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Bread Set Jettison posted:You might be able to get away with the green soul because of Nyxland, but the blue one doesn't strike me as very good. It'll win long control matches I guess but theres definitely better ways to grind out advantage than seven mana draw 1.5 It also doesn't help there are better creatures blue would rather have. Not to mention the blue's ability requires you to have either hybrid creatures or non-blue creatures, the latter of which you shouldn't run with nykthos, and the former of which is nightveil specter which rotates soon after. The green one is incredibly "eh" considering all the hydras being printed/already printed to soak up all that extra mana.
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Bread Set Jettison posted:You might be able to get away with the green soul because of Nyxland, but the blue one doesn't strike me as very good. It'll win long control matches I guess but theres definitely better ways to grind out advantage than seven mana draw 1.5 It might be a smaller body, but I'm pretty sure I'd rather be running Prognostic Sphinx in any kinda control deck most of the time. My real hope though is that Tromokratis finds a place as a control finisher. That card's just so fun.
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Entropic posted:It might be a smaller body, but I'm pretty sure I'd rather be running Prognostic Sphinx in any kinda control deck most of the time. Given that it costs Literally Infinity I would not hold out hope for this. E: Elspeth is a far better finisher then either of those anyways, though.
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TheKingofSprings posted:Given that it costs Literally Infinity I would not hold out hope for this. Aetherling costs 4UUU if you want to keep it alive, so Tromokratis's cost isn't quite as bad. I'd love to see it too, but the lack of ability to punch through an Elspeth means it probably won't make it.
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Jun 20, 2014 18:00
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AATREK CURES KIDS posted:Aetherling costs 4UUU if you want to keep it alive, so Tromokratis's cost isn't quite as bad. I'd love to see it too, but the lack of ability to punch through an Elspeth means it probably won't make it. Tromokratis is not as resilient against removal, easier to block, and can't attack and block in the same turn. I suppose it's possible, but I think it's unlikely.
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Cactrot posted:I'm going to be in Portland next weekend, do any Portland goons know of a good place for FNM? Guardian Games seems like a nice place and isn't too far from where I'm staying, anyone been there? Guardian Games is rad. I also quite like Time Vault Games, though in fairness I've only been there to draft new sets and play in their Saturday Legacy event, so I don't know how FNM is. I would assume excellent though. Quite a bit smaller than GG, but definitely one of the nicer card shops I've ever frequented (and is much more Magic-centric than Guardian Games is).
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Jun 20, 2014 18:19
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Guardian sounds like the place for me, it fits my normal FNM routine of "lose a match, go have a beer, repeat faster next time".
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I've basically resigned myself to having to use Kiora if I want to Kraken someone to death, it just makes me sad that a card as cool as Tromokratis can't be playable.
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Jun 20, 2014 18:28
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The Souls are keyworded 6/6s for 6 with repeatable, instant speed effects. They're nowhere near Titan level but I'd be shocked if they don't find a home somewhere by virtue of being beefy mana sinks.
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Jun 20, 2014 18:54
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Don't forget we haven't seen the whole cycle, either. C'mon, Soul of Ulgrotha 
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Orange Fluffy Sheep posted:The Souls are keyworded 6/6s for 6 with repeatable, instant speed effects. They're nowhere near Titan level but I'd be shocked if they don't find a home somewhere by virtue of being beefy mana sinks. I dunno, none of the titans flew so Ravnica already has that going for it.
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Jun 20, 2014 19:04
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Yeah I think the green soul will find a home in standard, since it blocks well is huge and works well with nyxland. I'm skeptical about the blue one but I've been wrong before. Seven mana is steep even for instant speed draw and the only way to abuse it is with nyxland, but it directly clashes with that. But it still its a 6/6 flier so who knows. Plus in super standard, it'll be best friends with frostburn weird and any hybrid mana men. Weirder and worse cards have found homes before.
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LordSaturn posted:Don't forget we haven't seen the whole cycle, either. Pretty sure the 5 have been confirmed to be Soul of Theros, Innistrad, Shandalar, Ravnica, and Zendikar. Sorry bub.
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Jun 20, 2014 19:07
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TheKingofSprings posted:Given that it costs Literally Infinity I would not hold out hope for this. The truly great control finisher is Elixir of Immortality.
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Jun 20, 2014 19:09
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Does anyone know how to make a query in Magiccards.info or Gatherer to list all cards without flavor text, like the M14 Giant Growth?
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Jun 20, 2014 19:16
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Nihilist.Dec "we don't believe in flavor"
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Jun 20, 2014 19:18
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Mortimer posted:It also doesn't help there are better creatures blue would rather have. Not to mention the blue's ability requires you to have either hybrid creatures or non-blue creatures, the latter of which you shouldn't run with nykthos, and the former of which is nightveil specter which rotates soon after. Dies to Doom Blade and doesn't do enough after that to be all that playable because then you're paying 11 mana to get a single 3/3 vanilla token. I can't fathom a scenario where I'd rather have Soul rather than Hydra Broodmaster. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 19:20 on Jun 20, 2014 |
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Jun 20, 2014 19:18
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rabidsquid posted:The truly great control finisher is Elixir of Immortality. Swords to Plowshares and Timetwister.
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Jun 20, 2014 19:28
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Ah yes the flawless dies to removal argument. Where did I put my mtg thread bingo card?
