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BULBASAUR posted:This is Slaanesh: [cue song and dance] It's fun to stay at the  EYE OF TERROR
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Deino posted:Not even close. A Fantasy Giant is comparable to a Dreadknight in size. While Fantasy kits have been getting surprisingly large in recent years, none have yet to come close to the sheer mass of a Stompa. I've just assembled a stompa and the thing is enormous. The torso is bigger than a monolith.  To get an idea of scale have a look at the size of the ork boy in the cockpit
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This is probably a long-shot, but has anyone tried running a venerable land raider since 7th edition hit? I'm thinking that with the new damage table it'd be even harder to kill though I realize it wouldn't do anything to mitigate glancing hits. Is it worth the extra 30 points on top of an already expensive vehicle? Edit: I'm not typically one for mathhammer, but I'm bored at work with Excel open. The upgrade would drop a close-range BS 4 meltagun shot from a 13% chance of scoring an explosion to 4.3%. That's assuming you'd only force a re-roll on an explosion result, but that's not bad at all. Safety Factor fucked around with this message at 12:11 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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Jun 18, 2014 11:33
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The Stompa's price seems vaguely reasonable to me now, seeing how HUGE the thing is. I mean, I could compare to a Master Grade Gundam or something, but I'm pretty certain those get bigger production runs (and may have less mass, thinking about it.) I want one. BULBASAUR posted:This is Slaanesh: That is fantastic. Unironically fantastic. Esser-Z fucked around with this message at 11:49 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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Safety Factor posted:This is probably a long-shot, but has anyone tried running a venerable land raider since 7th edition hit? I'm thinking that with the new damage table it'd be even harder to kill though I realize it wouldn't do anything to mitigate glancing hits. Is it worth the extra 30 points on top of an already expensive vehicle? What codex allows you to take venerable land raiders? edit: Dark Angels? A 50S RAYGUN fucked around with this message at 13:05 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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SUPER NEAT TOY posted:What codex allows you to take venerable land raiders? Dark Angels codex. If you take a Land Raider as a Dedicated Transport for Deathwing Command / Terminators / Knights, the Land raider MUST take the Deathwing Vehicle upgrade for 30 points. Deathwing Vehicle is basically Venerable rolled together with Preferred Enemy: Chaos Space Marines. Kind of a shame Ironclads can't be Venerable...
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SUPER NEAT TOY posted:What codex allows you to take venerable land raiders? Dark Angels. I originally had "Deathwing vehicle" somewhere in my original post and erased it. 
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I guess scoring DV Land Raiders can be cute. I don't know what's in vogue for Deathwing lists these days but bog-standard Deathwing Terminators still are not very good and you're paying at least 480 points for that Land Raider.
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SUPER NEAT TOY posted:I guess scoring DV Land Raiders can be cute. I don't know what's in vogue for Deathwing lists these days but bog-standard Deathwing Terminators still are not very good and you're paying at least 480 points for that Land Raider. It's actually possible to take a Deathwing vehicle in the normal heavy support slot thanks to the FAQ. I hadn't even thought of giving one to a regular Deathwing squad until now though. It would make a lot of sense in a Deathwing army since they'd benefit from that objective secured thing. Dedicated transports benefit from that, right? The thing is, I don't play full Deathwing since my typical 2+ saves would see me tabled in a couple of turns. My plan was to just cram a Deathwing crusader full of Deathwing knights led by a souped-up interrogator-chaplain.  This is a terrible idea, but should be  /fun as hell.
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Jun 18, 2014 13:46
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While I'm planning conversions... Terminator bodies. Ork heads. Spoikey bits. Aww yeah. Mostly I want to paint some terminators, but I don't really want to do any Spehss Mehreen stuff. So I'll kill two birds with one stone and get some MANZ out of it!
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With all the new codex hoopla I have a for real, no bullshit question: why are Orks Initiative 2? I guess it sort of made sense back in 5th or maybe it was 4th, when Furious Charge would add to both Strength and Initiative on the charge. But they swing as slow than the baseline for the terrible, terrible assault armies Tau & Necrons. Everything in their fluff counters the idea of some ponderously slow force (or completely melee-inept one as in the Tau’s case). As an Ork player, I don’t want the best of everything all the time but this one little factor has bothered me since FC was changed. I would almost be willing to trade the 6+ FNP that’s rumored if it meant I at least swung my choppa at the same time as some scrub Guardsmen.
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It really doesn't make sense that their initiative 2. Actually I don't think they always were initiative 2 either.
