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Alec Bald Snatch: Sep 12, 2012; by exmarx

amishbuttermaster posted:

She's seriously like the coolest First Lady we've ever had.

I dunno Rosalynn Carter's underground pit fighting ring in the White House basement was pretty hardcore. It made Henry Rollins into the man he is.

# ? Jun 20, 2014 23:32

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# ? Jun 9, 2024 03:10

HootTheOwl: May 13, 2012; Hootin and shootin

Did you guys forget how Hillary strangled Vince Foster with her bare hands while making out with her lesbian lover?

# ? Jun 20, 2014 23:49

amishbuttermaster: Apr 28, 2009

I nearly forgot about that. Was that before or after she was running drugs in private planes in and out of Arkansas?

Edit: The amount of crap Neo-Cons imagined and then pushed to try to take down the Clintons was really something else.

amishbuttermaster fucked around with this message at 23:57 on Jun 20, 2014

# ? Jun 20, 2014 23:54

Kilo147: Apr 14, 2007; You remind me of the boss
What boss?
The boss with the power
What power?
The power of voodoo
Who-doo?
You do.
Do what?
Remind me of the Boss.

gently caress this fascist piece of poo poo.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2014.../3001403219919/

# ? Jun 21, 2014 00:22

Ghost of Reagan Past: Oct 7, 2003; rock and roll fun

Berke Negri posted:

The Obamas are such a quintessential all-American poster child family that it is nearly saccharine, but they're black so right wingers will never realize this.

edit: if there is anything 'weird' about the family it is that they come off so perfect but without the veneer of fabrication like most smiling political families. Even what little we know of rocky points in the Obama marriage (almost seperating when campaigning pressue got out of control early in his political carrer) is so utterly human and understandable its like ugh what the hell

That's actually why most Americans actually like the Obamas, even if they disapprove of the job he's done.

Seriously, I don't think they understand that these kind of personal attacks just don't resonate with most Americans.

# ? Jun 21, 2014 00:30

kik2dagroin: Mar 23, 2007; Use the anger. Use it.

quote:

RUSH: Here's Dave in Salt Lake, Utah. Dave, great to have you on the EIB Network.

CALLER: Thanks for taking my call.

RUSH: Yes, sir.

CALLER: I would like to thank you for your ability to clearly describe what is going on. A few days ago you had a piece on the air about the correct definition of crony capitalism, and that it occurs with big government involvement in the free market.

RUSH: Yes, sir.

CALLER: I just want to thank you for accurately verbalizing what crony government is on the air to all your viewers.

RUSH: Well, I must confess, I had a little assistance that day. I found a really good piece about it at RedState.com. What was great about this piece was that it gave some examples. You, me, anybody can define crony capitalism as it exists today -- or crony socialism may be a better term.

CALLER: Well, that's interesting because I think that maybe you're in really such a great position to make new definitions. You've made definitions in the past that have caught on. I think maybe we need to replace some of these definitions. Like crony capitalism, should be replaced with one of two terms, like "crony government" or "Obama capitalists."

RUSH: I like "crony government," actually. Capitalism is under assault right now anyway.

CALLER: Right.

RUSH: So I don't think we need to put it in a name that is further stigmatized.

CALLER: When people sit there and say, "That's crony capitalism," we should turn it around and say, "Actually, it's crony government."

RUSH: Right. Right. But the real key to it -- and here's the thing. I'm going to take the occasion of your call to explain what I think is the fundamentally most important aspect of it. Most people labor under what are now false perceptions, misconceptions. One is that all business people are Republican, and the second one is that all businesspeople are for an unregulated free market where they're free to rip off and screw any customer they want.

That's what most people think it is, and it's not anymore. They used to think that capitalism was just brutal competition with all kinds of tricks and unfair practices. Companies try to destroy each other and so forth and out-build or out-invent or out-innovate. There's some companies that still practice business that way. Apple is one, for example.

But the way it's working today, if you have a willing president who is very happy for government to take over or join business, then it's much easier for a CEO to establish a relationship with the president, with the administration, and let that relationship serve as the primary competitive advantage he has over his competitors. For example, use Walmart.

Most people would think that Walmart is unfettered capitalists, Republicans through and through, great competitors. And yet, there they are helping Obamacare, helping Obamacare become reality. Why? The answer is they are so big, they can afford it. They know their competitors can't. So aligning themselves, crony government, with the Regime means Walmart does not have to lower their prices anymore.

They don't have to have more products, better, any of that. Their association with government alone can help them beat their competitors. General Electric is the same way with green energy. Costco supports the minimum wage? There's no business that supports a minimum wage increase. What the hell is that? Costco did, because they know their competitors can't afford it. They associate with Obama and get some breaks.

CALLER: Right.

RUSH: That's crony government, and this not how Republicans operate. It's not how conservatives operate. The big problem with it is that products are not getting better and services aren't getting any better, but companies are winning simply because of their crony relationship with Washington rather than standard business practices: Better product, better service, what have you.

CALLER: Earlier today you used another word. You said, "Bridgegate," and I sat there and I thought, "That work word '-gate' should be replaced with a better term that describes a cover-up, such as '-ghazi.'" Like instead of Bridgegate, it should be "Bridge-ghazi."

RUSH: Ghazi, as in Benghazi. Because Watergate is tied to Republicans and Benghazi is --

CALLER: Right.

RUSH: Well, your thinking on this is very solid. It really is. I'm glad that piece had impact with you. It seems more and more that our focus sadly is on the low-information crowd. And the problem with that is that most low-information people don't know that they are low-information people. The ignorant, by definition, don't know what they don't know. Therefore, they don't that they're ignorant. So they never think you're talking to them. And more and more that seems to be the target of what we have to do, because they're the ones that they're having the wool pulled over their eyes by slick packaging and marketing.

