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So uh, seems a bit early but my 2014 TDI is acting up. Perhaps it was funky fuel or something, but I had an incident of misfiring after a hot restart. After starting the engine, I attempted to pull away in first, and that's when it happened. Strong vibrations from the engine and it sounded like it was firing on just two cylinders. I pushed the clutch back in and came off the accelerator. The engine returned to idle and then drove normally. This was at 9,100 miles. I'm now at 10,000. The misfire incident happened last Saturday. Yeah, I've been doing some driving. Anyway the car goes into the shop on Wednesday anyway since it's due an oil change. Thinking maybe the fuel filter is clogging? I dunno, it's picked up a bunch of diesel knock too, but I kinda figured that was due to the rings setting in and raising compression.
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Jun 17, 2014 01:48
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Dubplate Fire posted:I just purchased a 5 speed 2014 Jetta SE and was wondering if anyone has tried APR's tune for the 1.8 TSI. I looked online and haven't really seen any reviews so any insight would be welcome. I'll probably wait to see what Unitronic puts out, but I'd like to hear from someone who actually tried to the tune. No experience with the new engine, but APR generally has top notch tunes for gas engines. I wouldn't think twice about going with them.
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Jun 17, 2014 17:47
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85K mile scheduled maintenance on my B6 A4 looks like it's basically just the oil change. Dealership somehow wants $199. Technician assures me they're also going "check a lot of stuff" and grease my door hinges. You're kidding me, right Audi?
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Jun 17, 2014 19:13
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fknlo posted:No experience with the new engine, but APR generally has top notch tunes for gas engines. I wouldn't think twice about going with them. I had APR on my 04 1.8t and it was about a 40hp gain while still keeping mileage where it was before. You might try looking into the Euro forums as they have had the new 1.8t for a while. I plan on going APR when I get the R but I'm going to give it a year or 2 first until I feel like I won't need the warranty.
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Jun 17, 2014 19:25
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trouser chili posted:So uh, seems a bit early but my 2014 TDI is acting up. Perhaps it was funky fuel or something, but I had an incident of misfiring after a hot restart. After starting the engine, I attempted to pull away in first, and that's when it happened. Strong vibrations from the engine and it sounded like it was firing on just two cylinders. I pushed the clutch back in and came off the accelerator. The engine returned to idle and then drove normally. This was at 9,100 miles. I'm now at 10,000. The misfire incident happened last Saturday. Yeah, I've been doing some driving. Please keep us updated on anything that comes from this. I am at about 8,500 miles on my '13, so I am very curious if there is something I should be watching for.
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Jun 17, 2014 19:53
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I just checked my maintenance records, and its been 60k since plugs were last done. I should probably get on that, it would explain the slight drop in fuel economy over the last year haha. Might as well do wires while I'm at it.
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Jun 17, 2014 20:45
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veedubfreak posted:I had APR on my 04 1.8t and it was about a 40hp gain while still keeping mileage where it was before. You might try looking into the Euro forums as they have had the new 1.8t for a while. I plan on going APR when I get the R but I'm going to give it a year or 2 first until I feel like I won't need the warranty. My dealer is the one that is going to "chip" it, and he told me that the warranty is still. I thought this was bullshit and called another dealer, apparently if the dealer does it, its okay? It seems a little fishy to me and I might just wait a bit.
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Jun 18, 2014 06:53
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Dubplate Fire posted:My dealer is the one that is going to "chip" it, and he told me that the warranty is still. I thought this was bullshit and called another dealer, apparently if the dealer does it, its okay? It seems a little fishy to me and I might just wait a bit. This sounds pretty dubious considering most people who flash within warranty are trying to hide it from the dealer because of denied warranty claims. Regardless of what a dealer says the claim still goes to VAG for approval.
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Jun 18, 2014 06:58
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Even if a dealer does it, it is not okay. Some dealers will offer chip tuning and maybe they will honor the warranty as a dealership but there is no factory warranty support for defects due to tuned ecms, period. Once the ODIS scan tool software detects a flashed ecm during scanning a trigger flag is sent to a server which triggers in your warranty information your ecm has been tuned, as far as I am aware no person can ever remove that flag or even has access to it once it is set. You can call vw customer care and ask them, too. Don't let this dissuade you from getting a flash though, vw is very aware this is all happening, and to be honest warranty coverage being denied due to tuned ecms is really an uncommon thing. Tuned ecms didn't matter when camshafts were tearing up lifters left and right, and now they don't care if your ecm is tuned if your intake manifold runner fails, still covered. There are a lot more denied coverage claims for things like failed mass air flow sensors due to over oiled aftermarket air filters.