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Safety Factor posted:This is probably a long-shot, but has anyone tried running a venerable land raider since 7th edition hit? I'm thinking that with the new damage table it'd be even harder to kill though I realize it wouldn't do anything to mitigate glancing hits. Is it worth the extra 30 points on top of an already expensive vehicle? Springfield Fatts posted:With all the new codex hoopla I have a for real, no bullshit question: why are Orks Initiative 2? I guess it sort of made sense back in 5th or maybe it was 4th, when Furious Charge would add to both Strength and Initiative on the charge. But they swing as slow than the baseline for the terrible, terrible assault armies Tau & Necrons. SRM fucked around with this message at 15:02 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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Initiative 3 is only going to benefit you against charging Astra Militarum, Adepta Sororitas, Tau, and Necrons. All four of these armies are already screwed if 30 Orks charge them, whether they take a couple casualties before swinging or not. All other armies are I4+ and the difference between I2-3 doesn't matter. The entire idea of Orks is the crushing mass of bodies and that killing a couple before they get their shots in means nothing when you're taking eighty attacks in return. If Orks were faster Initiative-wise it would be fine but they'd have to re-balance the units to less attacks, etc, and the flavor of the Orky diceroll would suffer as a result.
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Jun 18, 2014 15:24
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Hm. Anyone know if standard size heads (Specifically, Mantic Warpath Marauder infantry heads) would look fine in Terminator armor or if I'd need something like Nob heads? I mean, I'm planning to get some Nobs soon (possibly before the Terminator bodies) anyway, but it'd be good to know what I'm going to need.
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Jun 18, 2014 15:25
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I'd love to see Orks be able to make units larger than 30. Let me field ALL THE ORKS.
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Esser-Z posted:Hm. Anyone know if standard size heads (Specifically, Mantic Warpath Marauder infantry heads) would look fine in Terminator armor or if I'd need something like Nob heads?
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Esser-Z posted:While I'm planning conversions... Terminator bodies. Ork heads. Spoikey bits. Aww yeah. Terminator MANz are...less than impressive, unless you add bulk around the way. A regular Nob torso is roughly 50% of an entire terminator's size altogether, nevermind all the weedy joint bits; looked like I'd stuffed tanks into tuna cans. 'Grats if you can make it work by adding bulk, like, everywhere, but I couldn't. PierreTheMime posted:Initiative 3 is only going to benefit you against charging Astra Militarum, Adepta Sororitas, Tau, and Necrons. All four of these armies are already screwed if 30 Orks charge them, whether they take a couple casualties before swinging or not. All other armies are I4+ and the difference between I2-3 doesn't matter. The entire idea of Orks is the crushing mass of bodies and that killing a couple before they get their shots in means nothing when you're taking eighty attacks in return. If Orks were faster Initiative-wise it would be fine but they'd have to re-balance the units to less attacks, etc, and the flavor of the Orky diceroll would suffer as a result. Orks will never reach any of these shooting (or flamer, in the case of AS) armies in a mob of a full 30, though--and since the WS chart only extends from 3-5 for hits, WS doesn't make that big a difference at all. My bro frequently brings up how a couple of puny guardsmen who don't know which end the bayonet goes on can waltz up and hit a demon lord on a 5, when the lord still only can swat them back on a 3+ without the benefits of the BS chart's re-rolls for higher scores. Shooting armies should fear assault armies' charges as much as assault armies fear shooting. Proletariat Beowulf fucked around with this message at 16:02 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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SRM posted:Terminators look absolutely terrible as Mega Armored Nobz stand ins. Their proportions are entirely different, and the aesthetics are all wrong. I've seen them converted to look good all of one time ever, and even then, it was with a lot of plasticard and green stuff work. Awww. Hmm. Well, the MANZ part was just a 'if I ever play these dudes' thing. I mostly just like terminator minis, but not mehreens, but I do like orks! Looted stuff is cool! So, orks in terminator gear! I don't plan on doing Marines at any point, but I really like the look of Terminators. I could just do a few up for fun, but... Hrm. They also too scrawny for regular boyz in looted armor, or do they just not work well?
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PierreTheMime posted:Initiative 3 I get your basic argument, but if this was solely the case why would they have bothered giving every unit Furious Charge which at the time added Initiate? The whole point was to spur you to get in there aggressively and swing first, like a proper greenskin should. SRM is right that it makes the feel of hyped up boyz on the charge an overall better component. In a perfect world the 'Ere We Go rumor that gets dredged up would address this, but most likely that'll just be a charge range reroll or something.
