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MaxxBot posted:Around here at least (MN) microbreweries produce a vastly different product than macrobreweries do, so it's not really possible to compare the two. Macrobreweries make low cost, low abv adjunct lagers. Microbreweries product much more expensive, higher alcohol beers in various different styles. Not all of them do. Some of them create the same piss water that larger breweries do. Like I said Micro doesn't imply anything with regards to product quality. Also come on, they produce beer. Beer can be directly compared regardless whether it is lovely beer or not.
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It's hilarious to read people bloviating against "big beer" as if their product were somehow unsafe, inferior or something other than what people overwhelmingly prefer and demand in a lager. Just hipster bullshit.
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Jun 19, 2014 16:58
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SedanChair posted:It's hilarious to read people bloviating against "big beer" as if their product were somehow unsafe, inferior or something other than what people overwhelmingly prefer and demand in a lager. Just hipster bullshit. No one called it unsafe, it's a low cost, low quality product made for mass consumption. Saying that it's what people "overwhelmingly demand in a lager" is like saying that Taco Bell is what people "overwhelmingly demand in a taco." Saying that something is low quality is not the same as saying that something is a bad product, quality is necessarily sacrificed when your goal is to make a cheap product.
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Jun 19, 2014 17:12
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There's nothing wrong with its quality.
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Jun 19, 2014 17:13
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MaxxBot posted:No one called it unsafe, it's a low cost, low quality product made for mass consumption. Saying that it's what people "overwhelmingly demand in a lager" is like saying that Taco Bell is what people "overwhelmingly demand in a taco." Saying that something is low quality is not the same as saying that something is a bad product, quality is necessarily sacrificed when your goal is to make a cheap product. taco bell is what people overwhelmingly demand in a taco, I lived in one of the best places for high-quality tacos in the country and many people would overwhelmingly want to go there
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Jun 19, 2014 17:15
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Jeffrey posted:taco bell is what people overwhelmingly demand in a taco, I lived in one of the best places for high-quality tacos in the country and many people would overwhelmingly want to go there That's the point I was trying to make, it sells well because it's cheap, quick, and tastes good when you're high. Not because it's a high quality product.
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Jun 19, 2014 17:21
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MaxxBot posted:That's the point I was trying to make, it sells well because it's cheap, quick, and tastes good when you're high. Not because it's a high quality product. What does high quality mean? I'm pretty sure lots of people would choose taco bell independent of price, so snobbery aside, I think it is "high quality". I don't personally like it all that much but my opinion is not shared by most people I meet.
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Jun 19, 2014 17:23
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MaxxBot posted:That's the point I was trying to make, it sells well because it's cheap, quick, and tastes good when you're high. Not because it's a high quality product. Both Taco Bell and (for example) Anheuser-Busch have rigorous consistency and quality control standards. They're popular because people like them. There is no objective standard by which their quality is any lower than smaller competitors. What's so hard to understand about this? It's pure team mentality at work.
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Jun 19, 2014 17:24
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Jeffrey posted:What does high quality mean? I'm pretty sure lots of people would choose taco bell independent of price, so snobbery aside, I think it is "high quality". I don't personally like it all that much but my opinion is not shared by most people I meet. Taco Bell's main gimmick (that they themselves attest to) is that everything is cheap as hell and you can get a lot of food. That's the whole point of the food, not taste (outside of "will this make me want to vomit"). It's the same idea with beer - you don't *want* Guinness for your keg chugging competition because that would go over very badly. You want low alcohol beer so you don't literally die.
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Jun 19, 2014 17:38
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I'm not going to rage about how Big Pot is going to ruin weed for the little guy or anything but come the gently caress on. In terms of quality of ingredients there isn't really much of a comparison between the quality/freshness of meat, spices and condiments between Taco Bell and even "fast casual" dining establishments like Chipotle.
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Jun 19, 2014 17:39
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SedanChair posted:Both Taco Bell and (for example) Anheuser-Busch have rigorous consistency and quality control standards. They're popular because people like them. There is no objective standard by which their quality is any lower than smaller competitors. What's so hard to understand about this? It's pure team mentality at work. By "quality" I'm not saying that their product will literally make you sick, I'm saying that it's made with inexpensive ingredients to cut costs. For example, even Taco Bell themselves admit that they don't use 100% beef in their food. It's not "team mentality" to say that something like that is low quality, especially since I've ate there before and don't have some sort of vendetta against them.
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Jun 19, 2014 17:45
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MaxxBot posted:By "quality" I'm not saying that their product will literally make you sick, I'm saying that it's made with inexpensive ingredients to cut costs. For example, even Taco Bell themselves admit that they don't use 100% beef in their food. It's not "team mentality" to say that something like that is low quality, especially since I've ate there before and don't have some sort of vendetta against them. Whatever local taco place you venerate probably uses inexpensive ingredients and not strictly 100% beef too.
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Jun 19, 2014 17:51
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I'd say this whole "high-quality"-"low-quality" dichotomy is a symptom of classism more than anything else.
