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Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

Looks like our favorite male escort Buff Bagwell got arrested in Atlanta a few days ago but I can't seem to find what he was arrested for.

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zetamind2000
Nov 6, 2007

I'm an alien.

Probably prostitution.

Writer Cath
Apr 1, 2007

Box. Flipped.
Plaster Town Cop
Excessive Buffery.

oldpainless
Oct 30, 2009

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Impersonating a police officer

zetamind2000
Nov 6, 2007

I'm an alien.

The girls finally decided that they could, in fact, get enough.

Ktik
Jul 10, 2004

Unlicensed lowering of a forklift platform.

Shayna Baszler
Oct 24, 2001

i'll always take care of you
Muldoon
one count of being "the stuff"

BrigadierSensible
Feb 16, 2012

I've got a pocket full of cheese🧀, and a garden full of trees🌴.

Nevermind, his mum will ring the police and clear up this little misunderstanding.

Say Nothing
Mar 5, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

oldpainless posted:

Impersonating a police officer
Impersonating Scott Steiner.

Endorph
Jul 22, 2009

Getting beat up by Alyssa Milano.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!
There is a lot of interesting stuff in the new back issue, from 4/21/97:

First we'll venture into the Up North section:

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A one hour documentary on the life of Bret Hart was among the television shows being sold at a Canadian TV conference in Toronto last week.

Yeah like a doc on Butt Fart will be any good.

quote:

Despite rumors Disco Inferno is putting out, Titan sources claim there has been no talks with him.

The idea of Disco in the WWF is just weird.

I'm just going to quote the whole Nitro review because it is all insane.

