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MasterSlowPoke posted:What in the world makes Grotsnik worth over 3x the cost of a Painboy? Name recognition? He gives fearless and rampage and has a powerclaw. Oh and Boys get the Stikkbombs for "free" in general, so slugga & choppa boys have them at 6 pts. That could have been clearer. Tankbustas also have proper meltabombs instead of the old ones. Probably no reason to take a tankhammer over a PK nob. krursk fucked around with this message at 04:44 on Jun 26, 2014 |
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Can you explain how Da Lucky Stikk works? I saw the early leak of the relics, but re-rolling any failed hit, wound, or saving throw so long as you don't fail them again 3 times in the same turn seemed too strong. Seems like an auto-include for an army with high-strength and good armor saves, like mega-nobs.
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Jun 26, 2014 05:51
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I've got to stop putting my Valks/Vendettas in Hover Mode. TW: Un/Barely painted and slightly busted-up models. I know, I know, still getting around to painting them. 
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Discospawn posted:Can you explain how Da Lucky Stikk works? I saw the early leak of the relics, but re-rolling any failed hit, wound, or saving throw so long as you don't fail them again 3 times in the same turn seemed too strong. Seems like an auto-include for an army with high-strength and good armor saves, like mega-nobs. It does seem pretty good. have a look for yourself.  Edit: I don't know if its a nerf or not but I checked regular mek tools to compare to the fancy ones and they are a +5 repair now. They used to be 4+ but a 1 caused shaken. krursk fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Jun 26, 2014 |
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Man I'm glad my deffrollas aren't glued on. From the looks of things there's good and bad changes and a lot of old strategies need to be rethought. But, heck, run and charge... Yes please.
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I'm not so sure about the run and charge. Even in 5th edition when you could do that, I found that it was almost always better to shoot and then assault. With planked battlewagons choppa boys backed up with stormboys could/will! work well, but I think footslogging is going to suffer badly as boys are susceptible to pinning and panic. Edit: For anyone who is interested the Shokk Attack Gun is almost exactly the same as the last one. The doubles are the same with the exception that 1+1 removes only the BigMek and 6+6 pops down a vortex. You can also take a gitfinder, so -3 to your scatter for 5 points. krursk fucked around with this message at 07:31 on Jun 26, 2014 |
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krursk posted:I'm not so sure about the run and charge. Even in 5th edition when you could do that, I found that it was almost always better to shoot and then assault. With planked battlewagons choppa boys backed up with stormboys could/will! work well, but I think footslogging is going to suffer badly as boys are susceptible to pinning and panic. The difference to 5th is that you also get a reroll to one of the die on your assault. So now it's not unlikely to cover 16 inches in a turn on foot and potentially 24 inches.
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The gitfinders on SAGs sound sweet. Do boyz only get one nob still? Seems like you can scatter a few meks to side units now to compensate for the problem with challenges taking out your only nob at least if it's the same. Relic costs seem decent.
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Fast attack has gotten a large buff with the big drop in points for bikes, buggies, Koptas and Stormboyz. 25pts for a twinlinked rokkit is great. 18 point bikes. Personally, my problem is that my buggy units had a theme. Now I have to build more go-karts. Does anyone in the UK have two landspeeder chassis going spare? My Meganobz are smiling as well. I can buy them a painboy and there is a relic for +1ws which lets the Mega-armour boss re-roll hits, good times. Seems cool.
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The Lucky Stick is a pretty dang sweet piece of Wargear considering you know you can just stop.
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So on Sunday I did a thing...   Biggest game our club has done at 10k points a side. Couldn't physically fit all the gaunts in the deployment zone at the start, and we only had time to finish the first two turns. I managed to fail nearly all my charges on the second turn too, so the Imperial side was winning 12-4 when we called it. Probably could have clawed something back with a couple more turns. I did manage to kill Calgar during his finest hour though - despite him rolling the T10 2++ trait. The moral of the story is that I need some Harridans for the next time... and probably that Tyrannofex formation from the Valedor book.
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Sulecrist posted:+++GOD-EMPEROR GRANT ME THE BOLTGUN TO KILL THE THINGS I CANNOT BURN, THE FLAMER TO BURN THE THINGS I CAN, AND THE AUSPEX TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE+++ This is one of the coolest schemes I've seen in a while, and I'm probably going to use it. Awesome job!
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How to paint orky metals, easy and quick. 1) Prime with Krylon Matte Aluminum. Only the matte, never satin or gloss.  2) Apply rust with a blister sponge. This was Vallejo Rust Brown.  3) Wash the whole model with black wash (GW Nuln Oil). I used a whole pot....  4) Paint gubbins and details. Work complete.   
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Sneaky Homunculus posted:How to paint orky metals, easy and quick. This is pretty rad. Good stuff! I too have been painting mans during the forum downtime. Made some more progress on my White Panthers command squad. I've got two more to go and I'm working on a drop pod I got from Super Neat Toy that has made me realize that I hate drop pods.     
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Jun 26, 2014 12:53
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Teach me your great white secrets oh master.
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Couple of quick questions as I'm looking to possibly start an almost entirely deep striking AM/MT army: 1) In an unbound army, is it possible to take heavy weapons teams without platoons? 2) How exactly does disembarking from a valkyrie work? Does it have to be hovering? The rules are a tad confusing.
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Killgore Trout posted:1) In an unbound army, is it possible to take heavy weapons teams without platoons? No-one knows. Personally I prefer the 80man masters of ordnances for 2000pts.