That's really nothing new. It just seems to be more successfully exploited today than I remember it being. But I could be wrong about that. It could be common parlance. I always strive to make sure I don't think something that is happening today is worse than ever. But man, I've never been, in my life, a country this precariously balanced. In my life the country has never been this threatened. The basics, the fundamentals, the foundation, has never been under assault like this. There's always been leftists. There's always been anti-American, blame America, first people. They've never been this numerous in leadership positions before. That's different, too.

BREAK TRANSCRIPT

RUSH: Ronaldus Magnus, ladies and gentlemen, 1975 interview on 60 Minutes. "It always has been. How do we call a liberal? You know, someone very profoundly once said many years ago that if fascism ever comes to America, it will come in the name of liberalism."

And then Reagan said, "And what is fascism? Fascism is private ownership, private enterprise, but total government control and regulation. Well, isn�t this the liberal philosophy? The conservative, so-called, is the one that says less government, get off my back, get out of my pocket, and let me have more control of my own destiny."

Reagan back in 1975. And I think most people today -- you know who the low-information crowd today is? Well, among them is the New York Times readers. New York Times readers today are the essence of low-information voters. That Scott Walker story, classic example. The readers of the New Republic are low-information readers. They don't know it. They think they know the gospel. They're being lied to and they just eagerly swallow every syllable of it.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2014/06/20/explaining_crony_government_to_the_low_info_crowd
Scott Walker, you say?! :zoid:

quote:

RUSH: The Scott Walker story, you know, I finally got to the bottom of this and I'm going to spend much more time on this later on. There's a headline in the Washington Post. This is really -- again, I'm out of adjectives. Well, it's worse than a smear. It is a smear, but I'm out of adjectives to describe what's going on.

"Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker Suspected of Coordinating with Outside Groups." He has been found not guilty of it! The case is over. Two judges have thrown the case out twice. There was never anything to the allegations. Nothing. Everything about the original subpoenas were thrown out. They were illegal. They were in violation of constitutional rights and the people who receive the subpoenas. I'll explain all this in detail in a minute. I didn't mean to get into this now, but it fits.

The point is, there is no case. There was no illegal outside coordinating on behalf of Scott Walker. He has been found not guilty twice. The Washington Post headline today: "Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker Suspected of Coordinating with Outside Groups." The readers of the Washington Post think that the investigation is just getting started and that Walker is going to be found guilty. It's worse than a smear. It's journalistic malpractice and it's not just the Washington Post. There is no story here. It's over.

Walker once again has been found not guilty. There never was anything to these allegations in the first place. This is just an out and out lie. This is the depths to which the left has sunk and is sinking. Even with that, when you learn this and are able to tell people and spell out exactly how the left is lying, smearing, or making things up, destroying conservatives -- literally on the warpath to destroy -- even when you can tell people, it doesn't provide any satisfaction. I don't get any satisfaction in illustrating for you how the Washington Post is lying. For the people that read it, it isn't going to matter.

The people that read it are going to think Walker is still guilty and the investigation is just beginning. The left is out to get him and they're gonna get him. And even if they don't, what's going to happen is that the low-information crowd on the left is going to come away from all of this thinking Scott Walker is the closest thing to a Mafioso running Wisconsin. That is the point they're trying to make. He has been exonerated by judges in Wisconsin. The case was so flimsy, not even the lib judges wanted to join it. And yet it's in the Washington Post.
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This is momentous what Scott Walker has done and he has done it with Reagan conservatism. He has revived the state, beat back the unions, beat back the Democrats on four different occasions in court and at the ballot box. He has produced a budget surplus. He has created tax rebates and refunds. The Democrats cannot let this stand. If the Republicans ever woke up, got some confidence, they would look at Scott Walker in Wisconsin and realize they have a blueprint on how to react and deal with everything Obama has done nationally.

It really is profound. It's great and it is magnificent. It's wonderful. It's stunning. That's why they're trying everything they can to impugn, to criminalize, to destroy Scott Walker. He stands as the antidote. He stands an example of what can be, that this country can be what it once was and it's obvious that the Democrat Party has no desire for this country to ever be prosperous when that prosperity and abundance is created by average men and women in this country. The Democrat Party, it is now clear, cannot abide prosperity and abundance that results from the hard work of the American people.

The Democrat Party is now insisting and mandating that the appearance of prosperity be associated with only one thing. Their president and their party and their policies. The truth of the matter is, their president and their party and their policies are on the way to fundamentally transforming this country into being something it was never intended to be, something it never has been and in practical terms will destroy it. It will destroy the engine that creates opportunity for prosperity for millions and millions of Americans. That's what they can't abide.

If a bunch of low-information Americans figure out that their route to abundance and prosperity lies within themselves, then the Democrat Party is cooked. So the Democrat Party needs as many people as possible thinking that they're victims of this unfair country and that they don't have a chance for prosperity or happiness or abundance ever. Those days were not real. Those days were a fad. Those days were foe, if you will. They were artificial. The real America is what we're on the way to being now, where there is hardship and victimization and discrimination and misery everywhere that only the government can address.

Their intention is for as many Americans as possible to think and believe that their lives are hopeless if left to themselves. The only way anybody will ever accomplish anything is through government. After all, that's where the Democrats derive their power. Scott Walker, Ronaldus Magnus, any number of Conservatives, the 80's demonstrate the falsity of the Democrat book. And so Scott Walker has to be taken out.
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Now let me illustrate beyond the New York Times with a Drive-By Media montage on the Scott Walker story. We have Devin Dwyer of ABC, Kate Bolduan of CNN, John King of CNN, Gwen Ifill of PBS, Peter Slen of C-SPAN, and Charlie Rose on CBS, all talking about allegations of illegal campaign fund-raising against Scott Walker.

