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Nutsngum posted:Nemesis: Stupid clone wants to be evil because reasons. Wastes time despite dying IIRC, it's "stupid clone wants to destroy Romulan Star Empire for loving him over, will achieve this by destroying Federation because." Picard even asks him why, and he basically says "because shut up." Nutsngum posted:Trek09: Blames spock for reasons that dont make much sense considering. Not bad, but the worst part of the film Nero blames Spock because he was the go-between for the Federation and the Vulcan High Council, who promised to save Romulus from destruction via supernova but, in his view - and keep in mind he's completely irrational due to blind rage - hosed around and failed to live up to their word.
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Nutsngum posted:He is meant to be a brilliant scientist. Seems much more plausible he could find some way of making a ship that will guarantee him getting in...Its really just a piss poor villian motivation thats not thought through properly. Isn't that the crux of things, though? The dude is a brilliant, long-lived scientist, obsessed with getting back to the Nexus. Given that, I think it's reasonable to assume he's previously considered the obvious possibilities.
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Jun 18, 2014 21:32
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MisterBibs posted:Isn't that the crux of things, though? The dude is a brilliant, long-lived scientist, obsessed with getting back to the Nexus. Given that, I think it's reasonable to assume he's previously considered the obvious possibilities. True, and you have to realize no one knew that Kirk make it into the Nexus. So for all anyone knew, ship + nexus = death. I wonder about the people who got displaced by the Nexus. After all we see Guinan and Soren appear on the ship after it got zapped by the Nexus with Kirk, meaning they got booted out somehow. I wonder if there were people on the planet who got kicked out and were like "WTF? This isn't the nexus, what's that big super nova looking thing headed this wa...." Burning_Monk fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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Jun 18, 2014 21:42
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MisterBibs posted:Isn't that the crux of things, though? The dude is a brilliant, long-lived scientist, obsessed with getting back to the Nexus. Given that, I think it's reasonable to assume he's previously considered the obvious possibilities. I assume that he figured out that a space suit/shuttlecraft would be destroyed before he got to the Nexus. And no space government is going to let him destroy a capital ship just so he can get back to the set of Caligula. You know what? Now that I've made that joke I choose to believe that the film Caligula was just Soran's time spent in the Nexus in honor of the Bermanga commentary saying that Picard's Nexus scene should have been a roman orgy. Burning_Monk posted:I wonder about the people who got displaced by the Nexus. After all we see Guinan and Soren appear on the ship after it got zapped by the Nexus with Kirk, meaning they got booted out somehow. I wonder if there were people on the planet who got kicked out and were like "WTF? This isn't the nexus, what's that big super nova looking thing headed this wa...." Only if Scotty was there to beam them out of the Nexus too.
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Jun 18, 2014 21:57
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I think a plot that actually gave Kirk a storyline of his own in the film would have helped Generations even if you ended up keeping most else the same. Kirk instigating the TNG era Nexus developments by successfully getting free on his own during Soran's experiments might have helped. It brings him into the main story sooner, and it gives him a chance to do more. He's a wild card trying to operate and is struggling to understand the new universe he's stepped into, figure out Soran's game on his own, eventually crosses paths with TNG crew who similarly don't know what to make of him.
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JediTalentAgent posted:I think a plot that actually gave Kirk a storyline of his own in the film would have helped Generations even if you ended up keeping most else the same. That's going to be sad though, like the episode with Scotty. It feels a lot more true to the spirit of the character and the old show (not the movies, really) to just have him be up for some loving adventure without really knowing what's up. He just knows it's up to the old double-fisted hammerblow and low-swing kick to save the universe again. I actually really like the way Shatner plays his death scene. He seems to get really surprised right before he kicks. It's like he never really considered the possibility that he could die on one of his stupid, insane adventures until it actually happens.
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Jun 18, 2014 22:54
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Burning_Monk posted:Naw, they just wipe the planet. Then send some colonists over and "Hey, guys check out this planet we just discovered for you! Don't mind the craters of radiation, that should clear up in a few decades." This isn't Warhammer 40K, jesus.
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Jun 18, 2014 22:58
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Jack Gladney posted:I actually really like the way Shatner plays his death scene. He seems to get really surprised right before he kicks. It's like he never really considered the possibility that he could die on one of his stupid, insane adventures until it actually happens. My memory on it is a bit hazy, but I think Shatner said that he thought long and hard about how Kirk would react to imminent death, and figured it would be one of awe.