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Looking at things now, it's possible for shooting to cause pinning and Morale tests to boyz now, right? Even above ten model squads? So, you could potentially kill 8 orks in the shooting phase with a barrage or snipers, forcing a pinning test that does d6 s4 his, then a Morale test for another d6? Not game breaking, but that seems pretty poo poo for the ork player.
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Sulecrist posted:+++GOD-EMPEROR GRANT ME THE BOLTGUN TO KILL THE THINGS I CANNOT BURN, THE FLAMER TO BURN THE THINGS I CAN, AND THE AUSPEX TO KNOW THE DIFFERENCE+++ What up, fellow Sternguard Kill Team.     Last bolter marine currently being finished up, but after that long outage I figured I'd 
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Drake_263 posted:
What are these from?
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The Gate posted:Looking at things now, it's possible for shooting to cause pinning and Morale tests to boyz now, right? Even above ten model squads? I don't have the book, but I'm hoping the mob rule chart only comes in when the irks fail a morale test. The new relics look to be from the Gazghkull data slate that came with the war boss codex edition.
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SUPER NEAT TOY posted:What are these from? A new Ork codex just dropped, so I will give you three guesses.
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Indolent Bastard posted:A new Ork codex just dropped, so I will give you three guesses. Considering the last line of the image says "see page 97 of Codex: Orks" your first guess is wrong.
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PierreTheMime posted:Considering the last line of the image says "see page 97 of Codex: Orks" your first guess is wrong. Is it from the Bible, Alex? (Phone posting so reading fine details isn't easy.)
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Indolent Bastard posted:A new Ork codex just dropped, so I will give you three guesses. It's the ghazzkul/goff supplement that comes with the collectors edition
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TheChirurgeon posted:This is pretty rad. Good stuff! Cripes this banner is rad.
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I feel like the new Ork codex/rules is pushing away from "throw more boyz at it". How does mob rule work now? Do you take a test at LD 7 (or whatever) and if you fail role on the chart?
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This banner is seriously cool. So is everything else.
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Do you guys think that even with their price increase Battlewagons will still be worth taking as transports for MegaNobz/Nobz? They won't totally go the way of the dodo bird, right?
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TheChirurgeon posted:I too have been painting mans during the forum downtime. Made some more progress on my White Panthers command squad. I've got two more to go and I'm working on a drop pod I got from Super Neat Toy that has made me realize that I hate drop pods. enjoy the drop pod and baal predator, i gave them to you because they're hell on earth. suffer as i have
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Killgore Trout posted:Couple of quick questions as I'm looking to possibly start an almost entirely deep striking AM/MT army: 1) Yes and no. Unbound is "There is no force org", but the way Platoons work is that you HAVE to take the PCS and two guard squads in order to take anything else, as it's the cost of the entire platoon only counting as a single troop choice. With that being said, there are multiple FW Guard Armies that allow you to take Heavy Weapon Teams by themselves as a HS choice, and at least one of them (Armored Battlegroup IIRC) even allows them to take a Vox. So, that's always an option there, since Guard has THE most potential for Unbound cheese picking and choosing from the dozen different valid FW lists. 2) If a Valkyrie comes in on the table, you have two options to deploy the guys inside. The first is to deploy normally, which as you suggested requires the Valkyrie to be in hover-mode. The second, and far more exciting way is to use Grav-Chute Insertion, which is effectively the squad being punted out the back with exceptionally unreliable parachutes. How it works is that you nominate a point on the board that the Valkyrie passed over that movement phase, and then deep strike the squad onto that point. If they scatter at all, everyone has to make a dangerous terrain test, and if any model can't be deployed they're all destroyed. It can be pretty risky, but well worth it for putting Meltaguns exactly where they need to be in a pinch. Edit-if you're deep striking Valkyries, which older Guard lists, Elysians (Who are THE go-to army for deep strike shenanigans, since every single unit in the army list has Deep Strike) and MT (Since Scions have Deep Strike and can confer it onto DT Valkyries, IIRC) can do, it's pretty simple*-if a Flyer Deep Strikes, you choose if it's in Flyer Mode or in Hover mode when it comes in (If it has the option), and if it's Flyer Mode then it counts as having moved Combat Speed. Thus, the only way to deploy troops is through hover-mode, as you can't deploy anyone through GCI as you haven't actually moved anywhere on the board. *This is how it worked in 6th, not sure if it was changed for 7th. Acebuckeye13 fucked around with this message at 14:32 on Jun 26, 2014 |
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PierreTheMime posted:What up, fellow Sternguard Kill Team. Nice! Those guys look great. I like that even though the mechanics of our teams are literally identical (I'm Salamanders too) and made from the same kits (albeit with a few conversions here and there), our stuff looks completely different. And what with varying ammo types and Specialists, our actual games will play pretty differently too. Everyone should own a Sternguard Kill Team.
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Cataphract posted:It's the ghazzkul/goff supplement that comes with the collectors edition So I wasn't too far off...
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In case anyone was interested, i think Eternal Crusade is now in beta and they dropped a quick vid. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqwQD_FwZgM
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I somehow completely missed the fact that another 40K game was in the pipe. Looks promising, though with Space Marine to compare to it's going to have to be pretty good to match the last multiplayer experience (while it lasted  ).
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I didn't see anyone comment on it already, but the Thanatar is up for preorder. Whoof, that thing's huge.
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