DWYER: A potential Republican presidential candidate is accused of taking part in an illegal fund-raising scheme!

BOLDUAN: (b-roll noise) Prosecutors in Wisconsin say Governor Scott Walker took part in a criminal scheme!

KING: ...directly accusing Governor Scott Walker of being part of a criminal scheme!

IFILL: Prosecutors have accused Republican Governor Scott Walker of illegal fund-raising.

SLEN: Prosecutors have alleged that Governor Scott Walker was part of a wide ranging "criminal scheme."

ROSE: Prosecutors accuse him of playing a central role in illegal fundraising.

RUSH: Every one of them is doddering fool, and that's cutting them some slack. The alternative is they're all lying and they're doing it anyway. In this case, I'm goes to choose to believe that they're just happily, willfully ignorant and believe as gospel anything they read in the New York Times, because that's pretty much verbatim what they all said: "Accused of taking part in illegal fundraising."

Yeah, he was, and it was a false accusation. It was a bogus accusation that was thrown out in two courts. The subpoenas never even got passed the judge and out of the court. They were considered worthless. I mean, this is... It's clear what's going on here. You see, it doesn't matter that the Democrat prosecutors' case was nothing, and it doesn't matter that the Democrat prosecutors' case was thrown out.

It doesn't matter that the Democrat prosecutors lost.

All that matters is they tried to get Scott Walker, which permits their willing accomplices in the media to report that Walker was targeted because he might have been involved in illegal campaign schemes. That's how something that has been proven false twice ends up in the Drive-By Media as an ongoing story that "could end up with Walker being found guilty," even though that is not even possible.

So, you see, it doesn't matter.

It's all image PR and buzz. The reality? A distant destination that is of no concern.

All that matters is they tried to get Walker and the media says, "Ah-ha! Walker might be guilty," blah blah blah blah. See how this works?

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2014/06/20/the_disgusting_scott_walker_smear

A 19 year old called in and called all of his peers morons. Naturally him and Limbaugh chum it up over the topic

quote:

RUSH: Riley is who is 19 in San Antonio. I wanted to get to your call. I hated to have to interrupt you. For people who may not have heard, he wanted to know if I thought the American people were prepared for the result if Iraq falls to ISIS and Al Qaeda-related groups. I said, "I don't think they care. The American people are worn out on Iraq. The media has convinced us it was a total waste of time, not our business. There are too many pressing things here: The economy, the jobs, the border practically nonexistent," and you wanted to react to that and I wanted to hear what you say. So have it.

CALLER: Yes, well, just for the first thing I think most Americans are always complaining about is oil prices. If they do obtain Iraq, oil prices are going to go up probably twice as much.

RUSH: Yeah, but let me... Riley, let me interrupt you there, because here again, most people think that oil prices are the oil companies. Exxon is in charge of the gas prices. The low-information segment is not going to associate Iraq with gas. You're right, by the way. I'm not arguing with you. I'm playing devil's advocate.

The Low-Information Crowd is not going to associate the fall of Iraq, and Al-Qaeda gaining control of the fourth largest oil-producing country, with rising gas prices. They're going to think that it's a conspiracy of the oil companies taking advantage of that to raise the prices, and there will be people in the media encouraging that. Now, you're right. Don't understand. You're right. I wish people looked at it the way you do. Okay, go ahead and finish what you were saying.

CALLER: Second, it's just, you know, I see my own youth and you know, people my age -- in the next 10 to 15 years, we'll be running the world. We'll be having all the jobs, the communities will be in politics and such like that. The greatest thing I see that just frustrates me when it comes to my youth is the lack of just... knowledge, the ignorance to not know what is going on out there. The fact that they don't know and they do not care.

RUSH: That's the thing.

CALLER: I don't get it.

RUSH: I always vowed... I'm 63 and I always swore to myself I was never going to become your crazy grandfather in the basement always preaching to you about how it was in the good old days. So I think back to when I was 19 as you are, and I think, "Did I care?" Well, I did. But I was raised in a family to whom issues like this were commonly discussed with passionate opinions.

In our house, there was respect for everybody's opinion, but there was no squishiness. You had your opinion and you better back it up or you're going to be destroyed. And usually it was my dad doing the destroying. My friends used to come over and watch him destroy other squishy kids and their squishy opinions, but they left knowing what was right. So when I was 19, yeah, I cared.

But I also was hell bent on myself, too.

I was soon to be leaving home to strike out on my career. So I've asked myself, "Is it really that different in that sense as it was in 1969, '70, '71 when I was your age?" I have to think that it is. I mean, I have to think that you're right. There are so many more media distractions. There are so many more places you can go today to avoid these things. There was no social media, there wasn't any Internet when I was growing up. So if you wanted to watch television, you had three networks.

CALLER: Mmm-hmm.

RUSH: And if you wanted to read magazines, you had the news magazines. There wasn't a sci-fi channel. This wasn't TMZ or E! Entertainment TV, none of that. So anybody who was immersed in media back when I was a kid was immersed in news media and public affairs as well as entertainment media. There was no escaping it. Today you can if you want. Maybe you can't blame them. Some days I wouldn't watch this junk if I didn't have to for my job.

