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ChickenOfTomorrow: Nov 11, 2012; god damn it, you've got to be kind

snype

# ? Jun 18, 2014 04:09

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# ? May 13, 2024 14:15

Valeyard: Mar 30, 2012; Grimey Drawer

suffix posted:

i made this helpful visualization and you sunk my battleship

# ? Jun 18, 2014 04:15

JewKiller 3000: Nov 28, 2006; by Lowtax

suffix posted:

i made this helpful visualization and you sunk my battleship

what a post

# ? Jun 18, 2014 06:11

Dessert Rose: May 17, 2004; awoken in control of a lucid deep dream...

suffix posted:

i made this helpful visualization and you sunk my battleship

holy poo poo

# ? Jun 18, 2014 07:54

Symbolic Butt: Mar 22, 2009; (_!_); Buglord

suffix posted:

i made this helpful visualization and you sunk my battleship

# ? Jun 18, 2014 08:36

Moist von Lipwig: Oct 28, 2006; by FactsAreUseless; Tortured By Flan

Share Bear posted:

i make apps* for a living

*appetizers

bonus comedy points: i cannot edit the source or have it run locally, i am doing it live, and firefox's and chrome's debugger doesn't allow in place editing (chrome does have live JS editing, but that also does not really work)

how are you hooking the element that you're injecting HTML into?

# ? Jun 18, 2014 14:45

gonadic io: Feb 16, 2011; >>=

what's good java style for a small self-contained program?

code:

class Butt {
    private int params;

    public static void main () {
        Butt problemButt = new Butt(poo poo);
        problemButt.buttStuff();
    }

    public Butt (int _params) {
        params = _params;
    }

    private void buttStuff () {
        // idk do some poo poo with 'params'
    }
}

vs main being inside a class Main or something completely separate to Butt

vs just making Butt's members be parameters to buttStuff which should be static instead

or these are all poo poo and i should be doing something completely different?

# ? Jun 18, 2014 15:40

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

that's fine. it doesn't really matter if its just a toy program like that. you could do it as a static method for sure, but might as well make it a class in case you want to add internal state or something.

# ? Jun 18, 2014 16:37

gonadic io: Feb 16, 2011; >>=

cool, thanks. currently busy spending 20 lines reimplementing pairs including overriding equals and hashcode, thanks java. thava.

# ? Jun 18, 2014 16:51

gonadic io: Feb 16, 2011; >>=

how many times do you think this code (or a slightly better variation of it) has been written throughout history? at least I don't need to make mine polymorphic which makes things easier

# ? Jun 18, 2014 16:53

titaniumone: Jun 10, 2001

LARD LORD posted:

how are you honking the element that you're injecting HTML into?

# ? Jun 18, 2014 17:15

Nomnom Cookie: Aug 30, 2009

AlsoD posted:

what's good java style for a small self-contained program?
code:
class Butt {
    private int params;

    public static void main () {
        Butt problemButt = new Butt(poo poo);
        problemButt.buttStuff();
    }

    public Butt (int _params) {
        params = _params;
    }

    private void buttStuff () {
        // idk do some poo poo with 'params'
    }
}
vs main being inside a class Main or something completely separate to Butt

vs just making Butt's members be parameters to buttStuff which should be static instead

or these are all poo poo and i should be doing something completely different?

just do whatever. if you do the wrong thing you'll regret it later and then you'll know not to do it

# ? Jun 18, 2014 17:23

The Leck: Feb 27, 2001

USSMICHELLEBACHMAN posted:

i did (started) the stanford one and he'd just have some data and you'd run your algorithm on that data and paste in the output

pretty easy to cheese i guess but really if you're cheating at a free course that you wont get any sort of certification or acknowledgement for, you're cheating yourself.

stanford one was neat and i enjoyed it + felt like i learned a lot.

# ? Jun 18, 2014 18:28

Careful Drums: Oct 30, 2007; by FactsAreUseless

Kevin Mitnick P.E. posted:

just do whatever. if you do the wrong thing you'll regret it later and then you'll know not to do it

learntocode.txt

I think this is for real the only way to know how to code anything

# ? Jun 18, 2014 18:57

Share Bear: Apr 27, 2004

LARD LORD posted:

how are you hooking the element that you're injecting HTML into?

It's from some other js; i've dumped and diffed the objects after they were hooked when it works and doesnt work, and they are the same; is there a more subtle reason they wouldn't be?

diff objects meaning: taking the watch expression on the object at the time of the breakpoint where it works, expanding it, copying it into a text editor, and doing the same for the second breakpoint where it fails, then running diff against the two files

js dev!!!!!

