Full Battle Rattle posted:

It's hard to believe that there are still people that believe gay is contagious.

Full Battle Rattle posted:

It's hard to believe that there are still people that believe gay is contagious.

Hedera Helix posted:

But... I thought that Christianity placed an ideal upon chastity, and that the ideal human would have no sexual desires of their own. Or is that just a misreading?

Morter posted:

I think even though Jesus saves you of original sin, you still need baptism to get into Heaven. So you're just in purgatory.

Twelve by Pies posted:

Purgatory is also pretty much a non-Protestant only thing, as Protestants believe Jesus' death on the cross paid the price for all sins and no further work needs to be done to get rid of sin.

Vahakyla posted:

You have to admit, that would be cool.

Twelve by Pies posted:

Paul says in one of his letters that people should try to stay unmarried because they can focus more on God that way, whereas a married person also has to think about their spouse. He then said if you have sexual desires then go ahead and get married so you won't sin. Chastity is considered a virtue and it's a good thing in the eyes of Christianity but the view is that like other gifts such as prophecy or speaking in tongues, it's not something every person is capable of or called to do.

Full Battle Rattle posted:

That is true, but I often got the vibe that to have no sex is the ideal, and like you said, sex within the context of marriage is not really viewed as 'great!', it is viewed as 'acceptable', or as you put it, 'okay'.

FourLeaf posted:

I'm only familiar with the Southern Baptist position on this, but even though Jesus paid the price for our sins you'll still be punished for them unless you accept Jesus as your savior. And baptism is a symbol of that acceptance.

So I guess all those unbaptized fetuses are going straight to Hell? Even though they didn't really have time to commit sins...

A Bag of Milk posted:

The answer to this will depend on who you ask, but I believe Calvinists would say they go to hell. Original sin + no praying for forgiveness = cya. Although a question I wondered is, in what capacity would an aborted fetus perceive the afterlife? It may not even have a brain, let alone a collection of experiences with which to create a sense of self.

TPM posted:

DETROIT (AP) — The top legislative body of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) has voted by large margins to recognize same-sex marriage as Christian in the church constitution, adding language that marriage can be the union of "two people," not just "a man and a woman."

The amendment approved Thursday by the Presbyterian General Assembly requires approval from a majority of the 172 regional presbyteries, which will vote on the change over the next year. But in a separate policy change that takes effect at the end of this week's meeting, delegates voted to allow ministers to preside at gay weddings in states where the unions are legal and local congregational leaders approve. Nineteen states and the District of Columbia recognize same-sex marriage.

The votes, during a national meeting in Detroit, were a sweeping victory for Presbyterian gay-rights advocates. The denomination in 2011 eliminated barriers to ordaining clergy with same-sex partners, but ministers were still barred from celebrating gay marriages and risked church penalties for doing so. Alex McNeill, executive director of More Light Presbyterians, a gay advocacy group, said the amendment was "an answer to many prayers."

The Rev. Krystin Granberg of the New York Presbytery — in a state that recognizes gay marriage — said she receives requests "all the time" from friends and parishioners to preside at their weddings.

"They want to be married in the church they love and they want me to do it," Granberg said during the debate. "I want pastoral relief."

But Bill Norton, of the Presbytery de Cristo, which covers parts of Arizona and New Mexico, urged the assembly to delay any changes. "We are laying hands on something that is holy, that God has given us, so we need to be sure any changes we make are in accord with God's will revealed in Scripture," Norton said.

Since the 2011 gay ordination vote, 428 of the denomination's more than 10,000 churches have left for other more conservative denominations or have dissolved, though some theological conservatives have remained within the denomination as they decide how to move forward. The church now has about 1.8 million members.

The conservative Presbyterian Lay Committee decried the votes in Detroit as an "abomination." The assembly voted 371-238 to allow ministers to celebrate same-sex marriages, and 429-175 in favor of amending the definition of marriage in the constitution.

"The General Assembly has committed an express repudiation of the Bible, the mutually agreed upon Confessions of the PCUSA, thousands of years of faithfulness to God's clear commands and the denominational ordination vows of each concurring commissioner," the Presbyterian Lay Committee said in a statement.

Of the mainline Protestant denominations, only the United Church of Christ supports gay marriage outright. The Episcopal Church has approved a prayer service for blessing same-sex unions. The Evangelical Lutheran Church in America has eliminated barriers for gay clergy but allows regional and local church officials to decide their own policies on ordination and blessings for same-sex couples.

The largest mainline group, the United Methodist Church, with about 7.8 million U.S. members, bars ordaining people in same-sex relationships. However, church members have been debating whether to split over their different views of the Bible and marriage. Gay marriage supporters have been recruiting clergy to openly officiate at same-sex ceremonies in protest of church policy.

FlamingLiberal posted:

I feel like that is a response to the backlash for defrocking a priest who officiated his son's wedding last year. That was particularly dumb because apparently the marriage ceremony was in 09 or 10 but some awful person told the church leadership about it last year resulting in him losing his job.

Little_wh0re posted:

Is it? Howso?

zachol posted:

1 Corinthians 7 is pretty much exactly this.
Although a generous reading of could be implicitly giving the okay to gay marriage. Marriage is already a significant compromise. Indeed, the very reason it is (grudgingly) permitted is to avoid someone being overcome with passion from solitude and getting tempted by Satan; marriage is clearly about sex, not some higher union or procreation or whatever, and if that's the only justification it would be hard to say that gay marriage wouldn't have the same status.

On the other hand, it uses the words "man" and "woman" so what can ya do.

Tatum Girlparts posted:

From a bit back but I don't think any other Jewmo answered this.