CALLER: Sometimes yes and sometimes no. But I feel in my heart that, you know, even if you do choose to look at the media distractions that are out there -- such as the music, hip-hop news, whatever is on there -- educating yourself about what's going on other than your own world is the best way, I believe, to defend yourself against something that you do not agree with. Somebody who's trying to take over your world or your point of view is going to take over by ignorance. Ignorance is by far the best weapon any kind of terrorist or any kind of scandal has. Ignorance is by far the greatest weapon anybody has against the American people.

RUSH: There's no question about it. That's an interesting term that you've used, and you are mature beyond your years. You are a delight. But let me ask you something, because you know a lot more people your age than I do. My perception... Tell me if I'm write or wrong. My perception is that a lot of people your age think "ignorance" today equals people who, say, oppose gay marriage or equals people who are conservatives or whatever.

CALLER: Absolutely. It's just insane. It's not as common here in Texas, because we are after all -- I'm proud to say this -- the buckle of Christian faith on the southern border and such like that. We're a little more conservative than most other states. But you know, we still have places like Austin where if you're against gay marriage or Planned Parenthood, such like that, you're an ignorant bigot. That's what they'll call you, as an example.

RUSH: You're an ignorant bigot, therefore domestic Americans are the big ignoramuses, not them for not understanding the threats the country faces.

CALLER: Yeah.

RUSH: They think the biggest threat is posed by people who oppose gay marriage, for example. The biggest threat is posed by people who are pro-life. The biggest threat is the people who believe in a traditional set of values. They're not even thinking about the threat that's posed by Al-Qaeda or ISIS. In that sense, they're the ones -- this is what you're saying -- who are truly ignorant.

CALLER: Yes. I fear we're turning into a world where it's upside down, where right is wrong and wrong is right. It's like a cancer. If we don't stop it while it's small, it just continues to grow and grow and eventually it will come consume us.

RUSH: How do you deal with people your age? Because I have to tell you, Riley, it's frustrating for all of us and I assume you're a minority where you are in thinking.

CALLER: I'm somewhere in the middle. In some places, I would be an extreme minority. In some places, I would be a majority. It just depends on where you are.

RUSH: That's true.

CALLER: You were asking, how do I deal with that. How do I deal with people who, you know, call me an ignorant bigot because I believe in traditional values, Christian values and such like that.

RUSH: Yeah. Yeah.

CALLER: It's just patience, honestly. I have been known to have a temper, mind you, but I pride myself in knowing that I can hold my patience with a conversation because I choose not to lose my anger. I choose to have an intellectual conversation with someone who has a different opinion than me so that I may educate myself and learn what their opinion is. And if I do not agree with them, I will respectfully tell them I don't and show my points of view. That's the perfect conversation I like to have.

RUSH: Let me ask you, how many of those conversations do you get to have? How many people do you really get to have what you're describing as an intellectual conversation with? Meaning, so many people aren't using their minds. They're simply feeling certain ways and that's all they can convey to you. If they feel something is wrong, then it's wrong. You get into an intellectual conversation with them about substance -- "No. It's not the way you see it; here's the way it is" -- and they just totally ignore you, because they don't think it's true.

CALLER: When it's older men from around 29, I would say, 31 to about your age, Rush, and a little older, I've always been comfortable talking to adults. It's been children and kids just slightly my age when I was growing up that I always had trouble talking to, always. Because as a kid I always felt more comfortable speaking at a higher -- I don't want to say I'm smarter than everyone. I just want to say I've always been more comfortable speaking to people who have more experience or more of a higher vocabulary than of my own. So that I may improve my own.

RUSH: I get it. I mean, you're a thinker.

CALLER: Yes.

RUSH: I was the same way as you. I much preferred being around adults. It was more stimulating to me than particularly younger people. But everybody is different. There's no right or wrong about that. But I just want you to know I understand that. I'm curious, a lot of people probably are, you deal with it with patience. But how much of it is there? I mean, do you ever throw up your hands in frustration on how surrounded you are by people you think ought to know more and ought to care more about some of these really serious things that don't?

CALLER: Absolutely. Whenever I go into town or, you know, I strike up a conversation with friends of friends or something like that or I'm in a group or something like that, and you know, there's this big crisis going on or this big scandal going on. All they want to talk about is Katy Perry or Lady Gaga or just whatever is on the hot news right now --

RUSH: Justin Bieber.

CALLER: -- on the American media and the American teenage media. And I sit there, like, why does that really matter? Do you like their music? Okay, that's fine. It's good music. But do you not know what's going on here? And normally about 95 to 85% I would say, do not know what's going on outside of their own --

RUSH: So Riley, what is it like for you dating? What are the women your age like?

CALLER: About my age, 19, 18 to 20, about that age.

RUSH: Do they believe there's a War on Women being conducted by the Republicans? Do they really believe all that and are they militant in ways? Can you treat them as women and they appreciate it?

CALLER: Well, the nice things about living in Texas is --

RUSH: Well, that's true. The reason I ask that. I had a story -- I didn't get to this story, holding it for a week. It's "8 Acts Of Chivalry." It's an advice piece. How to be chivalrous with a woman. And when I looked at it I said, "You mean to tell me this is new to some people?" Opening a car door, you take the street side if you're walking on the sidewalk, the man does.

CALLER: Yes.

RUSH: Eight common ordinary decent manner things were being written about as though nobody knows this. It was just standard, just genuine decency and politeness. I will admit that the feminists of my age didn't like you opening the door for them. They didn't like you complimenting their appearance. They took everything as an insult to their intelligence when did you that.

CALLER: It's mostly the complete opposite over here. They expect you to open the door and to you know, be kind to them. Treat them as adults, treat them as women, but country women down here, they do not take any BS from feminists or people who think they're better than other people. They will not take any BS.