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Nitro on 4/14 from Philadelphia opened with two matches taped for broadcast later in the week. Joe Gomez & Ice Train beat Devon Storm & Ace Darling as "The Extreme" in a match most notable for the debut of Kimona as a valet. Kimona didn't do much or get over. Nobody was clear whether or not they called her by the name Kimona but she wasn't given a different name. Madusa beat Luna Vachon via DQ in a short match. Then the live show began with them saying that Lex Luger wanted his title shot against Hulk Hogan on the show, but since Hogan wasn't there, Kevin Nash stepped in. Chris Benoit pinned Barbarian in 2:36 of a match with great heat. Afterwards, the entire Dungeon of Doom destroyed Benoit until Jeff Jarrett and Steve McMichael made the save. Dean Malenko kept the U.S. title beating Hector Guerrero in 2:53. Guerrero, 40, really looked his age and then some, nothing like he did several months back when he came to Nitro and shocked everyone. He didn't show much so the match was nowhere close to what it could have been. Eddie Guerrero, arm still in a sling, confronted Malenko after the match. Rey Misterio Jr. pinned Juventud Guerrera in 3:24. The more these guys are treated like jobbers, the more they wrestle like jobbers. This was the worst singles match I've ever seen these two have. Crowd was dead and lots of missed moves, although the finishing springboard huracanrana was out of this world. Luna Vachon did an interview that made no sense (I think that's company policy nowadays). She talked about taking the womens title belt from Madusa. Of course Madusa doesn't hold that belt, Akira Hokuto does, but with the communication within this company, I don't blame her for the mistake. I do blame the announcers for never acknowledging the interview and correcting the mistake the rest of the show. Ultimo Dragon retained the TV title beating Lane Carlson (Minnesota indie wrestler Lenny Lane who has worked Michinoku Pro and did a few dates in February for ECW) in 3:45 with a Tiger suplex (called a Dragon suplex by Tony Schiavone, who has now only had a year to figure out the difference). Carlson must be pretty bad because it's the first time a Dragon match has been this sloppy. Syxx beat Prince Iaukea in 5:42 with a chicken wing crossface, which he's calling the buzzkiller (**3/4). It was the best match on either show Monday night which says something for Syxx since some very good workers haven't been able to get that much out of the Prince. Ric Flair, Kevin Greene and Roddy Piper did an interview. This was most interesting. To translate into reality, what they said stems from a meeting a week earlier where Kevin Nash, Bischoff, Flair and Piper were together to talk about problems with the Charlotte main event. Since Hogan doesn't want to do the PPV, Flair and Piper didn't want Syxx as the sub in the main event feeling with a star like Greene involved, that Syxx wasn't a big enough pro wrestling name from a main event credibility standpoint to be in such a main event position. Nash argued that given the "talent" in the match, that Syxx would be the only one who could make the match and pretty much insulted the current age and condition of Flair and Piper in doing so and called Flair a comedy act. It wound up with Flair and Piper feeling that Nash had no respect for who they were in the business and what they'd accomplished and what they'd gone through in the old days to get there. There is still considerable heat from the Uncensored PPV when Nash cut off Piper and wouldn't sell for him with the feeling that Nash didn't respect Piper's status as a legend, although Nash's side is apparently that he was setting Piper up for a spot where he would sell for him but Piper couldn't improvise and instead began doing spots with Savage, who he trusted to make him look good. And of course Nash felt that Flair and Piper had no respect for the current stars as stars and felt the only real stars were the guys from their generation. So that explains the interview. No doubt you can figure Flair is frustrated when the company he saved (make no mistake about it, without Flair, Turner never would have bought out Crockett and the company would have been out of business completely by the end of 1989) and carried is paying more money to Nash than to him, but that's the reality of being in the right place at the right time. You can also say time marches on, but the reality is that Flair is probably more over now than he's been in years. Piper ranted and raved and made no sense, although he's been overexposed on television of late to the point that a lot of people are now picking up on it and he may be on the verge of losing steam in a hurry. Piper was so (frustrated, mad, screwed up, take your pick) that he couldn't even say Piper's Pit or make sense trying to get over his history. Greene chimed in about rookies who make big money that don't want to work hard, start practice early, stay late or study game films, so they obviously got him fired up about "young guys" with no respect for veterans, although Nash is like 38 years old so he's hardly a rookie. And Flair went on a strange speech about his life which at least made a semblance of sense. Flair said that in 1973 (actually it was 1972) he finished wrestling camp after quitting twice and thanked Verne Gagne for letting him into the greatest sport in the world. He said that in 1983 (actually it was June 12, 1982) he wrestled Dick the Bruiser at the Arena in St. Louis before a sellout crowd (crowd was 19,027 fans) and he was 35 and Bruiser was 56 (actually 33 and 54) and he thanked Bruiser when it was over (since Bruiser, who in those days virtually never did clean jobs, particularly in St. Louis where he was the top draw and most popular wrestler, and that night he put Flair over clean in a 2/3 fall match when Flair was world champion and I guess pointing out Bruiser's age since Bruiser was still a major draw when he was many years older than Flair or Piper are today) and that's when he knew he was a star in the sport (Flair must be a slow learner, because the rest of us figured that out many years before that). Then he said in 1993 (actually it was April 5, 1992) he wrestled Randy Savage at the Hoosier Dome and made some comment about how Angelo Poffo wouldn't be happy with what Savage is doing now. Then he said that he'd still be a star in 2003. I don't know how people who don't read this newsletter can possibly make heads or tails out of these interviews nowadays. With 2.8 million homes turned in while that interview was taking place, those three guys did an interview for exactly one person--Kevin Nash, who was probably laughing his way through it and a lot of the wrestlers backstage were behind their backs because they all exposed a lot of insecurity. And just for the record, as of Monday night, the two sides hadn't agreed on a main event which is why they simply announced it as Flair & Greene & Piper against the NWO without mentioning specific names. Public Enemy beat High Voltage in 4:37 of a street fight which was your basic garbage can, toilet seat brawl ending when Rocco put Rage through two tables and pinned him on the floor. It was also pretty good. Giant beat Big Al (formerly 911) in :59 with a choke slam of a match that would have been intolerable if it had gone any longer. Diamond Dallas Page pinned Konnan with the diamond cutter in 2:08. Savage and Liz were cutting a promo in the crowd, Page jumped in the crowd and they scurried. Jarrett & McMichael beat Harlem Heat in a rematch via DQ in 10:02 (*1/4). Match was a lot worse than last week, probably because McMichael wrestled in this one. McMichael was about to use the briefcase but Sherri got it from him. In the post-match, Sherri was supposed to miss hitting Debra with the briefcase, but in the follow through of her swing, she actually clocked Debra by accident. McMichael then did a pretty good interview setting up the pull-apart with Reggie White. Finale saw Luger beat Nash via DQ in 4:07 when the entire NWO attacked Luger in a poor match. Page made the first save but he was beaten down. Finally Sting and Giant came out and Sting had four baseball bats and he, Luger, Giant and Page cleaned house to end the show. Show came off as major league and had high points (White-McMichael angle) but couldn't touch the ECW show the previous night for quality. Beat the pants off Raw, however.

