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FMguru
Sep 10, 2003

peed on;
sexually

Smythe posted:

thnx. my high school grades were super fail lol
rohnert park wal mart is the hillbilliest place ive ever been

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Smythe
Oct 12, 2003

FMguru posted:

rohnert park wal mart is the hillbilliest place ive ever been

yea there is a lot of fail in rohnert park. nice scenery though. i was bummed by the lack of a greek system. i think a 5'10" jewish waif would really excel in a fraternity

a neurotic ai
Mar 22, 2012
a bunch of old people ITT

Vagrancy
Oct 15, 2005
Master of procrastination

quote:

YouTube is about to begin a mass cull of music videos by artists including Adele and the Arctic Monkeys, after a number of independent record labels refused to sign up to the licensing terms for its new subscription service. The Google-owned company will start blocking videos “in a matter of days” to ensure that all content on the platform is governed by its new contractual terms, said Robert Kyncl, YouTube’s head of content and business operations.

Record labels representing 90 per cent of the music industry have signed up to the new terms, Mr Kyncl said. The remaining 10 per cent, which are asking European regulators to intervene, will be blocked from the platform. “While we wish that we had 100 per cent success rate, we understand that is not likely an achievable goal and therefore it is our responsibility to our users and the industry to launch the enhanced music experience,” Mr Kyncl told the Financial Times.

The new paid-for tier will be part of YouTube’s existing apps and websites, which have more than 1bn monthly visitors. For a monthly fee, users will be able to watch videos or listen to music without adverts, on any of their devices, even when not connected to the internet. YouTube will start Google-wide internal testing of its new subscription-based offering in the coming days, Mr Kyncl said. This will allow the company to polish the user interface and remove any bugs, before making it available to the public later in the summer.

[...]


Mr Kyncl said YouTube was offering all rights holders a good deal, though he did not go into details of the contracts. “We’re paying them fairly and consistently with the industry,” he said.
But many independent labels, which are represented by the rights agency Merlin, disagree. XL Recordings, whose artists include Adele and The XX, and Domino, the label behind the Arctic Monkeys, are understood to be among the indie labels holding out for a better deal. Impala, a trade body for independent music companies, is appealing to the European Commission for assistance, arguing that YouTube has abused a dominant position in the market to force small record labels into accepting unfavourable terms.

One label boss said the big problem with YouTube’s new licensing agreement was not to do with the paid tier, but rather that it allowed YouTube to make substantial enhancements to its free tier. His fear is that YouTube’s free tier will become so attractive that it will reduce the number of people willing to pay for subscription services such as Spotify or Deezer. Mr Kyncl said such concerns were unfounded. YouTube’s “ultimate goal” is to make “features that fans love” and drive as many people as possible to paying for them, he said. Since it was acquired by Google in 2006, YouTube has paid out more than $1bn to the music industry through licensing deals that allow rights holders to take a share of its advertising revenues. “That number is going to double soon,” said Mr Kyncl.

Progressive JPEG
Feb 19, 2003

who will save the poor music execs

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


i hope all involved lose. like maybe some sort of apple-ebook pricing conspiracy style deal between google and the big labels to force people to pay and/or hobble the independent labels (who would totally do the same if they could)?

this is a situation where all involved pouring money into lawyers is a great outcome because i'd rather lawyers have the money than any of their clients.

ultramiraculous
Nov 12, 2003

"No..."
Grimey Drawer
"Mr Kyncl said YouTube was offering all rights holders a good deal"

translation: we have an effective monopoly on the space and they should be thankful we're giving them anything

duTrieux.
Oct 9, 2003


preeeeeeety sure this is blatantly monopolistic

Avenging Dentist
Oct 1, 2005

oh my god is that a circular saw that does not go in my mouth aaaaagh
i'm fine with most indie labels but then "indie" to me usually means "some guy in his basement who somehow manages to produce actual physical copies of music"

i mean if a label does free streaming of all their shits and sells digital copies for like $5 despite easily being able to charge more, and does poo poo like including download codes in CDs/vinyls, i'm not gonna get too pissy at them

also google is way shittier in this case so gently caress em

Necc0
Jun 30, 2005

by exmarx
Broken Cake

duTrieux. posted:

preeeeeeety sure this is blatantly monopolistic

well they aren't explicitly forcing labels to shun other services (yet) so don't get your hopes up for a lawsuit (yet)

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


Tying one service on the condition of accepting another is illegal tho. Enforcement would break jus about the entire tech industry however.