RUSH: Well, Riley, you keep on. I'm flattered, honored that you started out as a Rush baby and you're still hanging in there. And I can hear why, so thank you very much. All the best. Stay in touch.

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2014/06/20/teen_on_the_ignorance_of_his_generation
Goddamn kids these days! Getting their tips on chivalry from the Internet and blogs!!! :bahgawd:

# ? Jun 21, 2014 00:53

moths: Aug 25, 2004; I would also still appreciate some danger.

I like when he's out-of-touch liberal royalty that bootstrapped his way up from a dusty village in Kenya. Whereas Romney,

# ? Jun 21, 2014 01:19

Shbobdb: Dec 16, 2010; by Reene

As much of a disappointment as Obama has been and recognizing that I probably should have voted for Hillary in the 2000 primary, if Michelle were to primary Hillary in the next election I'd be sorely tempted to make the same mistake all over again.

# ? Jun 21, 2014 01:35

Alkydere: Jun 7, 2010; Capitol: A building or complex of buildings in which any legislature meets.
Capital: A city designated as a legislative seat by the government or some other authority, often the city in which the government is located; otherwise the most important city within a country or a subdivision of it.

HootTheOwl posted:

Oh my god guys this is amazing. He keeps getting cut off because he decides the best way to say "Redskins isn't racist" is to say every other racial slur to learn which ones get him cut off. His station manager came into the studio and told him to stop and he said no. The Orson Welles of our time.

"My manager's been in here twice telling me he has to cut me off if I say certain words. So I'm going to try a sneak attack. I am incredibly pro-Israel, and I'm married to a Jewish woman that I love deeply, so-""I don't believe it! My savings are gone!"

This is just magical. :allears:

# ? Jun 21, 2014 01:49

Hazo: Dec 30, 2004; SCIENCE

A bit of a different track, but:

After reading that the dipshits here in South Carolina voted to abolish Common Core education, I went digging around to learn more. It's doubtful that much will change, according to South Carolina's The State newspaper, though that remains to be seen. The frightening part is the motivation behind getting rid of CC and lowering education standards.

This Fox News Op-Ed inadvertently does a nice job laying out how it has nothing to do with the welfare of students; it's just more OBAMA BAD GUBMINT BAD nonsense (sort of like how you see people blaming "Obama's EPA" for "killing coal jobs"). And then there's this, from noted lunatic and (thankfully former) state superintendent hopeful Sheri Few.

quote:

"I think we need to return to a classical form of education, which is what we taught 50 or 60 years ago," Few said.

But no, it's the liberals who want to indoctrinate our kids.

# ? Jun 21, 2014 01:53

AsInHowe: Jan 11, 2007; red winged angel

Ghost of Reagan Past posted:

That's actually why most Americans actually like the Obamas, even if they disapprove of the job he's done.

Seriously, I don't think they understand that these kind of personal attacks just don't resonate with most Americans.

The Tea Party folk live in bubbles of their own construction, whether it's a rural location or a right-wing media opinion sphere. They literally cannot understand that the entire country isn't frothing mad at the Obamas all the time, like they are. Naturally, once they get out of their bubble to spread their message, they look like fools.

# ? Jun 21, 2014 02:31

Azuth0667: Sep 20, 2011; By the word of Zoroaster, no business decision is poor when it involves Ahura Mazda.

Shbobdb posted:

As much of a disappointment as Obama has been and recognizing that I probably should have voted for Hillary in the 2000 primary, if Michelle were to primary Hillary in the next election I'd be sorely tempted to make the same mistake all over again.

I'd make the same mistake too, the only way this could be better is if it was a black gay woman running. It would kill :foxnews:

as half of their demographic immediately has rage/stress induced heart attacks.

# ? Jun 21, 2014 02:38

Zuhzuhzombie!!: Apr 17, 2008; FACTS ARE A CONSPIRACY BY THE CAPITALIST OPRESSOR

7thBatallion posted:

gently caress this fascist piece of poo poo.

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2014.../3001403219919/

Santorum didn't say that quote.

Hilary would have been just as awful as Obama. She's way too far out of touch to be President but if she's the nominee in 2016 she'll probably win it and we'll be bombing little brown people for peace and giving millions of dollars to the rich for the sake of the poor for another four years.

# ? Jun 21, 2014 03:06

Dr Christmas: Apr 24, 2010; Berninating the one percent,
Berninating the Wall St.
Berninating all the people
In their high rise penthouses!
🔥😱🔥🔫👴🏻

Hazo posted:

A bit of a different track, but:

After reading that the dipshits here in South Carolina voted to abolish Common Core education, I went digging around to learn more. It's doubtful that much will change, according to South Carolina's The State newspaper, though that remains to be seen. The frightening part is the motivation behind getting rid of CC and lowering education standards.

This Fox News Op-Ed inadvertently does a nice job laying out how it has nothing to do with the welfare of students; it's just more OBAMA BAD GUBMINT BAD nonsense (sort of like how you see people blaming "Obama's EPA" for "killing coal jobs"). And then there's this, from noted lunatic and (thankfully former) state superintendent hopeful Sheri Few.

But no, it's the liberals who want to indoctrinate our kids.

That part about a classical education is baffling. The right, and others, are all about hating on people with majors in humanities or whatever non-STEM fields that they have deemed unworthy of employment. People are increasingly saying that college should train you for a job and nothing else, and a classical education moves away from that, right?

# ? Jun 21, 2014 03:07

socialsecurity: Aug 30, 2003

Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:

Santorum didn't say that quote.

