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Loving Africa Chaps posted:
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Healbot posted:Professional football is doped to the gills, don't delude yourself into thinking your domestic league is safe from that. If there's money on the line you better believe people will go to lengths to secure a certain level of performance. It'd break my heart if the source of Jimmy Milner's stamina was a needle 
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Jun 18, 2014 11:20
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I don't know how it was in other countries, but here in Germany, "doping in football is pointless, it's a team/finesse sport!" was accepted truth until at least halfway into the 00's. No idea why anyone ever believed that a stamina sport wouldn't benefit from doping, I think they just really wanted to believe it because reality scared them.
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Jun 18, 2014 11:27
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Theres a pretty good quote from Gary Neville about the Euro 96 semi final, where one of the physios came around with a 'pain killing' injection.
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Jun 18, 2014 11:40
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serious gaylord posted:Theres a pretty good quote from Gary Neville about the Euro 96 semi final, where one of the physios came around with a 'pain killing' injection. I always wonder whether the players themselves are cognisant of what's going on, or if they're just handed stuff by the club that they assume must be legit.
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Jun 18, 2014 11:46
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All elite sport should have no needle policies
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Jun 18, 2014 11:47
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serious gaylord posted:Theres a pretty good quote from Gary Neville about the Euro 96 semi final, where one of the physios came around with a 'pain killing' injection. quote:"Hoddle took over from Venables and it's been said before: if only he had possessed the man-management skills to go with his undoubted football intelligence. He was a very good coach who wanted England to play the right way. Only thing I could find
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Jun 18, 2014 11:53
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Katana Gomai posted:I don't know how it was in other countries, but here in Germany, "doping in football is pointless, it's a team/finesse sport!" was accepted truth until at least halfway into the 00's. No idea why anyone ever believed that a stamina sport wouldn't benefit from doping, I think they just really wanted to believe it because reality scared them.
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Jun 18, 2014 11:55
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I don't get it, are you saying that C Ronaldo and Robben would have something to gain from running faster than their opponents? No way, all you need is technique.
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Jun 18, 2014 12:14
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Loving Africa Chaps posted:If people want a doping thread i'm happy to make one like it did for the 2012 olympics I'd be genuinely interested in this as well. peanut- posted:I always wonder whether the players themselves are cognisant of what's going on, or if they're just handed stuff by the club that they assume must be legit. Wenger spoke about this in 2004: quote:We have had some players come to us at Arsenal from other clubs abroad and their red blood cell count has been abnormally high. That kind of thing makes you wonder. There are clubs who dope their players without the players knowing. The club might say that they were being injected with vitamins and the player would not necessarily know that it was something different.
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Jun 18, 2014 12:15
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Syncopated posted:I don't get it, are you saying that C Ronaldo and Robben would have something to gain from running faster than their opponents? No way, all you need is technique.
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Jun 18, 2014 12:15
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Katana Gomai posted:I don't know how it was in other countries, but here in Germany, "doping in football is pointless, it's a team/finesse sport!" was accepted truth until at least halfway into the 00's. No idea why anyone ever believed that a stamina sport wouldn't benefit from doping, I think they just really wanted to believe it because reality scared them. I read a post like that here in TRP not that long ago, so it's not exclusive to Germany (just like doping).
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Jun 18, 2014 12:38
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Machinegunboyo posted:How much do you know about the case bru? I was wondering what exactly was happening and what WADA were up to, but I can't find a great deal. Information about this case is understandably very hard to come by, but the general consensus is that when, not if WADA get their hands on these samples there will be some major shakeups. It will then be down to each sports authority to act on this information, so expect cycling to come down the hardest and tennis to ignore it completely. The spanish authorities are fighting tooth and nail to prevent these samples from getting into WADA's hands. That should tell you exactly how big this is.
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Jun 18, 2014 12:44
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If Spain are doping they're pretty poo poo at it since they're so one paced. Alba's the only player with very good speed. Can't wait to see Chile tear them apart tonight. 
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Painkiller posted:If Spain are doping they're pretty poo poo at it since they're so one paced. Alba's the only player with very good speed. The high pressing tiki taka passing game was reliant on good stamina. All of a sudden not only Barca, but other spanish teams known for their pressing have all lost that. Wonder what might have happened?
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Jun 18, 2014 12:56
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Syncopated posted:I don't get it, are you saying that C Ronaldo and Robben would have something to gain from running faster than their opponents? No way, all you need is technique. In this case, it's safe to say that Berbatov don't dope.