Share Bear fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Jun 18, 2014

# ? Jun 18, 2014 21:03

Nomnom Cookie: Aug 30, 2009

Careful Drums posted:

learntocode.txt

I think this is for real the only way to know how to code anything

learntoanything.txt

do something->gently caress it up->figure out why you hosed it up->do it better, its the fundamental loop of procedural learning

# ? Jun 18, 2014 22:00

Valeyard: Mar 30, 2012; Grimey Drawer

my problems is i sometimes do something too infrequently that when it comes time to do it again, i think back and cant remember how i done it the first time

# ? Jun 18, 2014 22:08

DONT THREAD ON ME: Oct 1, 2002; by Nyc_Tattoo; Floss Finder

Valeyard posted:

ive had similar problems before and cant remember exactly why it wasnt being assigned properly, but here is a line ive used before which is failry similar and i know it works, if it helps
code:
$(this).find(".whatever")[0].innerHTML=$(this).find(".whatever")[0].innerHTML.replace(x, y)

I have no idea how to develop in javascript i can write the code alright but to debug i just open up the console and start typing until i manually create whatever state im trying to test. That and console.log every thing

# ? Jun 18, 2014 23:16

SavageMessiah: Jan 28, 2009; Emotionally drained and spookified; Toilet Rascal

AlsoD posted:

cool, thanks. currently busy spending 20 lines reimplementing pairs including overriding equals and hashcode, thanks java. thava.

psst

hey kid

git a load a dis

http://projectlombok.org/

# ? Jun 19, 2014 00:52

Brain Candy: May 18, 2006

AlsoD posted:

how many times do you think this code (or a slightly better variation of it) has been written throughout history? at least I don't need to make mine polymorphic which makes things easier

the fact that you didn't spend that time looking for a less stupid thing to do means you correctly valued your time, hth

# ? Jun 19, 2014 01:09

gonadic io: Feb 16, 2011; >>=

yeah let me just install a new ide to use their library

or wait maybe use the functionality from java.util.Map.Entry which is pretty much exactly what I'd want although the hash implementation is key.hash() ^ value.hash() so i'd still have to overwrite that

why is Map.Entry specialised and hidden away when it's very general and could be in the standard library? java!

# ? Jun 19, 2014 01:14

SavageMessiah: Jan 28, 2009; Emotionally drained and spookified; Toilet Rascal

AlsoD posted:

yeah let me just install a new ide to use their library

wtf are you talking about

# ? Jun 19, 2014 01:36

gonadic io: Feb 16, 2011; >>=

SavageMessiah posted:

wtf are you talking about

oh i misread it, works with netbeans and eclipse (only).

# ? Jun 19, 2014 01:37

Brain Candy: May 18, 2006

since you are using an ide, use google to find the magic spell that implements hashcode+equals by value :jerkbag:

# ? Jun 19, 2014 01:40

SavageMessiah: Jan 28, 2009; Emotionally drained and spookified; Toilet Rascal

AlsoD posted:

oh i misread it, works with netbeans and eclipse (only).

oh look what's this

http://plugins.jetbrains.com/plugin/6317

for the only ide that matters

and for wierdo clowns that don't use an ide for java it works just with javac too :toot:

# ? Jun 19, 2014 01:43

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

in eclipse you can right click and then generate source and then equals/hashcode. it doesn't work w/ every class but most pojos it should be fine for. if u wanna be incredibly lazy i think commons-lang or something has a thing where you can just do like

Java code:

public boolean equals(Object obj) 
{
	return imalazyshit.doEqualsForMe(obj,this);
}

# ? Jun 19, 2014 01:47

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

there was a thing in project lobmock that i didn't like but i dont remember what it was.

# ? Jun 19, 2014 01:49

SavageMessiah: Jan 28, 2009; Emotionally drained and spookified; Toilet Rascal

I dunno I just like my having my tostring and getters and poo poo without my classes being cluttered up with generated garbage. I suppose code folding sorta solves that too though.

At work we honestly don't use much of lombok aside from @Data but that's the important part IMHO, a lot of the rest is a little too magical.

especially val jfc

# ? Jun 19, 2014 02:08

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

i agree tho if eclipse is gonna have its own common method generator you should be able to mark the class as needing it and have eclipse auto (re)generate it as needed and leave it folded by default.