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Jun 18, 2014 07:22
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I was actually looking at replacing my filter, are oiled filters a bad idea? I think one I saw said the oil was 'special' and didn't affect MAFs, but 
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Jun 18, 2014 13:52
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Negromancer posted:Please keep us updated on anything that comes from this. I am at about 8,500 miles on my '13, so I am very curious if there is something I should be watching for. This also concerns me, as I'm at about 9,000 miles on my '13.
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Jun 18, 2014 14:05
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The only real problems i've had with my 13 tdi JSW is that the sunroof is a pile of poo poo. It needs to go in for a second visit to the dealer due to horrible noises that it makes while opening and closing.
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Jun 18, 2014 15:57
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devmd01 posted:I just checked my maintenance records, and its been 60k since plugs were last done. Man, are you supposed to do them that often? I didn't swap mine out until 75K. Still haven't replaced the actual coils at 85K.
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Jun 18, 2014 18:17
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420Chris posted:Even if a dealer does it, it is not okay. Some dealers will offer chip tuning and maybe they will honor the warranty as a dealership but there is no factory warranty support for defects due to tuned ecms, period. Once the ODIS scan tool software detects a flashed ecm during scanning a trigger flag is sent to a server which triggers in your warranty information your ecm has been tuned, as far as I am aware no person can ever remove that flag or even has access to it once it is set. You can call vw customer care and ask them, too. Don't let this dissuade you from getting a flash though, vw is very aware this is all happening, and to be honest warranty coverage being denied due to tuned ecms is really an uncommon thing. Tuned ecms didn't matter when camshafts were tearing up lifters left and right, and now they don't care if your ecm is tuned if your intake manifold runner fails, still covered. There are a lot more denied coverage claims for things like failed mass air flow sensors due to over oiled aftermarket air filters. TD1 flag is serious business. Being chipped is most likely going to bite you in the rear end if the turbo lets loose or the clutch goes prematurely. Things they can actually point to as wearing due to being run outside of the "specs" they were meant too. As to you folks having TDI troubles, are you sure you're not just running into a regen cycle? The first few regen cycles make the car idle like absolute poo poo and do weird things, but they eventually stop (or you get used to it). I'm coming up on 33k on my '11 and haven't had any issues other than the drat hiccup at 1900 rpms which seems to be a common issue with the ecu mapping on the TDI.
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Jun 18, 2014 18:28
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veedubfreak posted:TD1 flag is serious business. Being chipped is most likely going to bite you in the rear end if the turbo lets loose or the clutch goes prematurely. Things they can actually point to as wearing due to being run outside of the "specs" they were meant too. I saw that the APR has the ability to swap between programs, is this the kind of thing that 'hides' the fact that you have done the ECU, if you switch back to the stock ECU before you go in to get serviced? Or is this the sort of thing where you can't undo it somehow once it's been done?
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Jun 18, 2014 18:38
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tijag posted:I saw that the APR has the ability to swap between programs, is this the kind of thing that 'hides' the fact that you have done the ECU, if you switch back to the stock ECU before you go in to get serviced? Or is this the sort of thing where you can't undo it somehow once it's been done? As far as I'm tracking any modification to the ECU can be tracked. They are able to tell that some modification was done even going back to stock. Generally when the service computer is plugged into your vehicle the information gets uploaded to Audi/VW - if your vehicle is TD1 flagged, they can deny stuff based on that. Generally if I understand the laws the burden of proof is on the dealer/VW that your modification caused the issue to happen, but I've read accounts of dealerships refusing to even look at cars that have TD1 codes. Search for TD1 on the Audizine or VWVortex forums and you'll get lots of information, albeit some of it is probably exaggerated. Link on the TD1 TSB, for Audi - Should be the same for VW. While we're on the talk of warranty and codes; my car is still under warranty. I understand that installing coilovers will likely void any warranty on the suspension, but I can't imagine it would cause VW/Audi to deny service on the powertrain. I have absolutely no intention of ever touching the powertrain until post-warranty, so is the suspension something I should avoid messing with or am I good to go? Red87 fucked around with this message at 19:23 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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Jun 18, 2014 18:53
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Red87 posted:As far as I'm tracking any modification to the ECU can be tracked. They are able to tell that some modification was done even going back to stock. Generally when the service computer is plugged into your vehicle the information gets uploaded to Audi/VW - if your vehicle is TD1 flagged, they can deny stuff based on that. Generally if I understand the laws the burden of proof is on the dealer/VW that your modification caused the issue to happen, but I've read accounts of dealerships refusing to even look at cars that have TD1 codes. Search for TD1 on the Audizine or VWVortex forums and you'll get lots of information, albeit some of it is probably exaggerated. You're fine to do suspension mods it won't affect powertrain coverage.
