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AATREK CURES KIDS posted:If you mulligan to 0, maybe your opponent can Ad Nauseam themself to death. You lose as soon as the first upkeep starts, since you tried to draw a card from an empty library since the last time state-based effects were checked. Even if you mulligan so that there are still cards in your library when the game actually starts. Same as if someone plays Shahrazad while you have less than seven cards left in your library.
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Jabor posted:You lose as soon as the first upkeep starts, since you tried to draw a card from an empty library since the last time state-based effects were checked. Even if you mulligan so that there are still cards in your library when the game actually starts. Now someone make a mill deck with Shahrazad as the wincon, with Gut Shot or something to ping away the last few life.
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Jun 20, 2014 05:57
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That's kinda how Shahrazad decks work. You'd Sharazad them, Wish for your Shahrazad in the sub game, and eventually get down to a game where they die from milling. And, you finish them off with lightning bolts and savannah lions and stuff.
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Jun 20, 2014 06:03
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If Shahrazad were legal, it would be a format-defining card. So many decks in Vintage rely on one-offs that being hit by Shahrazad is hard to recover from in the subgame, so for a Null Rod aggro deck it's basically a burn spell that does 10.
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Jun 20, 2014 06:09
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It's the only card banned from vintage for being too awesome.
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Jun 20, 2014 06:15
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Dr. Stab posted:It's the only card banned from vintage for being too awesome. I digress. 
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Jun 20, 2014 06:17
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Dr. Stab posted:From what? Falling Star is also banned for being too awesome, although really it's logistics. In a format where Chaos Orb or Falling Star are legal, it's optimal to play with your cards spread out as far as possible. In a format where Shahrazad is legal, you need lots of extra tables to set games aside.
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Jun 20, 2014 06:25
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AATREK CURES KIDS posted:Falling Star is also banned for being too awesome, although really it's logistics. In a format where Chaos Orb or Falling Star are legal, it's optimal to play with your cards spread out as far as possible. In a format where Shahrazad is legal, you need lots of extra tables to set games aside. I think he's pointing out that Ramos confused the word 'digress' with 'disagree.'
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AATREK CURES KIDS posted:Falling Star is also banned for being too awesome, although really it's logistics. In a format where Chaos Orb or Falling Star are legal, it's optimal to play with your cards spread out as far as possible. In a format where Shahrazad is legal, you need lots of extra tables to set games aside. It's not just that you need extra tables, it's that it makes matches take longer and lets you do dumb poo poo like wish in a Shahrazad if you're losing so that the match goes to time.
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I need to kill a bunch of time in the somewhat near future so I fired up modo again and discovered I have roughly a thousand tickets. What would be some fun decks to put together in eternal formats to grind DEs and PEs with?
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Dungeon Ecology posted:I think he's pointing out that Ramos confused the word 'digress' with 'disagree.' I'm not even sure how I managed to typo that badly.
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rabidsquid posted:I need to kill a bunch of time in the somewhat near future so I fired up modo again and discovered I have roughly a thousand tickets. What would be some fun decks to put together in eternal formats to grind DEs and PEs with? Vintage Dredge. It's so powerful that the meta will have only properly responded to it when about half their sideboards are dedicated to hosing it and it doesn't require/use any of the Power 9.
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AATREK CURES KIDS posted:If Shahrazad were legal, it would be a format-defining card. So many decks in Vintage rely on one-offs that being hit by Shahrazad is hard to recover from in the subgame, so for a Null Rod aggro deck it's basically a burn spell that does 10. It actually was not banned from vintage/legacy for a long time where no one played it. It got banned after people started trying to grief tournaments with it.
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Promoted Pawn posted:Vintage Dredge. It's so powerful that the meta will have only properly responded to it when about half their sideboards are dedicated to hosing it and it doesn't require/use any of the Power 9. Watch LSVs first vintage video. 8/15 slots are dredge hate, and rightly so.
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Watch LSVs first vintage video. 8/15 slots are dredge hate, and rightly so. Yeah the basic game plan with that deck is 'win game 1, then dodge the hate they bring in for 1 of the next 2 games'. Some builds even maindeck hate for the mirror because the theory is that you can afford to have dead cards against any other deck in game 1.
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:Watch LSVs first vintage video. 8/15 slots are dredge hate, and rightly so. Every single vintage deck I've played against with Dredge scoops to a resolved Serenity. It's just a meta issue that they don't dedicate slots to removing my anti-hate but still. Dredge is still not a "cheap" deck to put together - but it still costs less than a single Lotus does. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 07:37 on Jun 20, 2014 |
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Jun 20, 2014 07:35
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I actually recall playing against a R/W Shahrzad deck in a Vintage tourney like ten years ago. Every time my opponent would try to enter a subgame, I'd concede immediately.
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Angry Grimace posted:Every single vintage deck I've played against with Dredge scoops to a resolved Serenity. It's just a meta issue that they don't dedicate slots to removing my anti-hate but still.