Hilary would have been just as awful as Obama. She's way too far out of touch to be President but if she's the nominee in 2016 she'll probably win it and we'll be bombing little brown people for peace and giving millions of dollars to the rich for the sake of the poor for another four years.

Yeah I can't imagine any position she would of been better then Obama on, remember she started the whole birther bullshit.

# ? Jun 21, 2014 03:11

boner confessor: Apr 25, 2013; by R. Guyovich

Dr Christmas posted:

That part about a classical education is baffling. The right, and others, are all about hating on people with majors in humanities or whatever non-STEM fields that they have deemed unworthy of employment. People are increasingly saying that college should train you for a job and nothing else, and a classical education moves away from that, right?

The "Classical Education" line is lovely political speech, it means whatever you want it to mean. I Care For You. I Understand Your Problems, And Will Fix Them. I Will Return Things To The Way They Ought To Be.

# ? Jun 21, 2014 03:14

Good Citizen: Aug 12, 2008; trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump

socialsecurity posted:

Yeah I can't imagine any position she would of been better then Obama on, remember she started the whole birther bullshit.

I think the idea is that he wasn't ready for the level of political wrangling that has been necessary and Hillary first and then Obama second might have turned out better.

I kind of disagree just because the affordable care act got passed and I think Hillary might not have had the will to push that kind of thing through early

# ? Jun 21, 2014 03:22

HootTheOwl: May 13, 2012; Hootin and shootin

Dr Christmas posted:

That part about a classical education is baffling. The right, and others, are all about hating on people with majors in humanities or whatever non-STEM fields that they have deemed unworthy of employment. People are increasingly saying that college should train you for a job and nothing else, and a classical education moves away from that, right?

There's been this psudo-promise in this country that getting a degree will garuntee you a job...somewhere... so if the degree is to get you a job, why isn't it focused on job training?
It's bullshit because you're having 19 year olds make decisions that impact the rest of their lives and then point and laugh when they feel entitled to a job because you spent their entire life promising them that's how it worked. Combine this with predatory diploma mills (online colleges) and degrees that don't really qualify you for a job outside academia and the problem compounds itself. The schools get more money to enforce the narrative that the schools are the gateways to any future and drive teenagers into massive debts that they can't ever escape from.

# ? Jun 21, 2014 03:23

AsInHowe: Jan 11, 2007; red winged angel

HootTheOwl posted:

There's been this psudo-promise in this country that getting a degree will garuntee you a job...somewhere... so if the degree is to get you a job, why isn't it focused on job training?
It's bullshit because you're having 19 year olds make decisions that impact the rest of their lives and then point and laugh when they feel entitled to a job because you spent their entire life promising them that's how it worked. Combine this with predatory diploma mills (online colleges) and degrees that don't really qualify you for a job outside academia and the problem compounds itself. The schools get more money to enforce the narrative that the schools are the gateways to any future and drive teenagers into massive debts that they can't ever escape from.

Teachers and parents.

All of my college debts were racked up because my dad assumed that everyone immediately gets a job right after college, like he did in 1979.

# ? Jun 21, 2014 03:33

Kilo147: Apr 14, 2007; You remind me of the boss
What boss?
The boss with the power
What power?
The power of voodoo
Who-doo?
You do.
Do what?
Remind me of the Boss.

Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:

Santorum didn't say that quote.

Sorry, gently caress the NOM. Santorum is still an rear end in a top hat, though.

I'm just glad to see only a few hundred showed up for their little protest.

# ? Jun 21, 2014 03:39

Zuhzuhzombie!!: Apr 17, 2008; FACTS ARE A CONSPIRACY BY THE CAPITALIST OPRESSOR

Good Citizen posted:

I kind of disagree just because the affordable care act got passed and I think Hillary might not have had the will to push that kind of thing through early

She already blew her shot at it anyway.

# ? Jun 21, 2014 03:56

Shbobdb: Dec 16, 2010; by Reene

Good Citizen posted:

I think the idea is that he wasn't ready for the level of political wrangling that has been necessary and Hillary first and then Obama second might have turned out better.

I kind of disagree just because the affordable care act got passed and I think Hillary might not have had the will to push that kind of thing through early

Are you kidding? HillaryCare was a HUGE portion of Hillary's campaign and a huge part of her baggage. Obama's plan was the "reasonable" rightwing alternative. Notably, it was one of the few areas where Campaign Obama was to the right of (campaign) Hillary. It's also one of the only aspects of campaign Obama that actually translated into policy.

Funny the way things work out.

# ? Jun 21, 2014 04:03

Guilty Spork: Feb 26, 2011; Thunder rolled. It rolled a six.

Grover Norquist apparently decided to get into a Twitter slapfight with Conan O'Brien

@ConanOBrien posted:

Grover Norquist wants to rename the Redskins, the �Washington Reagans.� So they�ll at least be able to beat Grenada.

@GroverNorquist posted:

And Soviet Union MT @ConanOBrien: Grover Norquist wants to rename the Redskins, the " Reagans.� So they�ll at least be able to beat Grenada.

@ConanOBrien posted:

.@GroverNorquist Sorry, Soviet Union technically happened under G.H.W. Bush. But I'll give you Gaddafi's tent.

@GroverNorquist posted:

Newsflash: Andrew Johnson wins Civil War. RT @ConanOBrien: .@GroverNorquist Sorry, Soviet Union technically happened under G.H.W. Bush.

@ConanOBrien posted:

.@GroverNorquist Right on all counts, Grover. And Warren Harding kicked the Spanish Flu's rear end.

# ? Jun 21, 2014 04:04

Hazo: Dec 30, 2004; SCIENCE

Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:

Santorum didn't say that quote.