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:This isn't Warhammer 40K, jesus. Maybe not, or maybe it's the Trail of Tears 40k 
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MisterBibs posted:My memory on it is a bit hazy, but I think Shatner said that he thought long and hard about how Kirk would react to imminent death, and figured it would be one of awe. He says that in Movie Memories, yes (though how much of it is him and how much is Chris Kreski is an open question). Also keep in mind that Shatner had the opportunity to re-act his death scene -- as originally filmed, Kirk's last words are "The 24th century isn't so tough," gets shot in the back, then dies with a small gasp after Picard shoots Soran.
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Nutsngum posted:Also blowing up stars doesnt change their gravity Depends how you do it. Turn it largely into EM (ala a pair instability supernova) and the volume in which gauss's law results in a reduced pull will be huge.
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Burning_Monk posted:Maybe not, or maybe it's the Trail of Tears 40k It's not. "We're gonna go colonize our own planet." "Cool, awesome, best of luck!" "How about this one?" "Oh, jeez, that's right next to the Cardassians. They actually think it's theirs. We think they're wrong, but until we get this settled, could you maybe pick somewhere else?" "Nope!" "Uh, well, okay..." ~time passes~ "Hey, remember how we said the Cardassians said that was their planet and you probably shouldn't move there? Well, after losing forty starships to the Borg we're kinda not in a great position to fight over it any more..." "You can all gently caress off!" "Okay! Are you sure...? Well, okay, the Cardassians said they guess we don't have to drag you off after all, but you're basically going to be under Cardassian jurisdiction so... good luck with that..." But at the end of the day they're not as bad as the Maquis. Timby posted:He says that in Movie Memories, yes (though how much of it is him and how much is Chris Kreski is an open question). And then the test audience reaction to the ending was so overwhelmingly negative that Sherry Lansing said "here's a few million dollars for a re-shoot, get it right this time." (maybe not those exact words, but same message)
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Jun 19, 2014 00:59
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I desperately need DS9 blurays in my life. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gR7oewdXp7w
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:It's not. You are completely skipping over the part were Picard ordered his troops* to remove the people by force out of their generational homes. But you new that already since it's a major plot point of the episode. Wesley be all, "naw dog, that poo poo ain't right! Yo, dat a space-time traveling pedophile? Sup homey!" *"Security forces"
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:But at the end of the day they're not as bad as the Maquis. I thought the whole incident was the beginning of the Maquis, though? I know it is easy to forget that Chakotay was a Maquis in the first episode of Voyager.
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Jun 19, 2014 01:16
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The best part is that the episode is already a retread of that one where data blows up a aqueduct...
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Burning_Monk posted:You are completely skipping over the part were Picard ordered his troops* to remove the people by force out of their generational homes. But you new that already since it's a major plot point of the episode. If I remember right the Federation thought they were obligated to remove their people, and a last-minute renegotiation with the Cardassians was what allowed them to stay, but with the understanding* that they were to be in Cardassian jurisdiction. *there was no understanding, everyone in the ~demilitarized zone~ thought they could just have their cake and eat it too, including the Cardassian colonists
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As Federation citizens they had to be removed from their 'generational' homes that they had had for a whole 20 years due to the new treaty. By the end of the episode they were told they could stay if they gave up Federation citizenship, which they did. So no, nothing of importance is really missing from Farmer Crack-rear end's description.
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"We need to be a highlight reel together for that TNG/DS9 crossover. What should we put in it?" "MORN, RIGHT AWAY, LIKE...RIGHT AT THE BEGINNING.
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I always wondered what happened to the Native American colonists on that planet once Cardassia joined the Dominion. Probably nothing good.
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They got a Vorta to oversee and a platoon of Jem'Hadar to keep order, and the Cardassian ore refinery was shut down. Best thing to happen to them in years.
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Seriously? Was that from one of the books?
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I've posted this before and I thought about it today while watching DS9: Find yourself an audiobook about the British fighting the Japanese in Burma and let your imagination picture the most bitching war in Earth history that never happened every time you hear them mention a Jemadar.
