono legal services for [kids] is the Safe Passage Project. Their 'attorneys of the week' list highlighted on their main page included a litigator who has practiced multiple areas of law, including Immigration, Foreclosure, Personal Injury, and Real Estate, for seven years and established her own law firm on Wall Street."

These are not public defenders. This is not legal aid. These are prominent Democrat lawyers. "With this kind of legal firepower behind them, it shouldn’t come as a surprise that the odds of UACs being granted some kind of legal status to stay in the United States is very high. Safe Passage Project Director Lenni Benson wrote a letter to The New York Times in May 2014 in which she said, 'Our organization, Safe Passage Project, finds that nearly 90 percent of the unaccompanied minors we meet who are facing deportation qualify for immigration relief, allowing them to remain in the United States legally.'"

So it doesn't matter what Congress does. It doesn't matter what the law is. All they gotta do is somehow get across the border, Border Patrol funnels them somewhere, here come the lawyers, they get pro bono legal services, all the other social services, and they're legal. And that then sets up reunification with their parents who may still be in El Salvador or Guatemala or wherever. This stuff was all in place. It is the law. This stuff's all in place, been ready to go for just this instance. I don't know anybody who thinks that this mass arrival of kids is coincidence.

However, ladies and gentlemen, there is more. The unaccompanied children have more options than just asylum, legally. "According to the Project’s website, 'Special Immigrant Juvenile Status (SIJS) is an immigration classification available to certain undocumented immigrants under the age of 21 who have been abused, neglected, or abandoned by one or both parents.'" And I guess all they have to do is say they were, 'cause how are we gonna prove it? The abuse happens in El Salvador, Guatemala, so I guess it's the honor system. "Yeah, I was abused. I was beaten up by my mom."

"Oh, really? Well, here. Take this citizenship card. It'll make you feel all better."

And that's basically what happens.
"'SIJS is a way for immigrants under twenty-one to apply for and obtain legal permanent residence in the United States.' There are a few legal hoops an applicant has to jump through, including being declared a dependent in court, being unable to reunite with a parent, and being unable to return to his/her own country."

They have to go and confess to that, but big whoop. Now, one more aspect to all this. Here come these kids, literally tens of thousands of them. Their parents are somewhere. Well, their parents are back home. What are their parents being told about this back home? Here comes little Juan from El Salvador, and Juan's patients are back in El Salvador and they're wondering what happened. Well, here's the story on that.

"The rumors circulating throughout Central America right now don’t go into much detail about what exactly happens to UACs once they’re taken into Border Patrol custody, other than they’re being released and physically taken care of," and they get to stay. Their parents back home, the rumor is, the rumor that is being propagated for them to hear back home is the kids are being taken care of, and they get to stay.

Now, if this babe that runs this legal service providing the lawyers, if her claim that 90% of these kids are eligible for amnesty, if that's correct, then the reality is our immigration court flies right in the face of the rhetoric from the Regime and Department of Homeland Security officials that the crisis is not of our government's own making. Obama and DHS said, "Wait, we had nothing to do with it. We didn't manufacture this." But if 90% are eligible for amnesty and get all these services by virtue of law, then how can their claim that they've got nothing to do with this possibly hold water? So it is an all-out assault, folks, on what this country used to be, all-out assault. You and I, the Tea Party Republican base, are the only ones standing in the way of it.

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RUSH: Now, ladies and gentlemen, permit me to remind you, this is exactly why there is Rush Revere, Time-Travel Adventures with Exceptional Americans. This is precisely why I wanted to write this series of books. The mission to counteract whatever I can do, whatever we can do here to counteract what is happening and prevent the distortion of the truth of this country from taking hold in the minds of young people. These are history books that are exciting and filled with adventure, and they take the reader right to the event, whatever it is, the Boston Tea Party, the first Thanksgiving, the Pilgrims' arrival, you name it. Rush Revere and the time-traveling horse, Liberty, take the students, the readers right there and teach them the truth of what happened in this country.

That is the mission behind these books and we want these books everywhere. We're donating books to schools all over the place, and we're gonna continue working very hard on these books, make it an ongoing series in an effort to counteract what is being done in schools all across the country, in disparaging the foundation of this country. And there's no question that is happening. The multicultural curriculum is such. It's not just the founding of America. It's America of 30 years ago and 20 years ago. It was corrupt and indecent and immoral and unjust and filled with racism, sexism, bigotry, and homophobia and only now is social justice finally taking hold. Only now are we making amends for all of our past transgressions.