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Jun 18, 2014 13:14
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serious gaylord posted:The high pressing tiki taka passing game was reliant on good stamina. All of a sudden not only Barca, but other spanish teams known for their pressing have all lost that. Wonder what might have happened? That's true of course. I wasn't trying to use their sluggishness as evidence that they aren't doping, just laughing at how slow they are. Spain's lack of dynamism in the centre is a real problem for them. De Vrij and Martins Indi were able to follow Iniesta and Silva all over the place because they knew that neither Xavi, Alonso or Busquets were going to run past them.
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Jun 18, 2014 13:25
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vaginal culture posted:Nah all soccer testing is a loving joke, they don't blood test (only now are starting to I think) and its only in competition testing. If testing was good, players would look like they did in the 80's again. I wouldn't go as far to say that it's just because doping that players look ripped. In the past 30 years there's been plenty of development in training methods, nutrition and general increase in knowledge about human physiology as well. That said, with the money involved and the competition for spots, getting an edge against your competition has made it far more enticing to use PED's. And being a pro athlete is pretty much a year round thing and not something you just spend a month training before the season starts. This goes for all professional sports and not only soccer. And testing for doping is woeful in all major sports leagues around the world.
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Jun 18, 2014 13:46
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Painkiller posted:That's true of course. I wasn't trying to use their sluggishness as evidence that they aren't doping, just laughing at how slow they are. Spain's lack of dynamism in the centre is a real problem for them. De Vrij and Martins Indi were able to follow Iniesta and Silva all over the place because they knew that neither Xavi, Alonso or Busquets were going to run past them. The Dutch have surpassed Spain in the doping arms race, just look at their speed skating performance in Sochi
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Jun 18, 2014 17:44
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re: doping, all the Spanish tennis players are doing it too, right? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Wimbledon_Championships_%E2%80%93_Men%27s_Singles#Seeds 9 Spanish seeds, Lol.
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Jun 18, 2014 17:56
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Fag Boy Jim posted:re: doping, all the Spanish tennis players are doing it too, right? It's widely believed Nadal is and it would be unsurprising if Novak Djokovic was too as his major trait is his insane stamina. Pretty much though they won't do anything and if they were they will wait for Federer to retire first. There are two certainties in sport: that Roger Federer will never be tested, and that Usain Bolt will never be tested. They are the golden icons.
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Jun 18, 2014 18:09
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Nadal regularly moans about how strict testing despite Tennis having the laziest testing of pretty much any major sport. Djokovic used to quit games when he was gassed then got on a "gluten free diet" and started winning regularly. All Spanish sport is tainted by the fact anyone who wins things will have almost certainly been using Fuentes. Real Sociedad's former president came out and said that there were bags of blood with player names on that he assumes were for doping and nobody did any investigated or anything
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Jun 18, 2014 18:20
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Katana Gomai posted:I don't know how it was in other countries, but here in Germany, "doping in football is pointless, it's a team/finesse sport!" was accepted truth until at least halfway into the 00's. No idea why anyone ever believed that a stamina sport wouldn't benefit from doping, I think they just really wanted to believe it because reality scared them. If we trust the rumours the west german teams from 50-70 were juiced up to their eyeballs with all kinds of poo poo. Jose posted:Nadal regularly moans about how strict testing despite Tennis having the laziest testing of pretty much any major sport. Djokovic used to quit games when he was gassed then got on a "gluten free diet" and started winning regularly. The puerto operation not only targeted spanish players and athletes.They had contacts in Germany , Italy and France.Everybody is doing it.Not that excuses anything.Also Nadal conveniently gets injured for certain months every year and comes back stronger every time.I still remember those 2008-2010 Sevilla teams that ran faster and further than everybody and how everything was due to a "magic diet". hump day bitches! fucked around with this message at 18:30 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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Jun 18, 2014 18:26
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Jose posted:All Spanish sport is tainted by the fact anyone who wins things will have almost certainly been using Fuentes. Real Sociedad's former president came out and said that there were bags of blood with player names on that he assumes were for doping and nobody did any investigated or anything
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Jun 18, 2014 20:29
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frankenfreak posted:All professional sports is tainted. Spain is the only place (outside of, like, all of cycling) where the taint is visible. Crotchless panties seem like a poor choice for sports.
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Jun 18, 2014 20:48
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Jun 18, 2014 21:57
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Jun 18, 2014 21:59
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So Del Bosque surely has to be sacked now
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Jun 18, 2014 21:59
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Jun 18, 2014 21:59
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"Hurrr durrrrr" - Spain
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Jun 18, 2014 22:00
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adios los hombres de la basura
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who are the canadians going to support now
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Jun 18, 2014 22:14
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Just....shocked and sad right now  Hats off to Chile for being the aggressor, but... wow....just....wow.
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Jun 18, 2014 22:14
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Fag Boy Jim posted:Spain seem to ruin a lot of sports I like so I hope they brutally lose all their games and crash out of their group. Wish granted
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