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spengler posted:they don't have a shitton of medical infrastructure built around profiteering off the sales of antipsychotics, though. Give it 10 years. Considering like half its population uses drugs and its massive opium production i feel like afghanistan is already set in that rrgard
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Old Timey Research found that most soldiers were unwilling to actually take another human life. I think the numbers in WW2/Korea were 1 in 5 would shoot to kill. The aim of US military recruiters since has been to focus on recruiting that one man out of five and to ensure that he winds up in a combat role. 1 in 100 people are psychopaths. 3 in 100 high corporate achievers are psychopaths. 10 in 100 violent offenders are psychopaths. I'm willing to bet that the military would beat 'em all. also ptsd is crazy hosed up and being crammed in a hyper regimented environment full of and run by psychopaths would probably give it to anyone
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# ? Jun 20, 2014 06:23 |
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Republican Vampire posted:Old Timey Research found that most soldiers were unwilling to actually take another human life. I think the numbers in WW2/Korea were 1 in 5 would shoot to kill. This was actually a myth propagated by the famous historian SLA Marshall
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# ? Jun 20, 2014 06:27 |
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anyone who volunteers for the military should be executed upon application. something severely hosed up with anybody who wants to fight a loving war.
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# ? Jun 20, 2014 07:21 |
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SmokaDustbowl posted:Yall signed up to kill people why you so broken now? I guess signing up to shoot guns at people didn't work out for you. Now somebody hosed your wife and you're homeless and you've gotta post to Goons in Platoons from that free wireless. Good job! Now you're back in civilian life and can kill yourself with heroin! Or maybe you're just sitting in a chair and your education was funded by people choking to death on their own blood. PTSD is just an excuse for murderers. i just agree with this 100% and had to register this agreement here
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# ? Jun 20, 2014 07:29 |
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Iron man had PTSD! How dare you mock what he's been through.
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# ? Jun 20, 2014 08:01 |
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smartest post-vietnam decision they made was to eliminate the draft, causing it to be replaced with the poverty draft see to them the worst thing about vietnam was all those middle-class kids who otherwise would have had (on average) quieter, happier lives than anyone before or since coming home and bitching up a storm of course that isn't quite true because of how the draft actually played out but it was true enough to be a real problem with an all-volunteer military you don't put too many kids of voters or taxpayers in danger. instead you get the poverty draft. poors, wingnuts, and poor wingnuts. but mostly poors. nobody gave a poo poo about them before they got shot at, nobody gave a poo poo after they got shot at. best of all, it's totally their fault they came back mentally/physically destroyed because they signed up for it, never mind the fact that they all came from places where the only viable alternatives included such wonderful career paths as flipping burgers or slinging drugs everyone who matters wins
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# ? Jun 20, 2014 08:09 |
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in summary op is an idiot
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# ? Jun 20, 2014 08:11 |
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papa_november posted:smartest post-vietnam decision they made was to eliminate the draft, causing it to be replaced with the poverty draft So...if a small über-tactical force worked on eliminating poverty in the US there'll be a window of opportunity to destroy the country at its weakest (military wise) due to a decline in soldiers and before the realisation that the US desperately needs PMCs?
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# ? Jun 20, 2014 08:16 |
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Republican Vampire posted:Old Timey Research found that most soldiers were unwilling to actually take another human life. I think the numbers in WW2/Korea were 1 in 5 would shoot to kill. The aim of US military recruiters since has been to focus on recruiting that one man out of five and to ensure that he winds up in a combat role. yeah as nice as it would be if that poo poo were true it turns out killing people is a pretty basic human thing and you dont have to be a psychopath to do it at all.