Hilary would have been just as awful as Obama. She's way too far out of touch to be President but if she's the nominee in 2016 she'll probably win it and we'll be bombing little brown people for peace and giving millions of dollars to the rich for the sake of the poor for another four years.

Because this wouldn't happen with whoever the GOP decides to prop up...? Or are you one of those people who thinks this country is actually ready for a genuine leftist third-party candidate in a general election?

Dr Christmas posted:

That part about a classical education is baffling. The right, and others, are all about hating on people with majors in humanities or whatever non-STEM fields that they have deemed unworthy of employment. People are increasingly saying that college should train you for a job and nothing else, and a classical education moves away from that, right?

HootTheOwl posted:

There's been this psudo-promise in this country that getting a degree will garuntee you a job...somewhere... so if the degree is to get you a job, why isn't it focused on job training?
It's bullshit because you're having 19 year olds make decisions that impact the rest of their lives and then point and laugh when they feel entitled to a job because you spent their entire life promising them that's how it worked. Combine this with predatory diploma mills (online colleges) and degrees that don't really qualify you for a job outside academia and the problem compounds itself. The schools get more money to enforce the narrative that the schools are the gateways to any future and drive teenagers into massive debts that they can't ever escape from.

While these are genuine problems, the Common Core fight has more to do with standardized K-12 education, not college. It's about "get government and their decades of research about improving education out of our public schools so my precious snowflake isn't exposed to liberal ideas like 'science' and 'reading.'"

# ? Jun 21, 2014 04:20

Grand Theft Autobot: Feb 28, 2008; I'm something of a fucking idiot myself

Grover, that isn't even close to a good analogy.

# ? Jun 21, 2014 04:25

HackensackBackpack: Aug 20, 2007; Who needs a house out in Hackensack? Is that all you get for your money?

Hazo posted:

It's about "get government and their decades of research about improving education out of our public schools so my precious snowflake isn't exposed to liberal ideas like 'science' and 'reading.'"

So this, but not a joke:

# ? Jun 21, 2014 04:48

Good Citizen: Aug 12, 2008; trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump trump

Shbobdb posted:

Are you kidding? HillaryCare was a HUGE portion of Hillary's campaign and a huge part of her baggage. Obama's plan was the "reasonable" rightwing alternative. Notably, it was one of the few areas where Campaign Obama was to the right of (campaign) Hillary. It's also one of the only aspects of campaign Obama that actually translated into policy.

Funny the way things work out.

I think Hillary would have realized that the winds were changing in 2010 and would have 'triangulated' herself into giving up on the idea, while Obama still had enough idealism at that point to push it through thinking it would be judged on its merits (lol).

But we're talking about a world that never was so who knows?

# ? Jun 21, 2014 04:56

Dr.Zeppelin: Dec 5, 2003

President Hillary is motivated by calculated centrism and not misplaced idealism and ironically ends up making the exact same decisions that Obama does about everything as a result.

# ? Jun 21, 2014 05:01

moths: Aug 25, 2004; I would also still appreciate some danger.

Shbobdb posted:

Are you kidding? HillaryCare was a HUGE portion of Hillary's campaign and a huge part of her baggage.

He's probably talking about when she blocked Obamacare way back when the Republicans introduced it.

# ? Jun 21, 2014 05:03

Dr.Zeppelin: Dec 5, 2003

Has anyone put together any credible theories or informed speculation about what would have happened to Obama in the Hillverse? I've heard people throw SCOTUS around but I don't know if that's based on anything other than his law background.

# ? Jun 21, 2014 05:04

Raskolnikov38: Mar 3, 2007; We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

Guilty Spork posted:

Grover Norquist apparently decided to get into a Twitter slapfight with Conan O'Brien

Nice to see literal man child Grover Norquist is still his dumb old self.

# ? Jun 21, 2014 05:09

Dr. Arbitrary: Mar 15, 2006; Bleak Gremlin

Guilty Spork posted:

Grover Norquist apparently decided to get into a Twitter slapfight with Conan O'Brien

So who should get credit for freeing hostages in the Iran Hostage Crisis?

# ? Jun 21, 2014 05:15

Paint Crop Pro: Mar 22, 2007; Find someone who values you like Rick Spielman values 7th round picks.

Hazo posted:

But no, it's the liberals who want to indoctrinate our kids.

Its a strange world when it comes to conservatives and education. It boils down to "It was good enough for me, my daddy and his daddy. It's good enough for you." When you mention that the US ranks terribly in education they then just shift the blame to the teachers for not doing a good enough job. Completely ignoring the fact that doing the same thing for decades and decades will eventually leave you stagnant and lacking behind any one else.

# ? Jun 21, 2014 05:34

Hazo: Dec 30, 2004; SCIENCE

OxySnake posted:

Its a strange world when it comes to conservatives and education. It boils down to "It was good enough for me, my daddy and his daddy. It's good enough for you." When you mention that the US ranks terribly in education they then just shift the blame to the teachers for not doing a good enough job. Completely ignoring the fact that doing the same thing for decades and decades will eventually leave you stagnant and lacking behind any one else.

My grandmother and I like to do crossword puzzles together on long car rides, and she continually has trouble with pronouncing unfamiliar words because she says that sadly she was never taught phonics when she was in school; it was all by rote and memorization. She's also a diehard old school conservative (like most 80+ year-olds) and would, unfortunately, probably be on board with this trend of rolling back education standards to the 50s.