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Proletariat Beowulf posted:Terminator MANz are...less than impressive, unless you add bulk around the way. A regular Nob torso is roughly 50% of an entire terminator's size altogether, nevermind all the weedy joint bits; looked like I'd stuffed tanks into tuna cans. 'Grats if you can make it work by adding bulk, like, everywhere, but I couldn't. Springfield Fatts posted:I get your basic argument, but if this was solely the case why would they have bothered giving every unit Furious Charge which at the time added Initiate? The whole point was to spur you to get in there aggressively and swing first, like a proper greenskin should. SRM is right that it makes the feel of hyped up boyz on the charge an overall better component. In a perfect world the 'Ere We Go rumor that gets dredged up would address this, but most likely that'll just be a charge range reroll or something. PierreTheMime fucked around with this message at 15:58 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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thiswayliesmadness posted:Meeplemart has a good gaming space for 40k, though they recently moved locations and are now a bit south on Spadina. Dueling Grounds is between Lansdowne and Dufferin station with a basement holding some nice terrain pieces, but don't expect a pick up game there easily. Not sure when DG has it's 40k nights but I think Meeplemart's still on Sundays. There was talk of Meeplemart possibly banning 40k after the last round of GW bullshit they had to deal with but I seriously doubt that'll happen in the near future. Meeplemart recently got annoyed at GW about the 7th edition release, so you might call and ask if you can still play it before you head over. If you are out the West end you can try: Heavy Support Games 1120 The Queensway Toronto, Ontario, Canada
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PierreTheMime posted:Because Furious Charge is a universal special rule and many other armies took advantage of it to give them the bonus to jump from I4 to I5 and best most I4 armies in combat. Furious Charge was not specifically created for Orks. I...know? As a guy who's other army is Worldeaters believe me, I know that.
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Safety Factor posted:This is probably a long-shot, but has anyone tried running a venerable land raider since 7th edition hit? I'm thinking that with the new damage table it'd be even harder to kill though I realize it wouldn't do anything to mitigate glancing hits. Is it worth the extra 30 points on top of an already expensive vehicle? Safety Factor posted:It's actually possible to take a Deathwing vehicle in the normal heavy support slot thanks to the FAQ. I hadn't even thought of giving one to a regular Deathwing squad until now though. It would make a lot of sense in a Deathwing army since they'd benefit from that objective secured thing. Dedicated transports benefit from that, right? The thing is, I don't play full Deathwing since my typical 2+ saves would see me tabled in a couple of turns. My plan was to just cram a Deathwing crusader full of Deathwing knights led by a souped-up interrogator-chaplain. SUPER NEAT TOY posted:I guess scoring DV Land Raiders can be cute. I don't know what's in vogue for Deathwing lists these days but bog-standard Deathwing Terminators still are not very good and you're paying at least 480 points for that Land Raider. Yes, I have absolutely done this and it is amazing (though deathwing knights are terrible so I just used LC/TH terminators with a jump pack chaplain instead). Park a 14 AV 4 HP reroll-pen-results objective secured Crusader and ventilate any opposing Troops that get close, while delivering crazy payload. I think I posted it earlier in the thread but my list is: Belial Chaplain w/ jump pack, melta bombs 10x Termies w/ 2x HF 5x Termies w/ AC 5x Termies w/ AC LRC w/ 7x Assault termies (4x TH) The 3 walking squads all DW assault in, Belial with the flamers so they can be perfectly placed for the flamer templates, LRC zooms up the board; enemy gets 1 turn of shooting at the army and then you assault absolutely everything
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Boon posted:Warp Spiders are such terrible models and painting just two of them is sapping my will to warham. Do what I did, buy DE Scourges to convert into Warp Spiders. If you drop the wings, use the "faceless" heads that come with a lot of the Wych/Reaver kits, and use Haywire Blasters/Shredders, they actually look pretty good. I loved the Warp Spider model back when I was fourteen. The fact that it hasn't been updated since then is a travesty. Safety Factor posted:This is probably a long-shot, but has anyone tried running a venerable land raider since 7th edition hit? I'm thinking that with the new damage table it'd be even harder to kill though I realize it wouldn't do anything to mitigate glancing hits. Is it worth the extra 30 points on top of an already expensive vehicle? So here's the thing: your chances of being Exploded are, generally, speaking, pretty small. For Meltaguns and stuff not ignorable, but generally pretty low. Venerable is mostly gonna be useful for knocking Immobilizes and stuff down the Shaken/Stunned so that you can still deliver your cargo. And that's not a bad thing, mind you, but in 7E you're mostly going to die to HP loss, even on something like a Land Raider. Haywire, Entropic, Knights/Wraithknights, Carnifexes, Gauss, etc, will all still gently caress you up good and proper even with the Venerable upgrade. It's not awful, but it is a pretty fair chunk of points for something that won't save you from one of your more common ways to die. However, since it is a mandatory choice when buying one as a dedicated transport for a Deathwing squad, all of this is kind of moot- Land Raiders with Objective Secured are pretty badass and probably worth taking. Maybe not tournament-winning good, but when that giant AV14 box tank shocks onto an objective at the end of a game and ruins someone's day, it will all be worth it. Springfield Fatts posted:With all the new codex hoopla I have a for real, no bullshit question: why are Orks Initiative 2? I guess it sort of made sense back in 5th or maybe it was 4th, when Furious Charge would add to both Strength and Initiative on the charge. But they swing as slow than the baseline for the terrible, terrible assault armies Tau & Necrons. Well, there's two bits to this: the game balance one and the fluff one. Balance-wise, Orks are I2 to compensate for them getting a very strong statline elsewhere- WS4 T4 A2 for 6pts is HUGE, not to mention Mob Rule, Furious Charge, and Waaaaagh. If you line an Ork Boy up to something like a Guardsman or Hormagaunt, they blow them away on almost every single front- the weak Initiative value is part of why they can get away with having very good numbers elsewhere while still being priced so aggressively. The fluff version is a little more tenuous, but in my mind at least it boils down to the fact that Orks are dumb as toast. They might not be slow per se, but they are easily feinted, don't have the unnatural speed of reflexes of the Eldar, etc, and even a normal human can probably see their wildly-telegraphed blows coming well in advance. All of these factors combine to make when end up with a low Initiative value and are consistent with their general portrayal in the fiction as well as the way orcs in other media tend to be represented. Orks (and orcs) are tough and strong, but rely on being able to take their lumps and keep fighting in order to come out on top rather than any kind of fancy shenanigans or whatnot.