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Jun 19, 2014 17:56
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computer parts posted:Taco Bell's main gimmick (that they themselves attest to) is that everything is cheap as hell and you can get a lot of food. That's the whole point of the food, not taste (outside of "will this make me want to vomit"). I don't get this comparison at all. It's more that Taco Bell appeals to the broadest tastes. If you gave most Americans a choice between a Crunchwrap Supreme and authentic al pastor tacos on 2 corn tortillas piled high with cilantro and onion, they'll take the crunchwrap. Also, Budweiser has a higher ABV than Guinness, and Guinness is also extremely mass market homogenized beer with strict quality controls. The large producers make an incredibly uniform project, while the microbrewers will have different batches taste different. I'd argue that Taco Bell is higher quality, with "quality" defined as consistent output of product to specifications. I can say for certain that Bud Light is a higher quality beer than any microbrew, as far as fewest imperfections and consistent output across different breweries. It's pretty incredible.
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Jun 19, 2014 17:59
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Great now taco-talk has spread from the USPol thread to the entire subforum 
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Jun 19, 2014 17:59
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MaxxBot posted:By "quality" I'm not saying that their product will literally make you sick, I'm saying that it's made with inexpensive ingredients to cut costs. For example, even Taco Bell themselves admit that they don't use 100% beef in their food. It's not "team mentality" to say that something like that is low quality, especially since I've ate there before and don't have some sort of vendetta against them. The public at large has widely expressed a preference for taco bell, regardless of what sort of ingredients they use. How are you defining quality? If the public prefers whatever they provide to other places which 100% beef, who are you to imply that is bad? Do you disagree that, if given a choice of any sort of restaurant taco they want for free, people will by and large choose taco bell? If so, I understand your argument, but if not, what are you trying to say?
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Jun 19, 2014 18:06
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microbreweries and tacos ≠ drug leagalization 
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Jun 19, 2014 18:12
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hangedman1984 posted:microbreweries and tacos ≠ drug leagalization You would think not, but some people are like "my boutique chronic"  as if it was in danger. As if the best way to get weed the way you like it isn't to grow your own and throw cost-effectiveness to the wind.
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Jun 19, 2014 18:21
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hangedman1984 posted:microbreweries and tacos ≠ drug leagalization actually, they are
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SedanChair posted:Both Taco Bell and (for example) Anheuser-Busch have rigorous consistency and quality control standards. They're popular because people like them. There is no objective standard by which their quality is any lower than smaller competitors. What's so hard to understand about this? It's pure team mentality at work. Like Wal-Mart. Popular because people like them. Also they barely give their employees any benefits and have the cheapest prices. Wonder if the two are connected? Business Insider posted:Martin Bauer, a sixth-generation hops farmer in Hüll, isn’t so busy these days. He putters around his barn in a flannel shirt and overalls. He keeps his farm going more to stay busy than for the money, which isn’t what it used to be. Bauer remembers meeting August Busch III, who came to the area once a year with a Mercedes-driving entourage. He fondly recalls how the former Anheuser-Busch CEO paid a high price for Hallertauer Mittelfrüh. He has nothing good to say about AB InBev, which, he laments, is brewing its beer with cheaper, less flavorful hops. “As long as people buy the beer they brew, they won’t go back,” Bauer says. “The Chinese and the South Americans prefer lighter beer anyway.” The Plot To Destroy America's Beer
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Jun 19, 2014 18:33
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Jeffrey posted:if given a choice of any sort of restaurant taco they want for free, people will by and large choose taco bell?
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Jun 19, 2014 18:35
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twodot posted:This doesn't look like a fair argument. If we take a population of people who have been eating at Taco Bell their whole life and ask them would you rather eat a taco at the local combined Taco Bell/Whatever or Restaurant X They Have Never Heard Of Before, of course they'll chose Taco Bell. I do think if you did a double blind of Americanized-taco restaurants, that Taco Bell wouldn't rate high enough to justify its popularity. This is fair, good point, but I think taco bell would still do pretty well.
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Jun 19, 2014 18:57
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rscott posted:I'm not going to rage about how Big Pot is going to ruin weed for the little guy or anything but come the gently caress on. In terms of quality of ingredients there isn't really much of a comparison between the quality/freshness of meat, spices and condiments between Taco Bell and even "fast casual" dining establishments like Chipotle. Chipotle is something like 3-4x the price of Taco Bell, and it is neither small nor local. Find low-end local taco establishments with pricing comparable to Taco Bell - there will be a bunch of gems, but there will be at least as many disappointments and probably some regrets.
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Twerk from Home posted:I don't get this comparison at all. It's more that Taco Bell appeals to the broadest tastes. If you gave most Americans a choice between a Crunchwrap Supreme and authentic al pastor tacos on 2 corn tortillas piled high with cilantro and onion, they'll take the crunchwrap. If you offered them a Burrito Bowl from Chipotle and a five layer Burrito from Taco bell they'll take the former even if the latter is bought more.