Avenging Dentist
Oct 1, 2005

oh my god is that a circular saw that does not go in my mouth aaaaagh

Shifty Pony posted:

Tying one service on the condition of accepting another is illegal tho. Enforcement would break jus about the entire tech industry however.

all the more reason to do it and watch the hellstorm

Forums Terrorist
Dec 8, 2011

Shifty Pony posted:

Tying one service on the condition of accepting another is illegal tho. Enforcement would break jus about the entire tech industry however.

good, let it burn

Avenging Dentist posted:

all the more reason to do it and watch the hellstorm

Shifty Pony
Dec 28, 2004

Up ta somethin'


the us will never do it but it would just be hilarious if they all got hosed by the eu thanks to their lovely little tax avoidance scheme involving the Netherlands and Ireland.

cremnob
Jun 30, 2010

lmao why every google product is poo poo

quote:

I've served on a number of promotions committees so I have some idea of how the sausage is made. Every promotion case gets reviewed by a committee of several Googlers who are above the level at which the promotion decision is being made. (So if you're going up for promotion to L5, the committee would be people L6 or above.) Different levels have different expectations of what constitutes a strong promotion case. Launching something is one of the best ways to get promoted; but of course, launches vary in terms of scope, complexity, and impact. Launching a tweak to the Slovenian-to-Finnish translation backend might get you promoted to L4, but not to L6.

http://matt-welsh.blogspot.ca/2014/06/the-google-career-path-part-3.html

computer parts
Nov 18, 2010

PLEASE CLAP
that sounds just like microsoft

The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?

computer parts posted:

that sounds just like every company

cremnob
Jun 30, 2010

Former employee here. I had a very opposite experience. New features were key for promotion. Performance/stability tweaks or bug fixes would only add to your promotion chances if they had a demonstrably large impact.

I wasn't at that level but this was super true for L5-L6ish engineers or above. Yes they had to tackle bugs, but they weren't getting to L6 unless they led a huge effort within a project, or L7 unless they launched a project with a solid impact.

Management made efforts to give more weight to refactoring, but it seemed like a token effort. Refactoring was thankless unless it was a truly gargantuan change.

Working there was great, but the engineering incentive structure is far from perfect.


lol

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

cremnob posted:

engineering incentive structure

lol

rotor
Jun 11, 2001

classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

Dicky B posted:

advertisers need to learn to gently caress off and die

who's gonna pay for the stuff you get for free then

rotor
Jun 11, 2001

classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

AWWNAW posted:

does advertising actually like... work on anyone whose mouth isn't perpetually hanging open

not in a "just saw an ad, gonna go buy a thing now" way, no

theadder
Dec 30, 2011


rotor posted:

who's gonna pay for the stuff you get for free then

u

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

rotor posted:

not in a "just saw an ad, gonna go buy a thing now" way, no

advertising is extremely effective if your decisionmaking gland is fatigued after around 20 minutes of shopping or if you're at all hungry

the resultant impulse purchasing holds for everything from candybars to electronics


younger men (teens to 20s iirc) are particularly susceptible to visual advertising and apparently respond best to reds and blues and black and metallics

women are supposed to respond best to high saturation colors (so-called "gem" colors) and lots of white space



modern ad psychology is terrifying

get 24/7 urkel cosplay in here that's his jam

rotor
Jun 11, 2001

classic case of pineapple derangement syndrome

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OVr3EfB_z8

theadder
Dec 30, 2011



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8OVr3EfB_z8

Dicky B
Mar 23, 2004

rotor posted:

who's gonna pay for the stuff you get for free then
no advertising funded thing is any good and idgaf if it all disappears tomorrow

Necc0
Jun 30, 2005

by exmarx
Broken Cake

cremnob posted:

Former employee here. I had a very opposite experience. New features were key for promotion. Performance/stability tweaks or bug fixes would only add to your promotion chances if they had a demonstrably large impact.