It's a near crime what is sufficing today as education about this nation's history. It's such a miracle, this country. It is so great. It is the lone outpost of freedom there has ever been. It has been the guarantor and protector and the seeker of freedom since the days of its founding. And, as such, it has been, our country has been the exception to the rule of tyranny and bondage. Our country is the one thing standing in the way of tyranny. And now, folks, apparently the Tea Party is the one thing standing in the way of the Washington establishment totally having its way.

So this influx of kids, I mean, you can imagine the political opportunity the left sees in their arrival. And so the Rush Revere books, which there are two now, Rush Revere and the Brave Pilgrims, Rush Revere and the First Patriots, and there will be more. It is an effort to maintain and teach that which we all know to be true and love. Anyway, it's patently obvious that this is not a coincidence on the border. Correct? I mean, with these existing laws to practically grant them citizenship, pro bono lawyers, and then find their parents.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2014/06/17/influx_of_immigrant_kids_is_part_of_the_left_s_plan_to_remake_america
Speaking of the Tea Party being the sole defenders of all that is good in the country....

quote:

RUSH: So Snerdley comes in today and says, "So, when is there gonna be a special prosecutor named for the missing e-mails?"

I said, "Never. There's not gonna be a special prosecutor. Who's gonna call for a special prosecutor, and then who's gonna name one? Ain't gonna happen." And I went on to explain the facts of life to him. I have to do it each and every day.
Some people, I think a lot of people, are so immersed in the traditional Democrat versus Republican mind-set and think that it still exists, and it doesn't.

There isn't a Democrat versus Republican mind-set in Washington anymore, ladies and gentlemen. There is an election, presidential election, there's a pretense of it, but in truth, the only real enemy of Washington today is the Tea Party. The Republican and Democrat establishments, the Chamber of Commerce, the whole way Washington is working, the only enemies are people who want to reintroduce free markets, get rid of crony capitalism, blow up the relationships that exist between Washington and individual businesses or business at large, Wall Street firms.

You people in the Tea Party that believe in liberty, freedom, free markets, you represent the problem. To John Boehner, to the Republican establishment, to the Republican consultants, Obama is not the problem. Anybody opposed to the way Washington does business today is the problem, and that would be you and me. But more on that later. I'm faced with another one of these days where it's just gonna be a mad dash to get it all in.

It's great to have you. The telephone number is 800-282-2882. The e-mail address, ElRushbo@eibnet.com.

The news media is going berserk. Isn't it an amazing, timely coincidence here that they have found a militia leader of the Benghazi attack and they've arrested him? Isn't this amazing timing? Fox News had the exclusive, but now it's all over the place. "US forces have captured a militia leader suspect in the 2012 Benghazi terror attack that killed four Americans."

So I guess the video really wasn't to blame. Because the guy that did the video is in jail, he's who knows where anymore. Remember the video made these guys do it, so whoever did this really can't be blamed. They were just incited by this video. But all of a sudden we've got the militia leader. I thought it was just a ragtag bunch of protesters that got all fired up after this video hit the Internet. But of course nobody's questioning that. Well, maybe others will, but it's quite obvious that this is a very timely headline, given how things are falling apart in Iraq.

Even Christiane Amanpour at CNN says she has never been as scared as she was the day after 9/11 right now because of what's happening in Iraq and our inability -- she said we had Al-Qaeda on the ropes and we're letting 'em back in. She doesn't understand it. She can't believe it. The sound bites are coming up. But isn't it fortunate that President Obama get a headline using the US military when he really needs one. And it is his military. It's his government. It's his military. It's his IRS. That's the way he talks. Now, when they all get in trouble he has nothing to do with them, but they are his.

So I'm now waiting for FBI Special Forces to capture Lois Lerner's missing e-mails. Of course that's not a headline Obama wants, so that probably isn't gonna happen. Have you heard this? IRS now claiming they can't find e-mails from six additional IRS employees who were involved in targeting the Tea Party. Their computers crashed at the same time. It's just an amazing coincidence, it's unbelievable. The IRS can't find these e-mails, the NSA can't find them.
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Every business in the world ought to be opposed to the minimum wage going up. But why is Costco fighting for it? (I think it's Costco.) Well, easy. They can afford it. Their competitors can't. They support it. They helped get it passed -- and without having to improve the way they do business at all, their competitors are hurt. That's how the game is played now. And who opposes this? You and me!