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Okay, sounds like Nobz are too big to fuse with Terminator armor. What about normal boyz heads? I don't see why that couldn't work fine, and I have spares, so... (Wel,l Mantic Marauder heads, but they should be around the same size and stuff!)
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Orking out the arms works OK, as does cutting the armor in half and then placing over a boy's torso. Come to think of it, that'd make for great 'ardboyz.
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It's not that they're just too weedy or whatever (although that is a factor), it's that the proportions and posture are completely wrong. So I'm not just making GBS threads on ideas here, nkelsch on Dakka has some neat Meganob conversions:   And he did a hard to read tutorial: 
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Hmm. Okay. Those do look pretty good, but  . I wasn't planning on anything nearly that extensive.  I guess worst case I'll just end up painting some Terminators to display fighting my Boyz or something. Basically the idea was some orks got their hands on Terminator gear and decided to use it, because that's what orks do. But it if wouldn't look good, well, I'm not totally attached to it! I've got spare heads, so I might look for a cheap body and try one out to see how it ends up, before deciding for sure!
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Wasn't there a Dust Tactics unit that was pretty cheap comparatively that worked for MANZ? Or am I thinking of killa kans...
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Springfield Fatts posted:Wasn't there a Dust Tactics unit that was pretty cheap comparatively that worked for MANZ? Or am I thinking of killa kans... You are probably thinking of AT-43's Red Blok Colussuses, which make good MANZ:  They were cheap, but are getting harder to find now. Dagon fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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Dust has some good stuff for kanz. You could MANZ them, but they'd be really over sized. If you can find a place with AT-43 stuff in the discount bin, the ape faction converts up to MANZ well and there's other units that make cheap kanz.
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Hey guys, KR Multicase threw a bunch of used stuff they need to unload onto eBay. Worth checking if you're looking for something to carry your space barbies in. http://stores.ebay.co.uk/the-kr-multicase-shop/_i.html?rt=nc&_pgn=1&_ipg=48
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 Incursion APEs would work but I don't know the price to them.
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Drake_263 posted:...Is the dude on the right blowing bubblegum? Seems he's not quite ready to kick rear end.
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AndyElusive posted:Hey guys, KR Multicase threw a bunch of used stuff they need to unload onto eBay. Worth checking if you're looking for something to carry your space barbies in. Right after I bought three cases for my Ultramarines  Direwolf posted:Seems he's not quite ready to kick rear end.  
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Direwolf posted:Yes, I have absolutely done this and it is amazing (though deathwing knights are terrible so I just used LC/TH terminators with a jump pack chaplain instead). Park a 14 AV 4 HP reroll-pen-results objective secured Crusader and ventilate any opposing Troops that get close, while delivering crazy payload.  AbusePuppy posted:So here's the thing: your chances of being Exploded are, generally, speaking, pretty small. For Meltaguns and stuff not ignorable, but generally pretty low. Venerable is mostly gonna be useful for knocking Immobilizes and stuff down the Shaken/Stunned so that you can still deliver your cargo. And that's not a bad thing, mind you, but in 7E you're mostly going to die to HP loss, even on something like a Land Raider.
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Hollismason posted:It really doesn't make sense that their initiative 2. Actually I don't think they always were initiative 2 either. I'm pretty sure they have always been I2. They used to have the same profile as WHFB Orcs, trading a point of I for an extra point of T. 3E 40K is when their profile was changed to WS4 BS2 A2. It makes sense from the perspective that Orks are supposed to be less agile and coordinated than Humans.
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