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In the continuing saga of Sullivan vs. Nash, the Nash contingent is working to get Sullivan out of the ring. As many of you are aware, nearly one year ago Eric Bischoff told Sullivan that when the current program with Chris Benoit runs its course, that he has to get out of the ring. So Sullivan has done basically a brilliant job of keeping the feud going by using his wife, his son, Jacquelyn, etc., and to give the devil his due, in the process it has been a hot feud and has taken Benoit to superstardom. But if you've noticed, the angle where Kevin's son hit him with a chair in Baltimore hasn't been acknowledged and the pressure has been on from the other side to get Sullivan out of the ring and end the feud.

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Hulk Hogan did a rare clean job for promoter Jacques Rougeau Jr. on the 4/11 WCW show at the Molson Center in Montreal which drew an estimated 9,000 fans and $209,000 Canadian.

Rougeau, the last active member of the family which has been a fixture on the Quebec wrestling scene for something like 40 years, was supposed to be the home town hero in what was promoted as a battle of the legends. However, the crowd was mixed with our reports indicating Rougeau had about 60% of the fans cheering for him and Hogan had about 40% Hogan lost clean to a small package with no outside interference in what was never advertised beforehand as either a title match or a non-title match although the assumption all along was that it was a title match, but made clear after the finish it was a non-title match. The finish enables them to book a rematch for the title when WCW returns to Montreal although no return date was announced in the building. It is the first pinfall job with no outside interference that Hogan has done since losing the WWF title to Ultimate Warrior at the 1990 Wrestlemania in Toronto (the Piper match at Starrcade wasn't a 1-2-3 finish) and probably the last one until this coming year's Starrcade against Sting.

Say Nothing
Mar 5, 2013

by FactsAreUseless

MassRafTer posted:

WCW stuff.
Hector Guerrero looked like an alternate reality version of Eddie who didn't work out very much.
The resemblance between Hector and Eddie is so bizarre, I wondered why a Google search for Hector kept coming up with pictures of Eddie.



At some point in the past, they must have decided to trade physiques.

ChampRamp
Mar 29, 2010

:siren: SAVE_US.CHR :siren:
Why did Nash want Sullivan out of the ring so bad for?

coconono
Aug 11, 2004

KISS ME KRIS

ChampRamp posted:

Why did Nash want Sullivan out of the ring so bad for?

Because Sullivan was a one-dimensional brawler.

Bigass Moth
Mar 6, 2004

I joined the #RXT REVOLUTION.
:boom:
he knows...
Probably couldn't master the squisher; a big no-no in Nash's eyes.

triplexpac
Mar 24, 2007

Suck it
Two tears in a bucket
And then another thing
I'm not the one they'll try their luck with
Hit hard like brass knuckles
See your face through the turnbuckle dude
I got no love for you
It's crazy that, after that long review of how lovely Nitro was and how every match was 5 minutes or less, it was still better than Raw haha.

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

ChampRamp posted:

Why did Nash want Sullivan out of the ring so bad for?

Sullivan was an old-fashioned brawler a decade past his sell-by date. He was almost 50 at that point and he wasn't an un-aging lich like Flair. They told him he could book or wrestle, not both.

zetamind2000
Nov 6, 2007

I'm an alien.

ChampRamp posted:

Why did Nash want Sullivan out of the ring so bad for?