We oppose this kind of crony capitalism. What does that make us? That makes us, and the Tea Party the big enemy of Washington. Not just the Democrats, but of Washington. The Chamber of Commerce guys run around; what do they want? Illegal immigration, amnesty. They want it for cheap labor. The Republicans and Democrats are all aligned. Some Silicon Valley groups are all aligned.

Who doesn't want this? You and me. The Tea Party. Why? Free markets. The rule of law. We don't want the country flooded with low-educated poor people that, as you just know, will be a huge detriment to the overall prosperity of everybody who lives here. But we thus become the enemy of Washington. You can look at it as ruling class/country class.

You can look at it as elites versus plebes, as the establishment versus whatever. However you want to term it, the only real enemy of Washington today is the Tea Party, the Republican Party base. That's why all these forces are aligned against us. 'Cause if we ever got our way, all these arrangements would end. (interruption) It's not true of every corporation. Obviously every business is not tied to Obama, but those who are happen to be doing well. Look at the financial services.

This is another point that was made in the piece, and it's right on the money. Look at it. Wall Street's going through the roof. But is there any associated, massive economic growth with it? No. Are there any massive new kinds of really great products out there that you can't wait to get your hands on? No. What's happening is that people are moving money around and making profit on the movement of money, but that's all.

Wealth for the sake of it with no dream attached to it. No great accomplishment, no great service, no great product. But the people involved are getting very, very rich and they're doing it because of an association with the government which allows it -- i.e., the Fed funding it with QE1, QE2, QE3. Well, who would want to upset that? Who's on Wall Street? Major Big Businesses. Always assumed to be what? Free-market Republicans.

Guess what?

No longer.

It's just easier. It's just so much easier to suck up and kiss butt with the administration. Get in tight, get protection, get preferential treatment -- while your competitors don't have it -- and it's a simple way of gaining market share without having to improve your business, without having to make a better product or provide a better service. That's what's happening.


So when Snerdley comes in and says, "When is there gonna be a special prosecutor?" (laughing) Special prosecutor for what? Missing e-mails? Who's gonna appoint the special prosecutor? He said, "Well, the Republicans." Go back and look at the Republicans. Take a look at conservative Republican Freshman Class of 1995. You know who was in it? Newt, of course, and Newt today is not the Newt of '95, right?

John Boehner was part of that mix. He's definitely not the John Boehner of 1995 anymore, is he? Dick Armey? He's not even around anymore. But you could look at all those guy. Lindsey Graham, Republican freshman of 1995. Look at him now. They all have become part of the DC crony-capitalist establishment or crony-socialist establishment or what have you, and they all have their vested interests.

But whoever opposes this is going to be considered the enemy, and that's the Tea Party. General Electric, just to remind you, was given at least $3 billion from the Regime for green energy research. That's $3 billion that their competitors didn't get -- and GE didn't need it! But they didn't have to spend their own money, and they had this great relationship, the government sanctioning GE's work on this.

Then we remember the Solyndras and all the other arrangements Obama had with other green energy people. Some of them were not established, but the people involved ended up getting rich before they got out while everybody else involved went bankrupt. That, ladies and gentlemen, is how Washington works in microcosm today. It's not like you were taught in Economics 101.

"Build a better product, make a better service, go out and compete, have people that really work hard for you and follow your dreams and, voila!" That's not the way it works.
It doesn't help that the president of the Regime happens to be historical, the first African-American, making any opposition that much more unlikely 'cause people are afraid to. So, this new system -- and there's always been evidence of it.

I mean, it's nothing really new. It's just how widespread it is now and how the players are so different. I mean, you go out to the low-information world, and it's still believed that Republicans are these uncaring, rich fat cats screwing their customers who couldn't care less about anything getting rich and they are rich 'cause they took money from the poor. People still believe that.