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Jun 19, 2014 20:34
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Powercrazy posted:Most Brewers are poo poo, hard to believe but it true. Now there are several like Dogfish head, Arrogant Bastard, Harpoon, Great Barrier and dozens of others that are excellent, but as a general rule just because its a "microbrew" doesn't magically make it better than Bud. Stone (maker of the aforementioned Arrogant Bastard) Karl Strauss Ballast Point Green Flash Port Brewing Societe AleSmith Modern Times Lost Abbey Coronado Brewing Co Saint Archer Mission Brewery That's just the first dozen that comes to mind, and they're all fantastic. I realize SD is known these days for having lots of microbrews, but I figured most major cities had some good ones just not as many.
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Jun 19, 2014 21:32
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Having some good ones is perfectly consistent with most of the ones available being mediocre at most, dude.
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Jun 19, 2014 21:52
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Of course a pot legalization discussion derails into talking about tacos. You're killing me here. Sheldon Adelson has donated $2.5 million to the No on 2 campaign here in Florida because I'm sure he cares about the children or some bullshit. I really hope I don't watch "free speech" ruin progress here.
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superjew posted:Sheldon Adelson has donated $2.5 million to the No on 2 campaign here in Florida because I'm sure he cares about the children or some bullshit. I really hope I don't watch "free speech" ruin progress here. Why??? I'm surprised he isn't lobbying for weed in casinos or something. It's not like anyone except prisons and the DEA really stands to gain from getting in the way of the weed train.
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Jun 19, 2014 22:00
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"People just prefer the clean taste of Bud Light I guess," Anheuser-Busch said while shoveling $1.42 billion in advertising down everyone's throats.
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BerkerkLurk posted:"People just prefer the clean taste of Bud Light I guess," Anheuser-Busch said while shoveling $1.42 billion in advertising down everyone's throats. Coca-Cola spent a ton advertising New Coke too. How'd that story work out, again?
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Jun 19, 2014 22:56
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An 8% growth in sales before Southerners started launching public protests and boycotts of the product.
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(This is obviously anecdotal, and colored by the fact that I live in a city with excellent beer available all over and have a friend group that's largely white and privileged) Drinking among my peers tends to fall into one of two categories: lets hang out and have a few beers, or lets get hosed up. In the first case, everyone pretty much drinks quality microbrews. In the second case, we drink cheap beer for drinking games or progress to hard alcohol. I wonder what proportion of the Bud/Miller/Coors sales are from drinking games/parties/binge drinking, where their bland flavor, lower ABV, and cheap cost are all positive attributes.
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Jun 19, 2014 23:21
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BerkerkLurk posted:An 8% growth in sales before Southerners started launching public protests and boycotts of the product. So when people dislike products they fail despite massive advertising campaigns, glad we agree.
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I just called up Anheuser-Busch and told them advertising doesn't matter, they have the Platonic ideal of beers anyways, so for saving them over a billion dollars they gave me an old Zima wind-breaker they had lying around.
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Nintendo Kid posted:So when people dislike products they fail despite massive advertising campaigns, glad we agree. What is the point that you are trying to make besides the one that you do in every single thread that you post in (that being that you are an insufferably obtuse pendant)? I'm really trying to figure out how this is related to the nominal topic at hand.
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People arguing ITT that Bud Light is a better beer than... frankly, anything else is just 
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Pyroxene Stigma posted:People arguing ITT that Bud Light is a better beer than... frankly, anything else is just It's better if you want to binge drink.
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rscott posted:What is the point that you are trying to make besides the one that you do in every single thread that you post in (that being that you are an insufferably obtuse pendant)? I'm really trying to figure out how this is related to the nominal topic at hand. The point I'm making is pretty clear if you're capable of reading. It's that it's not magical advertising that makes people drink beer other people look down on.
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Yes, captain obvious, I'm pretty sure we all know that a variety of factors play into the beer and taco preferences of Americans! The point I'm trying to make you autistic gently caress is that you are taking an off hand comment about a tangentially related topic at best and making it the focal point of the god drat thread in your effort to make sure that everyone is aware that you are right and that other dude is wrong. So, like, so what if microbrewery beer is no better or worse than macrobrewery beer for whatever objective standard of quality that you want to use. Who the gently caress caaaaaaares? It doesn't have jack poo poo to do with drug legalization.
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rscott posted:Yes, captain obvious, I'm pretty sure we all know that a variety of factors play into the beer and taco preferences of Americans! The point I'm trying to make you autistic gently caress is that you are taking an off hand comment about a tangentially related topic at best and making it the focal point of the god drat thread in your effort to make sure that everyone is aware that you are right and that other dude is wrong. So, like, so what if microbrewery beer is no better or worse than macrobrewery beer for whatever objective standard of quality that you want to use. Who the gently caress caaaaaaares? It doesn't have jack poo poo to do with drug legalization.
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