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Jun 18, 2014 18:57
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veedubfreak posted:
The regen cycle freaked me out the first couple times that it happened, but I am used to that now. Pretty sure trouser chili is aware of them as well. Sadly my girlfriend does not appreciate me giving the car an italian tune up when I notice it....
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Jun 18, 2014 19:12
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My dad replaced his Boxster S with a 2012 Audi A5 2.0T (Boxster was wrecked and totaled). He's missing the acceleration he had with the Boxster, so I was thinking about getting him an ECU for his birthday. Is there a go-to ECU that'll give him some good bang-for-the-buck power?
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Jun 18, 2014 22:25
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Negromancer posted:The regen cycle freaked me out the first couple times that it happened, but I am used to that now. Pretty sure trouser chili is aware of them as well. Sadly my girlfriend does not appreciate me giving the car an italian tune up when I notice it.... Yeah I've been through plenty of regens, this wasn't that. Anyway, dealer said they couldn't find anything wrong with it but are now recommending non-alcohol fuel additives. Specifically they said Howes. VW has no official recommendations, but apparently this info came from a corporate VW tech to the dealership. Hearsay I suppose, maybe something worth looking deeper into. I'm worried about additives and the DPF.
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Jun 19, 2014 00:07
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veedubfreak posted:TD1 flag is serious business. Being chipped is most likely going to bite you in the rear end if the turbo lets loose or the clutch goes prematurely. Things they can actually point to as wearing due to being run outside of the "specs" they were meant too. Same here, but I'm at almost 50k. I get the hiccup around 1900RPM as well once in awhile. Otherwise no issues with the car besides a burnt out DRL. I did run Opti Lube for maybe the first 20k, but then I gave up because it was a pain in the rear end.
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Jun 19, 2014 02:10
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Had some body work done on my car (replaced a door) and I've got the ESP light stuck on, as well as steering wheel controls inoperative/flaky. Any common harnesses to check for this? Shop guys are great and are willing to scan codes and dig into it some more, but wondering if I can do any background research. 2006 A4.
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Jun 19, 2014 02:58
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raej posted:My dad replaced his Boxster S with a 2012 Audi A5 2.0T (Boxster was wrecked and totaled). He's missing the acceleration he had with the Boxster, so I was thinking about getting him an ECU for his birthday. Is there a go-to ECU that'll give him some good bang-for-the-buck power? The car already has an ECU. Are you talking about tuning it? Honestly there's not much power left on the table without actual parts swapping.
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Jun 19, 2014 03:20
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Motronic posted:The car already has an ECU. Are you talking about tuning it? Well, a re-flash or upgrade. I've had a turbo volvo, and I have a turbo BMW now. The Volvo got an ECU flash and the BMW has a piggyback system, both of which jumped the HP and torque significantly. I'm not sure what the terminology is for the 2.0T Audi engine, but I was assuming there was something similar that would up the boost and fuel mapping.
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Jun 19, 2014 03:26
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APR are the VAG guys. http://www.goapr.com/
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Jun 19, 2014 03:38
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tijag posted:I saw that the APR has the ability to swap between programs, is this the kind of thing that 'hides' the fact that you have done the ECU, if you switch back to the stock ECU before you go in to get serviced? Or is this the sort of thing where you can't undo it somehow once it's been done?
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Jun 19, 2014 03:39
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Motronic posted:The car already has an ECU. Are you talking about tuning it? I might be wrong but it seems like the 2.0L leaves a lot on the table. Their stage 1 tune requires no extra parts and nets you around 50hp and 60 ft-lbs of torque. From all accounts its no less reliable than stock either and nets the same fuel economy.