When the Republicans, in many cases, have become as pro-Big Government as the Democrats are. The dirty little secret is it's the Democrats who behave this way, too. Democrat CEOs, Democrat financial services managers. But anyway, I just had to tell you that little story because Snerdley believes that it's 1995, and when something like this outrageous IRS thing happens, there's gonna be a special prosecutor. No, there won't be, because Washington is not gonna harm itself.
It's just not going to do that.

The parties will protect themselves.

They've got too great a thing going.

This is too good a thing.

So we've now captured a "militia leader" suspect in the deadly Benghazi terror attack. And again, I guess the video really wasn't to blame because now it's a "militia leader." Obviously it was a terrorist group. That's the one word they're not using. Six more people at the IRS have had their e-mails destroyed.

Islamic Muslim terrorists are mass murdering the men that America trained with a lot of blood, a lot of sweat, a lot of money to protect themselves in Iraq. Islamic Muslim terrorists are mass murdering Iraqis, trained by Americans -- trained with a lot of blood, a lot of sweat, a lot of money.
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2014/06/17/the_tea_party_is_washington_s_only_enemy
Limbaugh echoes the sentiment of 'everyone in the government is corrupt as gently caress and wants to gently caress you over six ways from Sunday' but always manages to put a Libertarian spin on it. Very impressive!

L-Boned
Sep 11, 2001

by FactsAreUseless
If the tea party dropped their extreme right tendencies and focused more on libertarian issues, they would pick up much more support. However, I do think their support will rise in the future, regardless. When people are discontent with the government status quo, they look towards non-establishment options.

FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012

L-Boned posted:

If the tea party dropped their extreme right tendencies and focused more on libertarian issues, they would pick up much more support. However, I do think their support will rise in the future, regardless. When people are discontent with the government status quo, they look towards non-establishment options.

There's three really easy things the current GOP/Tea Party could do to become relevant to a wide array of people that currently despise them.

1. Make a big deal out of the NSA, Drones, and other terrible things going on by the DHS
2. Make a push just highlighting how hosed Millenials are in every sort of way, ranging from Student Loans, to underemployment. Present some sort of solution to the problem.
3. Highlight how the democratic process has been perverted by large corporations, and special interest groups.

Those are three easy things they could hit on that I feel a great majority of the country would be in agreement on them about.

Instead the only time I've ever seen anyone from the right make a push on the first was Rand Paul.

The 2nd? Watch Fox News and you'll see how the right currently feels about Millenials. "Lazy, Entitled, and with too much self esteem" is how they describe them.

And the final one? Well, who do you think funds the Tea Party in the first place? ;).

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

quote:

This is another point that was made in the piece, and it's right on the money. Look at it. Wall Street's going through the roof. But is there any associated, massive economic growth with it? No. Are there any massive new kinds of really great products out there that you can't wait to get your hands on? No. What's happening is that people are moving money around and making profit on the movement of money, but that's all.

Did...did Rush just admit that trickle-down economics is a load of horseshit?

FuzzySkinner
May 23, 2012

Mr Interweb posted:

Did...did Rush just admit that trickle-down economics is a load of horseshit?

My dad has been telling me this excuse about it, (and apparently why I'm underemployed at the moment). Considering all he consumes is right wing media, here has been his reasoning behind underemployment and lack of economic growth.

"YOU SEE, BUSINESSES ARE AFRAID TO HIRE PEOPLE BECAUSE OF OBAMACARE, AND OBAMA. THEY DON'T KNOW HOW THE LAW IS GOING TO EFFECT THEM, AND THEY DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR EMPLOYEE'S HEALTH INSURANCE. HE'S TRYING TO FUNDAMENTALLY TRANSFORM OUR COUNTRY INTO A SOCIALIST STATE, AND TRYING TO BUILD UP A WELFARE STATE SO HE HAS A PERMANENT VOTING BLOCK FOR HIS POLITICAL PARTY".

So that's likely how Rush would spin it.

Mr Interweb
Aug 25, 2004

FuzzySkinner posted:

My dad has been telling me this excuse about it, (and apparently why I'm underemployed at the moment). Considering all he consumes is right wing media, here has been his reasoning behind underemployment and lack of economic growth.