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Angry Grimace posted:Every single vintage deck I've played against with Dredge scoops to a resolved Serenity. Do you find it harder to resolve? I thought about running it but was worried about getting to 2 lands to cast it regularly. neetengie posted:What would be a good replacement for undiscovered paradise? I imagine Gemstone Mine or Mana Confluence would do in a pinch but the ability to repeat landfall triggers for Bloodghasts is pretty important. You don't have to cast anything with Paradise to bounce it to hand so you can add mana at your opponents endstep and always have landfall.
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How much would the M15 Souls go for now that they're promos in DOTP15? http://www.capsulecomputers.com.au/2014/06/here-are-your-magic-2015-duels-of-the-planeswalkers-promo-cards/
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Jun 20, 2014 14:21
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Bugsy posted:I really want to play this deck! oops no cards
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Jun 20, 2014 14:24
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What's a good site to reference for MTGO prices? Anything easier to check than trying to find prices on the trade market while drafting?
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Jun 20, 2014 14:26
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Fingers McLongDong posted:What's a good site to reference for MTGO prices? Anything easier to check than trying to find prices on the trade market while drafting? http://www.mtggoldfish.com/
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I'd kinda recommend just ctrl-fing through supernova's 0.txt (http://supernovabots.com/prices_0.txt) during drafts since it is fastest, but goldfish is better in general.
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Tezzeract posted:How much would the M15 Souls go for now that they're promos in DOTP15? Nothing because they weren't great to begin with.
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Chill la Chill posted:I still don't understand why people piss in their own pool like that. I mean sure, go steal some cards in/from an LGS that is nowhere near where you live but to do it where you're a regular and lose your hobby and hangout place as a result? Lol Yeah, we just had a guy locally who got told at the one main store in the area that a bunch of his new cards were counterfeits. OK, maybe he's the one who got scammed, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. He then takes those cards to the other main store in the area and tries to sell them.
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Am I reading right that bots are buying Vintage Masters boosters at nearly eight dollars, has anyone actually seen that in the wild?
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Mortimer posted:Nothing because they weren't great to begin with. They are going for 15 and 12 bucks on TCG player which is insanity.
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Entropic posted:Yeah, we just had a guy locally who got told at the one main store in the area that a bunch of his new cards were counterfeits. OK, maybe he's the one who got scammed, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Lol. We had a guy do the same with beat up cards sharpied to look like they were NM. Claimed he got ripped off when I called him out on it too. Best part is how we figured it out while casually talking and several people piped up about getting sharpied cards from the same guy. The lunch mob that was forming was even better since one of the guys got his number and address due to an earlier trade/meetup. One of the guys called him and starts naming names of people with a grievance. The conversation was funny and I can imagine the other guy making GBS threads his pants and whimpering (I heard "but what about my family?") as the caller tells him I box and another guy does MMA. Store clerks told us to take the phone call outside for legal/plausible deniability reasons cuz the other guys started having power fantasies of roughing him up. Shows up to the store during a packed standard night (arranged by the caller), gives back the cards, and was banned. Feel good story of the year.
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I'm going to be in Portland next weekend, do any Portland goons know of a good place for FNM? Guardian Games seems like a nice place and isn't too far from where I'm staying, anyone been there?
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Cactrot posted:I'm going to be in Portland next weekend, do any Portland goons know of a good place for FNM? Guardian Games seems like a nice place and isn't too far from where I'm staying, anyone been there? Guardian games is amazing.
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Cactrot posted:I'm going to be in Portland next weekend, do any Portland goons know of a good place for FNM? Guardian Games seems like a nice place and isn't too far from where I'm staying, anyone been there? I played there quite a lot when I lived in Portland. I recommend it. They've got a section in the back where you can get some beers too.
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Stinky Pit posted:I imagine Gemstone Mine or Mana Confluence would do in a pinch but the ability to repeat landfall triggers for Bloodghasts is pretty important. You don't have to cast anything with Paradise to bounce it to hand so you can add mana at your opponents endstep and always have landfall.
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mcmagic posted:They are going for 15 and 12 bucks on TCG player which is insanity. Seriously? Maybe my evaluation skills are off but Soul of Ravnica looks awful; 7 mana to maybe draw like 3 cards? When are you gonna make that worth it?
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goferchan posted:Seriously? Maybe my evaluation skills are off but Soul of Ravnica looks awful; 7 mana to maybe draw like 3 cards? When are you gonna make that worth it? At a table full of aspies w/ rules like "No countermagic" at your local game store's EDH night.
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neetengie posted:Ah, that makes sense. gently caress it, 270ish bucks isn't that bad for a vintage deck. Go ahead and pick up a set of leylines. When I was doing heads up queues about half were mirrors.
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You might be able to get away with the green soul because of Nyxland, but the blue one doesn't strike me as very good. It'll win long control matches I guess but theres definitely better ways to grind out advantage than seven mana draw 1.5
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Shavnir posted:Go ahead and pick up a set of leylines. When I was doing heads up queues about half were mirrors. If I was doing 2 mans with Dredge I'd run 4 Leyline instead of 4 Petrified Field
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