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don't really need to read a thread though if your intent is to feel superior to a subforum. reading is only something people do when they want to engage with a topic and not just post whatever for example, monster trucks: good or bad? really by now we should have figured this out
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It's not bad for a white person to have pride in their heritage and culture. Publicly expressing said pride is at best gauche and at worst signifies affiliation with white supremacists so you shouldn't do it.
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Just feel good about who you are, remember to introspect, and keep in mind that Jesus was a Jew and he loves us all. Zulu be with you.
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Jun 18, 2014 19:47
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Would whites send the Irish to drain malaria ridden swamps for meager wages if they could?
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Jun 18, 2014 19:47
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Impatient Skype JO posted:Being able to drink all the mayonnaise you like without worrying what anyone will say. Or being able to leave the house smelling like hotdog water without feeling gross. Or having weird, clammy hands and not even trying to do something about it. IT'S A LOOFA!
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Jun 18, 2014 20:06
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Y'all racists, saying "white people" when you mean US Anglo-Saxons, they're not all the white people in the world. Also, what's with addressing even them by skin color, the proper terminology is "european-american" TYVM 
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Jun 18, 2014 20:06
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Pyromancer posted:Y'all racists, saying "white people" when you mean US Anglo-Saxons, they're not all the white people in the world. Yeah everybody knows white europeans are waaaaaay less racist quote:Paris: Boy, 16, in coma after ‘being dragged from Roma camp and attacked’
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Jun 18, 2014 20:13
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SedanChair posted:Yeah everybody knows white europeans are waaaaaay less racist
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Jun 18, 2014 20:16
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quote:Yeah everybody knows white europeans are waaaaaay less racist Those aren't necessarily "white Europeans": fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierrefitte-sur-Seine posted:En 1999, 64,5 % des jeunes de moins de 18 ans étaient d'origine étrangère (au moins un parent immigré) et en 2005, les jeunes d’origine maghrébine, subsaharienne ou turque sont devenus majoritaires dans la commune Assuming younger residents are more likely to use violence, and it happened in a town with a disproportionate number of non-indigenous inhabitants, it may well be that the attackers were "un-white".
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Jun 18, 2014 20:22
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Ha. What do you mean "If they could"? Although blacks did play a minor part in securing thier rights, we got rid of slavery and segregation because thats what white america wanted. Blacks did not take thier freedom and rights by force, a majority off white americans decided to stop being oppessors. If we were a truly evil country we could exterminate the blacks ala like the nazis did the jews. we dont have slavery because white america doesnt want slavery. So asking if we would if we could is a nonsencical question.
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Jun 18, 2014 20:23
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WorldsStrongestNerd posted:Ha. What do you mean "If they could"? Although blacks did play a minor part in securing thier rights, we got rid of slavery and segregation because thats what white america wanted. On the other hand, recorded history.
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Jun 18, 2014 20:26
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The real question is why aren't the blacks grateful to white people for abolition and civil rights, victories that occurred despite the minor black contributions to these grand achievements of White America? VVVVVV Also not pictured: US Troops literally escorting black children to school. Hey, we deserve credit for finally abandoning Jim Crow, which we were cool with until we were faced directly with the choice of committing genocide in a race war or relenting and letting blacks have rights. We didn't choose genocide, but do black people give us credit? Noooooooo. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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Jun 18, 2014 20:30
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"Majority of white America wanted" not shown pictured the half of white America with no say because there's a rightfully so boot on their neck at the time.
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Jun 18, 2014 20:30
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paranoid randroid posted:On the other hand, recorded history.
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WorldsStrongestNerd posted:If we were a truly evil country we could exterminate the blacks ala like the nazis did the jews. we dont have slavery because white america doesnt want slavery. So asking if we would if we could is a nonsencical question. I just love that you genuinely want a pat on the head and a cookie for not rounding up blacks into concentration camps and committing full-on genocide when black people started ignoring laws against them sitting at whites-only lunch counters.