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Jun 19, 2014 04:37
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Putting together a shopping cart for the 120,000mi service on the wife's FSI 2.0T Passat. Is there anything else I should proactively replace while I'm dropping a decent chunk of change? So far I have brake fluid, cabin air filter, fuel filter, r8 coils and NGK iridium plugs, and accessory belt. Already did the oil 2k back.
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Jun 19, 2014 13:16
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I made a similar list a few pages back for 80,000 miles. Also had coolant, timing belt, transmission fluid. I got yelled at to check the cam follower (a couple good guides were linked).
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Jun 19, 2014 13:27
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Timing belt was done at 107k, and I check the cam follower religiously + have a spare ready. Coolant isn't a bad idea, I'll have to look into what's involved.
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Jun 19, 2014 13:33
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If you're serious about chip tuning your car and want to keep warranty, just but a 2nd ECU and keep it stock so you can swap it when it goes into the dealer. Of course, you'll also need a VCDS tool in order to reset the codes from the ECU swap. Switching between programming normally works, but only if someone doesn't actually look inside the ECU box. Once that happens, the proverbial jig is up.
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Jun 19, 2014 13:42
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No. 6 posted:If you're serious about chip tuning your car and want to keep warranty, just but a 2nd ECU and keep it stock so you can swap it when it goes into the dealer. Of course, you'll also need a VCDS tool in order to reset the codes from the ECU swap. I've got a VCDS. Got any sources for reasonably priced ECUs?
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Jun 19, 2014 15:27
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8ender posted:I might be wrong but it seems like the 2.0L leaves a lot on the table. Their stage 1 tune requires no extra parts and nets you around 50hp and 60 ft-lbs of torque. From all accounts its no less reliable than stock either and nets the same fuel economy. That whole thing sounds like an ad for a tuner. Only the second or third sentence can be true, but not both. Unless you think that VAG had a reason to make a vehicle look worse for what is essentially free to them.
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Jun 19, 2014 16:36
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Motronic posted:That whole thing sounds like an ad for a tuner. What? It may not get the same fuel economy because it will be so much easier to go faster, but don't kid yourself that these companies end up leaving a lot on the table due to emissions and fuel economy requirements. APR claims 217 HP/264 TQ ----> 265 HP/327 TQ (peak values only) for just a reflash with 93 octane, which is pretty awesome.
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Jun 19, 2014 16:58
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BraveUlysses posted:don't kid yourself that these companies end up leaving a lot on the table due to emissions and fuel economy requirements. So......you agree with me? The point is that power is left on the table for two reasons: reliability and fuel economy. Claiming that some tune gives you more power with the same reliability and same fuel consumption is always highly suspect. As are HP/TQ figures from the same person who is trying to sell you something.
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Jun 19, 2014 17:06
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With the APR tune I got BETTER mileage as long as I kept my foot off the noisy pedal and when I wanted more power, it was there. Most tunes will take you out of the proper emissions curve.
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Jun 19, 2014 17:18
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veedubfreak posted:With the APR tune I got BETTER mileage as long as I kept my foot off the noisy pedal and when I wanted more power, it was there. Most tunes will take you out of the proper emissions curve. You can also get the APR tune as a trial for like 6 hours or something with an AD. So that would be long enough to get a feel for driveability, but maybe not so much gas mileage.
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Jun 19, 2014 19:53
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So, the whole "don't change transmission fluid on a high mileage vehicle it will fail right after you do!!!1!1!" thing, old wives tale, holdover from dexron, or actually a thing? I know the VW party line on the issue, but I also think its bullshit. To my knowledge this 09G trans has never had its fluid changed.
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Jun 19, 2014 20:47
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As soon as I bought my 2nd hand A8, I dropped the transmission pan, changed the filter, fluid, and gasket. It shifts better now than when I bought it. I can't imagine a single reason new fluid would cause a transmission to fail, unless you use the wrong fluid or fuckup the fill.
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Jun 19, 2014 21:11
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No. 6 posted:I can't imagine a single reason new fluid would cause a transmission to fail, unless you use the wrong fluid or fuckup the fill. I believe the idea is that the new fluid loosens up pockets of hardened old fluid stuck to surfaces and the transmission has the equivalent of a coronary. That said I've put on a brave face and flushed the fluid on the past four automatic cars I've owned with no ill effects.
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