# ? Jun 21, 2014 06:44

ProperGanderPusher: Jan 13, 2012

Dr Christmas posted:

That part about a classical education is baffling. The right, and others, are all about hating on people with majors in humanities or whatever non-STEM fields that they have deemed unworthy of employment. People are increasingly saying that college should train you for a job and nothing else, and a classical education moves away from that, right?

Schools with a classical model of teaching and learning, in spite of their massive bend towards the humanities, tend to give conservatives massive boners due to the schools' insistence that their children are getting the same education as ARE FOUNDING FATHERS, with a heavy emphasis on classical languages and the western canon. I actually kind of like this educational model myself, but for the right reasons (hell yes I want my kid to know three languages and quote Homer from memory :colbert:

# ? Jun 21, 2014 07:40

Spacedad: Sep 11, 2001; We go play orbital catch around the curvature of the earth, son.

So Palin threatens to leave the GOP unless they impeach Obama for not sending desperate immigrant children fleeing dangerous situations in their home countries all to mexico. Or something? I don't know. I'm very confused. :confused:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edzvXasiWCs

So she's also crying crocodile tears bashing Obama for the suffering children while threatening to make them suffer more by deporting them. Not sure if that also means putting children who aren't even from mexico into mexico, but I guess it's all brown to her racist goggle-eyes.

I don't even know, really. She apparently wrote a kind of facebook manifesto about it all too - a manifesto that I'm having a real hard time making sense of.

http://www.politicususa.com/2014/06/13/sarah-palin-threatens-leave-gop-obama-flies-abandoned-kids-mexico.html

quote:

These thousands of hungry, innocent children rushing in through Mexico are just the tip of the Sedona Red Rocks (granted, some of these illegals are 18-year-old men whom you wouldn�t want to mess with, but, still, according to Obamacare we now dub young adults �children� until they�re 26, so�). Expect to see hundreds of thousands of another country�s children walk right through our welcoming open border, counting on America�s families to render all aid. We owe it to ourselves to be prepared � so, work even harder, working class, while our President uses his trustworthy discernment to redistribute your paycheck, because it IS for the children, after all. And it takes a village, don�t you know?

�.
We cannot ignore this, and to do so proves you are heartlessly oblivious to the plight of those who, though not willing and able to follow rules or our laws, are expecting a free pass and handout anyway. As a Christian I find it unforgivable to ignore this issue of overrunning border security into these conditions in southern states, and this one issue is just about driving me to renounce my Republican ties because, see, even leaders on the RIGHT side of the aisle haven�t exerted all Constitutional power to stop the madness. A few have tried, but until they�re sent reinforcements, then atrocities like the child abuse and exploitation you�re now getting wind of will only get worse.
�.

So, how much more will you take, Congress and We the People? I sense not enough guts in D.C. to file impeachment charges against Team Obama for their countless documented illegalities, so the way to stop this is at the ballot box. To fundamentally restore America to her destined exceptionalism you must get involved and then get to that box. Use YOUR phone and pen to support conservative candidates who will fight for what is right: Constitutionally protected freedom, respected military, free markets to create jobs, and secured borders to protect jobs! We need your help to do this; it takes more than a village to fortify the homeland. ANYONE associated with support for Obama�s deceptive ploys that would stoop to using and abusing innocent children must be voted out of office. ANYONE who has shined the boot that Obama�s put on the neck of our economy and security must be held accountable by those with the legal power to do so � Congress. And then We the People hold Congress accountable.
�.
P.S. I see that HHS is offering a $350 million grant to provide �family planning services� to the children here illegally. The primary expenditure we need to supply in this humanitarian crisis is jet fuel to fly these children back home to their parents.

I think she's trying to string about six different ideas together and connect them with xenophobia, RINO-ish party-riling, and Obama attacks, cemented with some a bloo bloo crocodile tears for children she doesn't give a poo poo about. It's like she literally took the bullet point list of topics she's supposed to repeat endlessly as recommended to her by a Republican strategist, and then failingly tried to cram them all in a meat grinder.

Spacedad fucked around with this message at 08:10 on Jun 21, 2014

# ? Jun 21, 2014 08:00

PsychoInternetHawk: Apr 4, 2011; Perhaps, if one wishes to remain an individual in the midst of the teeming multitudes, one must make oneself grotesque.; Grimey Drawer

Dr.Zeppelin posted:

Has anyone put together any credible theories or informed speculation about what would have happened to Obama in the Hillverse? I've heard people throw SCOTUS around but I don't know if that's based on anything other than his law background.

Could be VP, heads the ticket in 2016 regardless. I'd wager Hillary winning the primary would have simply moved the Obama presidency to a later date.

# ? Jun 21, 2014 08:12

VitalSigns: Sep 3, 2011

PsychoInternetHawk posted:

Could be VP, heads the ticket in 2016 regardless.

It would be unconstitutional for Hillary to select Obama as Vice President when his foreign birth makes him ineligible to be President.

# ? Jun 21, 2014 08:14

Die Sexmonster!: Nov 30, 2005

PsychoInternetHawk posted:

Could be VP, heads the ticket in 2016 regardless. I'd wager Hillary winning the primary would have simply moved the Obama presidency to a later date.

No way is Obama going to be her VP, he's expressed a strong interest in a vacation after his term ends. Well-deserved, I say.

# ? Jun 21, 2014 08:24

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Homura and Sickle: Apr 21, 2013

Pyroxene Stigma posted:

No way is Obama going to be her VP, he's expressed a strong interest in a vacation after his term ends. Well-deserved, I say.

Nah man he means back in 08. Like in that universe we're laughing at how Obama has adopted the Onion Obama persona while drinking ourselves to death.

# ? Jun 21, 2014 08:31

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