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Jun 18, 2014 20:38
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A Buttery Pastry posted:40% of the population of the CSA was black, while only 1% of the population of the states that remained loyal was black. It's pretty obvious that White people in the North were fighting for the freedom of black people against their own will. No you see that just means there weren't enough black people in the north for the white man there to fully realize his inherent Racist Core. bango skank fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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Jun 18, 2014 20:42
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From a purely logistical standpoint, genocide or maintaining slavery was an option and it still is an option. I dont think that white america deserves points for acting like semi decent humans and choosing not to genocide. Im just pointing out that one of the many resons blacks have rights is because white america decided they were ok with blacks having rights. There is no other way that could have worked since blacks are a smaller and weaker minority of the population.
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Jun 18, 2014 20:45
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Those massive riots in the 1860s that burned large swathes of NYC to the ground were just white america exercising their exuberance for human rights.
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Jun 18, 2014 20:46
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WorldsStrongestNerd posted:Ha. What do you mean "If they could"? Although blacks did play a minor part in securing thier rights, we got rid of slavery and segregation because thats what white america wanted. Blacks did not take thier freedom and rights by force, a majority off white americans decided to stop being oppessors. If we were a truly evil country we could exterminate the blacks ala like the nazis did the jews. we dont have slavery because white america doesnt want slavery. So asking if we would if we could is a nonsencical question. Blacks played a major role in securing their rights: without freed slaves' contribution to the union war effort, it's not clear that the union would have won.
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Jun 18, 2014 20:54
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paranoid randroid posted:Those massive riots in the 1860s that burned large swathes of NYC to the ground were just white america exercising their exuberance for human rights.
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Then it sounds like "white america" did not universally desire rights for black people, and the situation is a little more complicated.
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VitalSigns posted:A good post Hey, thanks for making the effort and for this post  I came back from doing some work to find people asking me to go "be black" and suggesting that I was posting anonymously online about my work against discriminatory practices because I wanted to be praised for it, which was weird. I guess the new, "ironically" bigotted GBS is spilling over. Or maybe I just hate my own whiteness!
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paranoid randroid posted:Then it sounds like "white america" did not universally desire rights for black people, and the situation is a little more complicated.
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Universal accecptance isnt needed. You just need enough whites who want equality to overpower those who dont. And i dont think whkte america deserves credit for doing the right thing. I just think its odd that some people think white america is in danger of slipping back into old habits. We didnt want slavery anymore so we got rid of it.
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It was the single largest civil disturbance in American history. And after we ended slavery we promptly stopped giving a poo poo about civil rights for 90~ years as political quid pro quo. Anyway I have more of a problem with the assertion that the civil rights movement can be boiled down to white people generously ending segregation with minimal encouragement from black americans. paranoid randroid fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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Jun 18, 2014 21:11
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Blacks played a major role in securing their rights: without freed slaves' contribution to the union war effort, it's not clear that the union would have won. Also loling at this.
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paranoid randroid posted:It was the single largest civil disturbance in American history. paranoid randroid posted:Anyway I have more of a problem with the assertion that the civil rights movement can be boiled down to white people generously ending segregation with minimal encouragement from black americans.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:It's pretty obvious that White people in the North were fighting for the freedom of black people against their own will. white people in the north were fighting because the south broke away and attacked the north and also later because they were drafted into the army there couldn't have been that many union volunteers who went off to fight specifically against slavery WorldsStrongestNerd posted:We didnt want slavery anymore so we got rid of it. uh not even close we got rid of slavery because it was the consequence of a huge war. slavery simmered on for so long and so many whites were decidedly in favor of slavery that a war started, one of the punitive measures placed on the defeated rebels was to undercut the system that gave their leaders money and power the northern aboltionist movement's best allies were southern planters irl, if they hadn't decided to secede who knows how much longer slavery would have lingered on. conversely if the rebels had given up in 1862 who knows how long it would have taken to get the 13th amendment boner confessor fucked around with this message at 21:26 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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Jun 18, 2014 21:21
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Whites could do it, and yet they haven't. What does that say about their motivation?