"YOU SEE, BUSINESSES ARE AFRAID TO HIRE PEOPLE BECAUSE OF OBAMACARE, AND OBAMA. THEY DON'T KNOW HOW THE LAW IS GOING TO EFFECT THEM, AND THEY DON'T WANT TO PAY FOR EMPLOYEE'S HEALTH INSURANCE. HE'S TRYING TO FUNDAMENTALLY TRANSFORM OUR COUNTRY INTO A SOCIALIST STATE, AND TRYING TO BUILD UP A WELFARE STATE SO HE HAS A PERMANENT VOTING BLOCK FOR HIS POLITICAL PARTY".

So that's likely how Rush would spin it.

Yeah, I've heard that excuse too but (like with most right-wing talking points) it makes no goddamned sense. It would be one thing if the "job creators" were struggling and profits were weak, but in fact, they have more money than ever (at least Wall Streeters, anyway). And the natural course of action, according to people like Rush is that once they build up enough money, then OBVIOUSLY it's gonna come pouring onto the filthy masses, just as Ronald Reagan predicted.

Dr.Zeppelin
Dec 5, 2003

FuzzySkinner posted:

There's three really easy things the current GOP/Tea Party could do to become relevant to a wide array of people that currently despise them.

1. Make a big deal out of the NSA, Drones, and other terrible things going on by the DHS
2. Make a push just highlighting how hosed Millenials are in every sort of way, ranging from Student Loans, to underemployment. Present some sort of solution to the problem.
3. Highlight how the democratic process has been perverted by large corporations, and special interest groups.

Those are three easy things they could hit on that I feel a great majority of the country would be in agreement on them about.

Instead the only time I've ever seen anyone from the right make a push on the first was Rand Paul.

The 2nd? Watch Fox News and you'll see how the right currently feels about Millenials. "Lazy, Entitled, and with too much self esteem" is how they describe them.

And the final one? Well, who do you think funds the Tea Party in the first place? ;).

They're kind of doing #3 except their argument is that the democratic process should be the odd man out since it's so susceptible to corruption.

Dr.Zeppelin
Dec 5, 2003

Mr Interweb posted:

Yeah, I've heard that excuse too but (like with most right-wing talking points) it makes no goddamned sense. It would be one thing if the "job creators" were struggling and profits were weak, but in fact, they have more money than ever (at least Wall Streeters, anyway). And the natural course of action, according to people like Rush is that once they build up enough money, then OBVIOUSLY it's gonna come pouring onto the filthy masses, just as Ronald Reagan predicted.

The argument from the rank and file is that Wall Street DOESN'T have more money than ever. The entire stock market is propped up by the fed who is being ordered by the government to make Obama look good at the expense of the actual economy. Likewise the inflation statistics are also lies and we are experiencing rampant inflation which dilutes wealth even further. Liberal investors see high stocks and 2% inflation and think their portfolios are in good shape, but that's because liberals just don't understand business like the rank and file do.

ErIog
Jul 11, 2001

:nsacloud:

Rhesus Pieces posted:



Because there's just no way that any company could be interested in marketing to an until recently ignored demographic while getting some positive social media attention at the same time.

No, airing a graham cracker commercial featuring a gay couple is obviously all about attacking conservatives. Everything that isn't explicitly conservative is about attacking conservatives, after all.

When you get to the point where a commercial featuring a happy couple eating graham crackers is a "taunt", you've really got some serious thinking and reflecting to do.

I love that this headline isn't just saying "Conservatives" it's saying, "conservative moms." It's tossing a whole separate layer of :biotruths: on top of the already existing anti-gay :biotruths:.

It's Adam & Eve, not Adam & Steve! Women do the shopping! Women buy the graham crackers! What's next? Showing a husband shopping for graham crackers? Anyone have more pearls for me to clutch?

KomradeX
Oct 29, 2011

So not exactly dittohead, but is everyone that comes out of the University of Chicago a conservative? Every time I hear about or meet someone from there they always turn out to be one, is their some kind of brainwashing machine devoted Milton Friedman or something there?

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ErIog
Jul 11, 2001

:nsacloud:

KomradeX posted:

So not exactly dittohead, but is everyone that comes out of the University of Chicago a conservative? Every time I hear about or meet someone from there they always turn out to be one, is their some kind of brainwashing machine devoted Milton Friedman or something there?

It's pretty much ground zero for the shift in economics that happened in the 20th century that led to trickle down.

New Austrian -> Chicago school of economics -> supply side trickle down bullshit.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_school_of_economics

ErIog fucked around with this message at 06:36 on Jun 18, 2014

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