Because Nash came from a community, not a neighborhood.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

ChampRamp posted:

Why did Nash want Sullivan out of the ring so bad for?

If you are worried about your political power it's a good idea to keep the booker from also wrestling.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 9 hours!

Luigi Thirty posted:

Sullivan was an old-fashioned brawler a decade past his sell-by date. He was almost 50 at that point and he wasn't an un-aging lich like Flair. They told him he could book or wrestle, not both.
I have a hard time believing that Nash wanted Sullivan to stop wrestling strictly because he was disappointed in the quality of his work.

MassRafTer posted:

If you are worried about your political power it's a good idea to keep the booker from also wrestling.
Now this, on the other hand...

On a serious note, I read that Nash became the head booker shortly after Halloween Havoc '98. What about his influence on booking prior to that point?

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

Halloween Jack posted:

I have a hard time believing that Nash wanted Sullivan to stop wrestling strictly because he was disappointed in the quality of his work.

I meant in general, Nash had power and wanted to keep his position secure but he wasn't completely running the show or booking in 1997.

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

Halloween Jack posted:

I have a hard time believing that Nash wanted Sullivan to stop wrestling strictly because he was disappointed in the quality of his work.

Now this, on the other hand...

On a serious note, I read that Nash became the head booker shortly after Halloween Havoc '98. What about his influence on booking prior to that point?

Nash became head booker in February of 99. Prior to that he had a tremendous influence on the product, he was one of the bigger power players behind the scenes.

Thauros
Jan 29, 2003

MassRafTer posted:

Nash became head booker in February of 99. Prior to that he had a tremendous influence on the product, he was one of the bigger power players behind the scenes.

Who's primarily to blame for the Fingerpoke Nitro?

Abrasive Obelisk
May 2, 2013

I joined th
ROVPACK IN THE HOOUUUUSE!
:vince:
he still knows...

Thauros posted:

Who's primarily to blame for the Fingerpoke Nitro?

I'm guessing Hogan to set up a big Hogan/Goldberg title rematch.

Claytor
Dec 5, 2011

Thauros posted:

Who's primarily to blame for the Fingerpoke Nitro?

Nash claims that it was an attempt to put together a heel stable which Goldberg could spend the next few months dismantling, and that the whole thing was ruined when Goldberg nearly destroyed his hand breaking open that car window like a week later.

I've also read a claim that it was the result of quite a bit of backstage negotiation and came out of an attempt to get the "Hogan" and "Nash" backstage factions working in the same direction again.

oatgan
Jan 15, 2009

Claytor posted:

Nash claims that it was an attempt to put together a heel stable which Goldberg could spend the next few months dismantling, and that the whole thing was ruined when Goldberg nearly destroyed his hand breaking open that car window like a week later.

I've also read a claim that it was the result of quite a bit of backstage negotiation and came out of an attempt to get the "Hogan" and "Nash" backstage factions working in the same direction again.

I think he says this on one of the Legends of Wrestling Rountables he did and this is complete horseshit because Goldberg doesn't slice open his arm on a limo until NWO 2000 is formed a year later

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

Thauros posted:

Who's primarily to blame for the Fingerpoke Nitro?

Hogan and Nash. Hogan was promised he'd get to break the streak when he lost to Goldberg but he and Nash worked it out where Nash got the streak and Hogan got the belt.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 9 hours!
Wasn't Bischoff also involved? It meant he got to do the nWo all over again, in theory.

Even if the timeline weren't all wrong for Nash's excuse about pushing Goldberg, I have a hard time believing that they were pushing him with a storyline that was originally planned to be Liz accusing him of rape.

Zack_Gochuck
Jan 4, 2007

Stupid Wrestling People

oatgan posted:

I think he says this on one of the Legends of Wrestling Rountables he did and this is complete horseshit because Goldberg doesn't slice open his arm on a limo until NWO 2000 is formed a year later

Yeah, he's getting his stories mixed up there for sure. That crazy ol' Kevin Nash.

jesus WEP
Oct 17, 2004


Luigi Thirty posted:

They told him he could book or wrestle, not both.
If only they'd told Nash and Hogan the same thing, WCW might still exist.