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Bread Set Jettison posted:Ah yes the flawless dies to removal argument. Pfft, removal dies to countermagic.
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Jun 20, 2014 19:32
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vOv posted:Pfft, removal dies to countermagic. And countermagic dies to countermagic. It's countermagic all the way down.
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Jun 20, 2014 19:34
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Counterproof countermagic dies to exile target spell
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Jun 20, 2014 19:36
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I don't think we'll see Soul of Ravnica in Super Standard, but after Revelation and Aetherling rotate out control will need some big way to draw cards, stabilize, and finish the game. It might be this or it might be something better that will be printed, or we might even go to a Standard where pure control decks just aren't viable, there's no way to tell at this early point.
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Jun 20, 2014 19:39
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Tardigrade posted:And countermagic dies to countermagic. Countermagic dies to Duress
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UberJew posted:Countermagic dies to Duress Duress dies to Mental Misstep
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whydirt posted:Does anyone know how to make a query in Magiccards.info or Gatherer to list all cards without flavor text, like the M14 Giant Growth? So, you can use this: http://magiccards.info/query?q=not+%28ft%3Aa+or+ft%3Ae+or+ft%3Ai+or+ft%3Ao+or+ft%3Au%29&v=card&s=cname Kinda janky, but it's basically "card whose flavor text contains no vowels", which should essentially mean cards without flavor text. Problem is, like half of the cards ever printed don't have flavor text, so it's not exactly a very useful search.
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Madmarker posted:Duress dies to Mental Misstep Mental misstep dies to bans
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Nibble posted:So, you can use this: http://magiccards.info/query?q=not+%28ft%3Aa+or+ft%3Ae+or+ft%3Ai+or+ft%3Ao+or+ft%3Au%29&v=card&s=cname I should have specified I just wanted spell staples like Growth, Doom Blade, etc that have versions with just the text centered in the middle of the cards. Your query should get me started pretty easily, so thanks! whydirt fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Jun 20, 2014 |
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Bread Set Jettison posted:Ah yes the flawless dies to removal argument. Well, can you explain why its a bad argument here? I think its vulnerability to removal without ending up doing anything is why it won't see serious play (unless some other card really enables it). The problem is that if you're going to spend 6 CMC on a creature, he needs to do more in the time he's on the field. Broodmaster dies to removal also, but its abilities are just better and its body is bigger. whydirt posted:I should have specified I just wanted spell staples like Growth, Doom Blade, etc that have versions with just the text centered in the middle of the cards. Your query should get me started pretty easily, so thanks! Original Wrath of God and Armageddon are the most imposing no-flavor-text cards. Angry Grimace fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Jun 20, 2014 |
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Time Stop doesn't have reminder text or flavor text as long as it's a foil.
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Nemico posted:Time Stop doesn't have reminder text or flavor text as long as it's a foil. All 10E cards are like that, Time Stop is just one of the ones that stands out the most.
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UberJew posted:Countermagic dies to Duress Duress is useless against creatures. Creatures die to removal. it's the circle of life
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Nemico posted:Time Stop doesn't have reminder text or flavor text as long as it's a foil. For Tenth Edition only. And it's seriously the best: http://www.trollandtoad.com/p384141.html (also, slightly annoying to find pictures of since it's not on gatherer/magiccards.info without flavor text). Some 10E foils actually have extra flavor text to make up for the lack of reminder text: 
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Angry Grimace posted:Well, can you explain why its a bad argument here? I think its vulnerability to removal without ending up doing anything is why it won't see serious play (unless some other card really enables it). Serra Angel also died to doom blade and was one of the biggest control finishers for the longest time ever. Sure times have changed, but a big (E: and evasive) creature doesn't need to make an immediate impact if you've been telling your opponent "no" all game. Immediate impact helps seal the deal, but so does repeatably drawing a million cards. Either way, I think the argument against RavSoul at the moment is that Aetherling does a better job sealing the deal. No card exists in a vacuum and until we see what this card's competition is in Khans, we won't honestly know if it sees play. E: The thing that will make any of the souls relevant is the graveyard value anyway. Instant speed 3/3 or card draw from the graveyard is good. Bread Set Jettison fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Jun 20, 2014 |
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Attorney at Funk posted:Duress is useless against creatures. Thoughtseize is here to break the circle of life, and also your sketchy keep and hopes of placing.
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rabidsquid posted:Thoughtseize is here to break the circle of life, and also your sketchy keep and hopes of placing. Thoughtseize  e: I wonder if there's more likely to be tournament-level manlands in Khans of Tarkir because of it being adjacent to Theros block. As it stands, the one threat Thoughtseize can't hit in current standard is Mutavault. Since it's rotating out, there's a hole that R&D could fill. I'd love to see the cycle of dual manlands rounded out, of course, but so would everyone else. Attorney at Funk fucked around with this message at 20:24 on Jun 20, 2014 |
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Bread Set Jettison posted:Thoughtseize dies to force of will And in the end everything dies to Storm. Entropy wins.
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Bread Set Jettison posted:Serra Angel also died to doom blade and was one of the biggest control finishers for the longest time ever. Sure times have changed, but a big (E: and evasive) creature doesn't need to make an immediate impact if you've been telling your opponent "no" all game. Immediate impact helps seal the deal, but so does repeatably drawing a million cards. You're talking about a different card and deck, though.
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