# ? Jun 19, 2014 02:11

Nomnom Cookie: Aug 30, 2009

pair isn't in std lib because you're supposed to make pojos i assume

heres what you do

reference the class, quick-fix generate it. add ur fields public final. quick-fix generate a constructor that sets the fields

bam pojo. private final w/getters is only a little more work so you can do that if ur a fag

# ? Jun 19, 2014 23:21

Nomnom Cookie: Aug 30, 2009

btw shaggar. you said jaxb is good. my experience has been that shaggar is right about java stuff so i tried it

the problem is

jaxb is poo poo. its so bad that i'm pretty sure when people say they hate xml they actually mean jaxb or related oxm poo poo

# ? Jun 19, 2014 23:24

Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

hi tpsz/h. i am a terrible programmer.

a thing i do a lot of is farting around with raw binary files with toy programs. currently i use c# for this, but are there any even easier options? lotta these higher level languages seem to really really dislike byte/bit janitoring. i want like c-strength bit-janitoring but with modern file i/o and com port i/o and yknow that sort of poo poo

like i said c# is p dece at this so i dont care too much but is there anything better?

# ? Jun 20, 2014 17:10

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

Kevin Mitnick P.E. posted:

btw shaggar. you said jaxb is good. my experience has been that shaggar is right about java stuff so i tried it

the problem is

jaxb is poo poo. its so bad that i'm pretty sure when people say they hate xml they actually mean jaxb or related oxm poo poo

what are you doing wrong? jaxb works fine

# ? Jun 20, 2014 17:11

more like dICK: Feb 15, 2010; This is inevitable.

Bloody posted:

hi tpsz/h. i am a terrible programmer.

a thing i do a lot of is farting around with raw binary files with toy programs. currently i use c# for this, but are there any even easier options? lotta these higher level languages seem to really really dislike byte/bit janitoring. i want like c-strength bit-janitoring but with modern file i/o and com port i/o and yknow that sort of poo poo

like i said c# is p dece at this so i dont care too much but is there anything better?

Erlang/Elixir bit janitoring is very pleasant but very slow.

# ? Jun 20, 2014 17:46

Nomnom Cookie: Aug 30, 2009

Shaggar posted:

what are you doing wrong? jaxb works fine

i wrote a schema and generated classes from it. the classes are poo poo. also jaxb is a dick about namespaces. i want a serialization format thats pleasant for both humans and computers and jaxb is completely failing at the pleasant for humans part

# ? Jun 20, 2014 19:09

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Kevin Mitnick P.E. posted:

i wrote a schema and generated classes from it. the classes are poo poo. also jaxb is a dick about namespaces. i want a serialization format thats pleasant for both humans and computers and jaxb is completely failing at the pleasant for humans part

gigo

# ? Jun 20, 2014 19:17

Janitor Prime: Jan 22, 2004; PC LOAD LETTER

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Kevin Mitnick P.E. posted:

i wrote a schema and generated classes from it. the classes are poo poo. also jaxb is a dick about namespaces. i want a serialization format thats pleasant for both humans and computers and jaxb is completely failing at the pleasant for humans part

Try protobuf it works great for machines and humans. Basically you create .proto files which are the equivalent of an xsd and generates code, it has bindings for java, python and c by default. There are 3rd party binding for other languages as well if you need them.

Here's the language guide for defining the .proto files https://developers.google.com/protocol-buffers/docs/proto

I have it all mavenized using this config: http://pastebin.com/vP28qJLB

The java bindings let you target two runtimes, so I optimize for SPEED on the server and for the LITE_RUNTIME on the android clients. With that config I can just drop .proto files in src/main/proto and maven will compile it just like the jaxb stuff. Each protobuf file has this header defined in the beginning

code:

option optimize_for = ${proto.optimize_for};

The only thing you need to do externally with my config is download the protoc compiler and have it somewhere on your path.
https://code.google.com/p/protobuf/downloads/list

Janitor Prime fucked around with this message at 20:04 on Jun 20, 2014

# ? Jun 20, 2014 19:51

Shaggar: Apr 26, 2006

nah don't use google abandonware. just fix your schema or maybe do code first instead.

# ? Jun 20, 2014 20:01

Janitor Prime: Jan 22, 2004; PC LOAD LETTER

What da fuck does that mean; Fun Shoe

It's way leaner than than SOAP on iOS and Android which is a big requirement for us. I've gone whole hog and made a Spring HttpMessageConverter that lets me receive protobuf objects from the clients using regular Controllers and Spring MVC. Also it might not be getting many updates, but it's stable as hell.

# ? Jun 20, 2014 20:10

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Bloody: Mar 3, 2013

protobufs are good

# ? Jun 20, 2014 20:20

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