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# ? Jun 20, 2014 20:19 |
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The most ancient traditions of Western culture instruct us to base our self-respect on firmness of character. Many popular melodramas of moral courage provide satisfaction through the comforting fantasy that our own character would hold steady under the most extreme pressure of dreadful events. A permanent challenge of working with those injured by combat trauma is facing the painful awareness that in all likelihood one’s own character would not have stood firm. Merely allowing ourselves to hear the combat veteran’s story threatens our culturally defined sense of self-respect. We have powerful motives not to listen to the veteran’s story, or to deny its truth. ... Homer and the Greek tragic poets held the terrifying view that apparently stable adult character continues to be dependent and vulnerable, even after it has been established by good nurturing in childhood. According to these tragic poets, good character is dependent on good-enough stability and reliability of thémis and remains vulnerable to high-stakes betrayal of thémis by power holders. The moral dimension of trauma destroys virtue, undoes good character. Soldiers did not “set themselves up for it” when they received M-16 rifles that did not work. They did not “ask for it” any more than an eight-year-old girl or boy “asks for it” when he or she is raped by a relative. The insistence with which such reflexive equations as “set himself up for it” and “asked for it” push forward as an explanation for trauma is a reflection of how frightening and painful it is to believe accounts of high-stakes betrayal of “what’s right.” Normal adults wrap thémis around themselves as a mantle of safety in the world. Every trauma narrative pierces our adult cloak of safety; it challenges the rightness of thémis and leaves us terrified and disoriented. This is another powerful motive to deny the truth of trauma narratives, to avoid hearing them, or to forget them.
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# ? Jun 20, 2014 20:25 |
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Cream_Filling posted:the book talks about it to some extent
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# ? Jun 20, 2014 20:27 |
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Cream_Filling posted:The most ancient traditions of Western culture instruct us to base our self-respect on firmness of character. Many popular melodramas of moral courage provide satisfaction through the comforting fantasy that our own character would hold steady under the most extreme pressure of dreadful events. A permanent challenge of working with those injured by combat trauma is facing the painful awareness that in all likelihood one’s own character would not have stood firm. Merely allowing ourselves to hear the combat veteran’s story threatens our culturally defined sense of self-respect. We have powerful motives not to listen to the veteran’s story, or to deny its truth. where can I read more of this?
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stuntwaffle posted:where can I read more of this? http://books.google.com/books/about/Achilles_in_Vietnam.html?id=CEYDySjS0UwC
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# ? Jun 20, 2014 20:31 |
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ProperCoochie posted:My innercity high school had recruitment offices for the navy, army and marines built inside it. We heard pitches all the time. After 9/11, classes like economics and history would be canceled for a whole week just to hear their talks. Every class was canceled at least once. It's not that much of an exaggeration. You audition, get ranked on a list, wait for a spot to open up, and then enlist.
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# ? Jun 20, 2014 20:45 |
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Cream_Filling posted:Soldiers did not “set themselves up for it”
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# ? Jun 20, 2014 20:48 |
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Most soldiers are from middle class backgrounds
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# ? Jun 20, 2014 20:55 |
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Tezzor posted:Most soldiers are from middle class backgrounds I thought it was poors and people who couldn't afford college
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# ? Jun 20, 2014 21:32 |
gently caress the troops
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# ? Jun 20, 2014 22:41 |
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I met a guy who told me PTSD is a joke and he was a fat bearded certified Magic the Gathering judge
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# ? Jun 20, 2014 22:55 |
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Arian_Samurai posted:I met a guy who told me PTSD is a joke and he was a fat bearded certified Magic the Gathering judge Certified! He's a certified Card game Judge! Cracka prolly knows a thing or two about a thing or two, don't you go mocking him or he'll tap your poo poo into next week, hell.
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# ? Jun 21, 2014 02:08 |
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being in the military is 99% moving heavy boxes around and picking up cigarette butts and 1% throwing barely capped bottles of piss at arab children. never saw any rapeable women really, women there seem to agre really fast. cant blame the men over there for wanting to gently caress the really young ones, pretty much the only time their females are not completely disgusting. ptsd is for faggots
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FAGGY CLAUSE posted:being in the military is 99% moving heavy boxes around and picking up cigarette butts and 1% throwing barely capped bottles of piss at arab children. never saw any rapeable women really, women there seem to agre really fast. cant blame the men over there for wanting to gently caress the really young ones, pretty much the only time their females are not completely disgusting. ptsd is for faggots Sign me up! That sounds like every mans dream! especially that 1% aspect, I have always dreamed of hurling a bottle of body waste at infants and stamping on their necks with my Military life is exactly like Stanley Kubrick's Full Metal Jacket" right?
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