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OwlBot 2000 posted:Whites could do it, and yet they haven't. What does that say about their motivation? white people aren't just stupid and mean they are also very lazy
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OwlBot 2000 posted:Whites could do it, and yet they haven't. What does that say about their motivation? Profits.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:I think the point is more that white people decided the status quo wasn't going to work anymore, due to the actions of the black community, which just left the option of giving in or getting rid of them.
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Jun 18, 2014 21:28
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WorldsStrongestNerd posted:From a purely logistical standpoint, genocide or maintaining slavery was an option and it still is an option. I dont think that white america deserves points for acting like semi decent humans and choosing not to genocide. Im just pointing out that one of the many resons blacks have rights is because white america decided they were ok with blacks having rights. There is no other way that could have worked since blacks are a smaller and weaker minority of the population. This has a grain of truth but is mostly wrong. It is true that white people were not in favor of genocide by a comfortable majority. However, most white people were happy with keeping black people legally second-class citizens as long as they didn't face mass resistance and it could be maintained with the amount of force that the legal system, police, and vigilantes could apply. The organized mass resistance of the Civil Rights Movement took away the option of having both racialist laws and also good order. It was only when black people began to disobey the law en masse, thereby presenting whites with the stark choice of relenting on civil rights or exterminating of millions of people did enough whites finally stop supporting Jim Crow. White people did not give black people civil rights. They did not "get tired" of Jim Crow. It was necessary for black people to stand up and say "No, you give us our rights or you will have to commit thousands and thousands of Sharpesvilles all over the country to preserve White Supremacy". This was not a minor contribution: this was the entire thing, minus the minor contribution whites made by saying "Okay I guess White Supremacy isn't worth perpetrating mass murder" VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 21:41 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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paranoid randroid posted:It was the single largest civil disturbance in American history. And after we ended slavery we promptly stopped giving a poo poo about civil rights for 90~ years as political quid pro quo. Yes. Blacks did a lot of work to change the minds of white america. My point is that means white america was still the deciding power. My only point is that it would not have been possible for blacks to secure their rigjts by force if white america decided to fight back. Thats why i find the white vs black attitude so silly. If the majority of whites wernt for equal rights the we would not have equal rights. Its not white vs black itsmost whites and blacks vs the racists.
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white people deserve to be applauded for creating a discriminatory system and eventually deciding to share power when enough black people complained about it thank you, whites
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WorldsStrongestNerd posted:If the majority of whites wernt for equal rights the we would not have equal rights. Its not white vs black itsmost whites and blacks vs the racists. The majority of whites weren't "for" equal rights. If they were, no black action would have been necessary. They were just against genocide more, and when they were forced to choose they gave up their attachment to legalized White Supremacy in favor of not drowning the country in blood.
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WorldsStrongestNerd posted:Yes. Blacks did a lot of work to change the minds of white america. My point is that means white america was still the deciding power. My only point is that it would not have been possible for blacks to secure their rigjts by force if white america decided to fight back. Thats why i find the white vs black attitude so silly. If the majority of whites wernt for equal rights the we would not have equal rights. Its not white vs black itsmost whites and blacks vs the racists.
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also the CRA wasn't an amendment so it didn't need to be ratified so i don't see how you can say "the majority of whites" when popular opinion didn't really matter, it was a purely legislative act, there was never a popular vote
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Like most of you are so appalled at the idea of black america not having a lot of agency and the neccessity of getting support from a large part of white america to achive thier goals, but how could it have been any other way? If blacks had any power in the society they would not of been slaves or second class citizens to begin with. Of course they had to work and convince part of white society to help.
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WorldsStrongestNerd posted:Like most of you are so appalled at the idea of black america not having a lot of agency and the neccessity of getting support from a large part of white america to achive thier goals, but how could it have been any other way? If blacks had any power in the society they would not of been slaves or second class citizens to begin with. Of course they had to work and convince part of white society to help. you're saying white people deserve more credit for the civil rights movement than black people. that's just dumb. nobody's appalled at you being dumb and wrong about history, dude. you're just wrong. this is my emotionally neutral writing tone -> you are wrong, and don't understand history "blacks had no power, they should be grateful to whites for not beating them so often imo" this is you, sounding dumb boner confessor fucked around with this message at 21:49 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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