I wasn't at that level but this was super true for L5-L6ish engineers or above. Yes they had to tackle bugs, but they weren't getting to L6 unless they led a huge effort within a project, or L7 unless they launched a project with a solid impact.

Management made efforts to give more weight to refactoring, but it seemed like a token effort. Refactoring was thankless unless it was a truly gargantuan change.

Working there was great, but the engineering incentive structure is far from perfect.


lol

in googels defense that poo poo IS hard

Cocoa Crispies
Jul 20, 2001

Vehicular Manslaughter!

Pillbug

Necc0 posted:

in googels defense that poo poo IS hard

the best way to get promoted is to launch something

therefore

fixing things isn't worth your time

makes sense really

Sapozhnik
Jan 2, 2005

Nap Ghost

what's that in Operating Thetan levels i wanna be a space wizard

Progressive JPEG
Feb 19, 2003


hey i saw a volvo stationwagon on the 280 yesterday weaving through lanes with a nurburgring logo on the back

was it u

The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?

Progressive JPEG posted:

hey i saw a volvo stationwagon on the 280 yesterday weaving through lanes with a nurburgring logo on the back

was it u

first, I want to congratulate you on saying "the 280", which is the correct way to say it.

second, no, but I appreciate your consideration.

Miley Virus
Apr 9, 2010

Cocoa Crispies posted:

the best way to get promoted is to launch something

therefore

fixing things isn't worth your time

makes sense really

almost as if that contributes to google's "launch it then shut it down a year later" methodology

The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?

Miley Virus posted:

almost as if that contributes to google's "launch it then shut it down a year later" methodology

it doesn't contribute to it, it creates it. in the same way as microsoft employees found it beneficial to sabotage other projects to make themselves look better, google employees know that fixing something is a waste of time so better let it die and do something new.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

one strange line of code to get promoted at google! eric hates it!


grep -rl "Google Talk" ./ | xargs sed -i "s/Talk/Hangouts/g"

Sappy Fingers
Jun 16, 2006

vlc owns sorry wrongs

H.P. Hovercraft posted:

advertising is extremely effective if your decisionmaking gland is fatigued after around 20 minutes of shopping or if you're at all hungry

the resultant impulse purchasing holds for everything from candybars to electronics


younger men (teens to 20s iirc) are particularly susceptible to visual advertising and apparently respond best to reds and blues and black and metallics

women are supposed to respond best to high saturation colors (so-called "gem" colors) and lots of white space



modern ad psychology is terrifying

get 24/7 urkel cosplay in here that's his jam
imagine how much wasted human talent and effort is spent improving the marketing industry rather than psychology, social policy/work, etc. it's really sad imo

AWWNAW
Dec 30, 2008

Sappy Fingers posted:

imagine how much wasted human talent and effort is spent improving the marketing industry rather than psychology, social policy/work, etc. it's really sad imo

better living through consumption though

cremnob
Jun 30, 2010

reading about all the management incompetence and institutional barriers at google make me lol cause they'll always be a paper tiger

cremnob
Jun 30, 2010

and god willing we'll get an epic anti trust take down

http://online.wsj.com/articles/google-faces-fresh-antitrust-complaint-in-europe-1402941192

The Management
Jan 2, 2010

sup, bitch?

cremnob posted:

the management incompetence

wtf bro, uncalled for

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raminasi
Jan 25, 2005

a last drink with no ice

Sappy Fingers posted:

imagine how much wasted human talent and effort is spent improving the marketing industry rather than psychology, social policy/work, etc. it's really sad imo

when i was in college one time I overheard some guy getting his bachelor's in business be all excited about amazing advances in marketing stuff to four-year-olds and it was revolting

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