Or not. A company that Fedexes empty boxes will probably find some way of loving up.

Thauros
Jan 29, 2003

MassRafTer posted:

Hogan and Nash. Hogan was promised he'd get to break the streak when he lost to Goldberg but he and Nash worked it out where Nash got the streak and Hogan got the belt.

They had to promise Hogan he'd break the streak to get him to lose the belt at the Georgia Dome? Somehow after all these years I still regularly find new reasons to hate that man.

Bigass Moth
Mar 6, 2004

I joined the #RXT REVOLUTION.
:boom:
he knows...
I think Hogan agreed to lose on a non-title dark match after Nitro at the Georiga Dome, but somebody at Turner made Bischoff make it a televised title match and by then it was too late to change things for the old Hulkster.

Claytor
Dec 5, 2011

Bigass Moth posted:

I think Hogan agreed to lose on a non-title dark match after Nitro at the Georiga Dome, but somebody at Turner made Bischoff make it a televised title match and by then it was too late to change things for the old Hulkster.

I'd heard the opposite, that Hogan knew the Georgia Dome show would be a sellout in front of Turner executives and was willing to take the loss if it meant proving that he was a massive box office draw (despite the show having already sold out before the match was booked).

ChampRamp
Mar 29, 2010

:siren: SAVE_US.CHR :siren:
Let's see how the readers rated the 1997 WCW PPVs that we've been watching









I wonder how many of the thumbs down for Road Wild were because of the main's finish.

CopywrightMMXI
Jun 1, 2011

One time a guy stole some downhill skis out of my jeep and I was so mad I punched a mailbox. I'm against crime, and I'm not ashamed to admit it.

Thauros posted:

They had to promise Hogan he'd break the streak to get him to lose the belt at the Georgia Dome? Somehow after all these years I still regularly find new reasons to hate that man.

One of the main reasons WCW signed Ultimate Warrior in 1998 was so Hogan could avenge his loss from 1990.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 9 hours!

CopywrightMMXI posted:

One of the main reasons WCW signed Ultimate Warrior in 1998 was so Hogan could avenge his loss from 1990.
He tried to burn him!

Thauros
Jan 29, 2003

CopywrightMMXI posted:

One of the main reasons WCW signed Ultimate Warrior in 1998 was so Hogan could avenge his loss from 1990.

Oh yeah, knew that one and it certainly fits in with his MO. I was honestly stunned that when David Sammartino appeared on a couple Nitros that Hogan never demanded to squash him to prove some sort of bizarre point.

ChampRamp posted:

Let's see how the readers rated the 1997 WCW PPVs that we've been watching


I wonder how many of the thumbs down for Road Wild were because of the main's finish.

That definitely sglehandedly turned it from a "thumbs in the middle" to a solid thumbs down show for me.

Thauros fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Jun 20, 2014

MassRafTer
May 26, 2001

BAEST MODE!!!

Claytor posted:

I'd heard the opposite, that Hogan knew the Georgia Dome show would be a sellout in front of Turner executives and was willing to take the loss if it meant proving that he was a massive box office draw (despite the show having already sold out before the match was booked).

The story from Dave's Bischoff takedown was basically that. It wasn't going to be a sell out but no one expected that. It was going to be a giant crowd (advance was around 30,000) and Hogan wanted credit for that in front of Turner. The original idea was a dark match with no title change and a week before the show Bischoff panicked and made it a title match. If my memory is correct Hogan wasn't too against the idea but wanted the streak as trade.

Luigi Thirty
Apr 30, 2006

Emergency confection port.

Halloween Jack posted:

He tried to burn him!

IT'S NOT HOT!

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sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

CopywrightMMXI posted:

One of the main reasons WCW signed Ultimate Warrior in 1998 was so Hogan could avenge his loss from 1990.

I know this is one of the most ancient Hogan bullshit stories but I'll never not be amazed at how petty and small he was about that, especially because it pushed Goldberg/DDP off which was superior in literally every way.

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