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Apollodorus posted:Seriously? Was that from one of the books? I hope so 
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So I was at the comic shop and came across this little gem: http://issuu.com/idwpublishing/docs/st_cef_01-pr?e=1013407/8277235 It's a comic based on Harlan Ellison's original teleplay for City On The Edge Of Forever. Lot of things are different and I can see why NBC would have never let this even be filmed let alone shown with the late 60's sensibilities of the viewing public. For one thing, McCoy isn't the one who goes back in time, it's some guy who looks like Curly's mean brother. The Guardians of Forever are a line of old talking statues, and it's implied that the stresses of being in the middle of the five-year mission have caused some of the crew to become a little more decadent despite having perfect psych profiles. Roddenberry would have nipped it in the bud right off.. "There are no drug addicts in the future!" I never read the original teleplay but it's a blast for me to see it adapted into comics form, and with the full blessing of none other than Harlan himself. He seems to have whipped the Tipton brothers (the artists) into producing better art than what showed up in the ST:TNG/Doctor Who comic. I can just imagine his legendary anger being unleashed on them in a phone call.. "KIRK LOOKS LIKE HE WAS PAINTED WITH A GODDAMN CRAYOLA SET YOU FUCKWITS! DO BETTER OR ILL COME OVER THERE AND SMASH YOU OVER THE HEAD WITH YOUR GODDAMN WAKE-COMMIE TABLET!!" Edit: one of the alternate covers: 
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Sash! posted:I've posted this before and I thought about it today while watching DS9:  The Dominion wasn't actually a mirror of the Federation, it was an analogue to The British Empire!!!
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Jun 19, 2014 05:00
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Which would mean the white was tea. e: or opium
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DrSunshine posted:
What, the Founders being ugly pasty blobs didn't tip you off?
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Fister Roboto posted:What, the Founders being ugly pasty blobs didn't tip you off? 
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Apollodorus posted:I always wondered what happened to the Native American colonists on that planet once Cardassia joined the Dominion. Well the Dominion built a dilithium pipeline across their land, and when the colonists sabotaged it they were executed by the Jem'Hadar. Dominion media lamented the massacre but implied it was necessary before turning to Sports. I'm totally not talking about the future of Canada.
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Fister Roboto posted:What, the Founders being ugly pasty blobs didn't tip you off? Oi! You fukken wot m8? I'll slash yer gabber u cheeky little nob!  PS: 
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Sash! posted:I've posted this before and I thought about it today while watching DS9: I can't find the Let's Read of this, but doing a copy & paste job on this would be awesome. http://www.amazon.com/The-Jungle-Neutral-Soldiers-Two-Year/dp/1592281079 F. Spencer Chapman was one of the most  dudes in WW2, based solely on survival skills, not fighting ability.
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Mister Adequate posted:Oi! You fukken wot m8? I'll slash yer gabber u cheeky little nob! In USPol news: https://twitter.com/SethMacFarlane/status/479306791264583681
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Tighclops posted:I'm totally not talking about the future of Canada. One of these days, I will totally photoshop Harper as a Vorta.
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SouthLAnd posted:I desperately need DS9 blurays in my life. Wow, look at those yellow stripes.
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Binary Badger posted:So I was at the comic shop and came across this little gem: I heard about this a while ago and somehow missed that this was the original teleplay and not just a comic of the episode itself. I really want to freaking read this now. Also, looking at those first few pages: I love how drugs always come in gem form in the future. 
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Lowen SoDium posted:Wow, look at those yellow stripes. Dem pylons. 
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Apple Jax posted:I heard about this a while ago and somehow missed that this was the original teleplay and not just a comic of the episode itself. I really want to freaking read this now. It's five issues and the first issue sets the pace nicely. Still wondering what Mean Curly, uh, I mean Beckwith will do in the past to gently caress things up, seeing as Spock deprived him of his phaser. Maybe Ellison saw Mudd's Women and tried to riff on that. "Gee, if Gene lets people take sparkly rocks to become beautiful, he won't mind if I send somebody on a little acid trip.."
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Did they base that comic off the actual original teleplay, or the one that Ellison polished up for submission for the award?
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Apple Jax posted:I heard about this a while ago and somehow missed that this was the original teleplay and not just a comic of the episode itself. I really want to freaking read this now. The future is now!  it's crack
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