That thing he's blowing is a Shofar, it's a sacred object in the Jewish faith that is mentioned in nearly every holy text we have. It historically was used often in our religious services and festivals. It's a fascinating instrument that can make many sounds, and considered a key part of Jewish culture, to the point that many Jewish groups fund 'Shofar studies' and such to teach people to play it, as each sound has a special meaning. It's basically the Jewish version of holy trumpeting (though we love us some trumpets too, and frequently combine them with Shofar blasts because poo poo yea everyone's gonna hear us). Nowadays there's more specific uses for it but it's still a common thing in most all the big days (it for example blows for the end of fasting and such) and of course for Rosh Hashanah.

Along with that, the ACT of blowing it is a great honor, something that when a community or temple or the like chooses one to be a blower it has to have approval of most of the community. It's straight up said that "The one who blows the shofar on Rosh Hashanah . . . should likewise be learned in the Torah and shall be God-fearing; the best man available." Using the Shofar even for secular use (there are Israeli/Jewish musicians who use it in their work) must be treated with respect, and it's generally considered that if you're putting your lips on it you better be a pretty decent guy even if it's for a band's gig, just out of basic respect for the instrument and its history. Also just on trivia since I brought up the wiki page to find that quote, the position normally called the 'Blaster' basically, but sometimes also refereed to as 'Master of the Blast' which is a pretty fuckin sweet title.

And this pigfuck is blasting away at a hate rally, one that most Jews don't even agree with to boot.

Nostalgia4Infinity posted:

I thought it was even later classically. Like several months after birth.

SubponticatePoster posted:

According to the Bible the soul enters the body on the baby's first breath.

SubponticatePoster posted:

According to the Bible the soul enters the body on the baby's first breath.

silvergoose posted:

Yeah I'm not even observant but that picture irritated the *gently caress* out of me.

SubponticatePoster posted:

According to the Bible the soul enters the body on the baby's first breath.

VitalSigns posted:

Well that's a ridiculous interpretation.

You should abandon that and believe something that makes sense: like God enjoys hoarding 60% of the souls He creates, so He puts the soul in when sperm meets egg, and makes sure that over half of pregnancies lead to spontaneous miscarriages. He needs to make sure his Divine Rank always stays ahead of Lucifer's and getting the lion's share of souls is the way to do it.

joat mon posted:

Cite?

Genesis 2:7 posted:

And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Ezekiel 37:5-6 posted:

5 Thus saith the Lord God unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:

6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the Lord.

quote:

22 If men strive, and hurt a woman with child, so that her fruit depart from her, and yet no mischief follow: he shall be surely punished, according as the woman's husband will lay upon him; and he shall pay as the judges determine.

23 And if any mischief follow, then thou shalt give life for life,

24 Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot,

25 Burning for burning, wound for wound, stripe for stripe.

Kalman posted:

Also the part where he's wearing a tallis, a Jewish religious shawl. Which you're only supposed to wear during prayers. And generally the over the head thing is only done by the ultras. And even they tend to reserve it for people making a serious study of Torah.

Basically, that picture is the Jewish religious equivalent of wearing blackface.

joat mon posted:

Cite?

Reveilled posted:

SubponticatePoster posted:

joat mon posted:

Hopefully this won't derail.

Little_wh0re posted:

Is it? Howso?

VitalSigns posted:

It's not so much that they think it's contagious: it's that they believe that sin is a sickness and a perversion. Normalizing it means that people predisposed to it will be more likely to engage in it rather than heroically overcoming it, and children with tendencies will be actively recruited. Thus we must not only disparage homosexuality, we must ban it to save people from damnation.

It's basically the same reason that conservatives condemn greed, acquisitiveness, and the pursuit of wealth and constantly advocate for aggressive wealth redistribution to fight the hold that the sinful love of mammon has on society.

Maybe you personally dislike force, but from their point of view it's all about saving souls.

FlamingLiberal posted:

I feel like that is a response to the backlash for defrocking a priest who officiated his son's wedding last year. That was particularly dumb because apparently the marriage ceremony was in 09 or 10 but some awful person told the church leadership about it last year resulting in him losing his job.

CapnAndy posted:

He's blowing a shofar, which can be used for secular purposes (but frequently isn't, since it's not that versatile an instrument). In this case, though, he's doing it not only wearing a tallit, he's covering his head with it. You only do that during prayer, and the only time a shofar is used during prayer is on Rosh Hashanna or Yom Kippur.

In other words, he's equating that little hate rally with the High Holy Days, which is just... how loving dare you.

I got beaten on the explanation, but still.

quote:

One of the women, Katie Donoghue -- who asked to be identified by her middle name because she had taken off work to attend the rally -- paused and shook her head. "I'm fearful of these incremental steps," she said. "They're teaching young children about bestiality now."

"And they're teaching them about sadomasochism," Andrea DelVecchio, her friend, added.

"And fisting!" Donoghue said. "Do you know what fisting is?"

Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5515276/

Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5515276/

quote:

Nearby, a 12-year-old girl named Jordan unfurled a rolled-up poster, revealing a phrase she had heard over and over that day and seen on hundreds of other signs: "Every child deserves a mom and a dad."

Rolling her eyes, she said her grandfather had brought her to the march.

"It's stupid," Jordan said, looking around at the crowd. "If two people feel a certain way about each other, then why shouldn't they get married? They shouldn't judge other people because of how they feel."

Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5515276/

quote:

"That child won't have a chance to live the way God intended us to live," Andujar said. "They will just keep the chain going and going. It will lead to no human race [or] reproduction."