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quote:Shouldn't they be paying out all of that? Apparently it depends on the state. I made the same mistake earlier in the thread when I called out agreed-upon vacation time being a contractual obligation. Nope, not federally!  They only have to honor it if the state laws say they do.
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Sundae posted:Apparently it depends on the state. I made the same mistake earlier in the thread when I called out agreed-upon vacation time being a contractual obligation. Nope, not federally! In most states if the employer says in the contract "I will pay unused PTO at termination" they must but otherwise, nope! CA and IL you have to pay it as wages, there are probably more, but mostly nope, you're hosed.
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Jun 21, 2014 19:45
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Sundae posted:Apparently it depends on the state. I made the same mistake earlier in the thread when I called out agreed-upon vacation time being a contractual obligation. Nope, not federally! If it's in an actual employment contract, then yes, the employer has to pay it out regardless of the governing state's law. But otherwise, yup, you're screwed if your state doesn't obligate vacation time payout at termination.
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Jun 21, 2014 20:19
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When I left I got my PTO paid out at like 30%  thanks guys.
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Jun 21, 2014 20:43
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That's just ridiculous. There's no point to having vacation time if companies can prevent people from using it and don't pay out for it when they leave.
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Jun 21, 2014 20:47
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more friedman units posted:That's just ridiculous. There's no point to having vacation time if companies can prevent people from using it and don't pay out for it when they leave. Well they could always just not give you any vacation time, which is also perfectly legal.
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Jun 21, 2014 21:05
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Inept posted:Well they could always just not give you any vacation time, which is also perfectly legal. At least that's honest.
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Jun 21, 2014 21:14
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Inept posted:Well they could always just not give you any vacation time, which is also perfectly legal. Why do you hate freedom?
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Jun 21, 2014 23:56
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Many vacation time accruals are done over the year,meaning you don't fully earn your yearly time until that last pay period of the year. So technically if you take your vacation early in the year,and have nine banked up,then quit, you owe the company money.
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I've been in the corporate world a bit over a month now. I genuinely do like my direct coworkers a lot personally (we're mostly isolated from everyone else and pretty tight knit as a result), they're very good people. And that's not in contrast to anything; I haven't exactly dealt with a ton of people, but I haven't met anyone I actively dislike, and most casual acquaintances have been relatively nice, so that's good. Everything I've said about the gigantic wastes of time and productivity and bloat haven't changed. They're legion. You can't really even single out any one person, although some of the lifers have definitely checked out. It's more just the system is so productivity crushing. That's been a source of stress for me, although not really close to the extent that I've been used to in the past. There are a LOT of times that I simply can't do my job because of network problems and I'm far from alone in that, and everyone is pretty much resigned to it. At one of the biggest companies in the world that sees itself at the forefront of technology. Anything related to IT and/or HR and/or training is soul-numbingly terrible, and I'm sure there's some very good reason for that like everyone is overworked and such. Still, it's stressful in the sense because I (and everyone else) am having trouble meeting our deliverables, and I can't exactly do all the things that I was hired to do because of it. I guess? I'm fine because I've been contributing in other ways (although mostly not ones that are directly measured), and it really does bother me, and I am putting in extra hours to get things right, and my coworkers/superiors seem to like me. I absolutely do give a poo poo though, because in theory this role could accomplish a lot, my compensation/benefits are awesome, I really do enjoy being with my coworkers every day, and this could be a great opportunity both in the long run and terms of opportunities for skills development. I just need to start making it count in quantifiable ways. I'm not really freaking out for the afore mentioned reasons, having good savings, and being able to get my old job back in a second, but it'd be nice.
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Jun 22, 2014 03:59
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Kim Jong Il posted:Anything related to IT and/or HR and/or training is soul-numbingly terrible, and I'm sure there's some very good reason for that like everyone is overworked and such. Unless you work at a company where it's directly related to the company's product somehow (SaaS or an IT outsourcing business, for example), IT is generally seen as a cost center. So, they generally have to make do with whatever scraps get left for them in the budget and hope that they can one day staff up to bare-bones levels. Also, they're usually hamstrung by braindead policies from people who have no idea what the implications are (and are themselves exempt, of course). HR (and training) on the other hand tends to be terrible because at most companies its sole purpose is to shield the company from potential lawsuits in the making, not anything that would benefit an employee at all.
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Jun 22, 2014 05:17
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Kim Jong Il posted:Anything related to IT and/or HR and/or training is soul-numbingly terrible, and I'm sure there's some very good reason for that like everyone is overworked and such. For most companies, IT is regarded as a blackhole that sucks away money and does something with it, which at times leads to distrust about the department and what the hell those nerds are doing. If senior management only sees IT as a department that is constantly losing money instead of one that enables other departments to make the money, then things can get really grim fast. Usually you get a snowball effect as departments lose people, then training dries up, so the remaining people don't have the ability to fix issues as quickly, or at all. Users get mad, start asking for "things to be done", people are thrown in front of buses and suddenly they are paying consultants 6 figures to get poo poo back in line because your IT department is now 2 help desk people and a tech who couldn't leave because they need the insurance. HR has the ignoble goal of pretending to look out for the employees interests while actually looking out for the company's, and desperately hoping no one notices.
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Jun 22, 2014 06:21
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Defenestration posted:When I left I got my PTO paid out at like 30% When my father retired, he got paid out 50% for his unused sick time. Except his sick time never expired, he rarely used it, and he worked for the company well over 30 years. He had about six months of sick time saved up. Easy three month paycheck.
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Jun 22, 2014 12:25
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Another thing about HR is that (at smaller companies atleast) it's usually someone's friend or relative who was hired who then proceeded to hire another friend or relative.
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Jun 22, 2014 14:20
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Pleads posted:Shouldn't they be paying out all of that? I'm more and more tempted every day to just call in sick for the next two weeks. But I legitimately like the people I work with and I don't want to leave on a sour note.
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Jun 22, 2014 16:08
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Inconveniencing people due to the company's own lovely policies = sour note Throwing away money from time owed = totally OK Corporations are winning the war, y'all.
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Jun 22, 2014 17:56
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Pleads posted:Inconveniencing people due to the company's own lovely policies = sour note
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Jun 22, 2014 20:24
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They (rightfully) assume you are more concerned about treating others as human beings than they are. It's super lovely. 
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Jun 22, 2014 21:25
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Pleads posted:They (rightfully) assume you are more concerned about treating others as human beings than they are. It's super lovely. Ain't that the truth. I just found out that my boss's boss want to provide a group of us who went to training over the weekend a single day of comp time. Thankfully my boss isn't an rear end in a top hat and told us to take 3 off the books. I don't understand the mindset that somehow working people 12 straight days in exchange for 1 is a decent trade. What a fucker.
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Jun 22, 2014 22:25
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The salaried and hourly people in my office get offered 2 hour PTO coupons as part of random internal contests. My part of the office is all commisioned, so we don't get it anyways, but what would make someone think that was a reasonable thing to offer employees as an incentive?
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Jun 23, 2014 01:34
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crazypeltast52 posted:The salaried and hourly people in my office get offered 2 hour PTO coupons as part of random internal contests. My part of the office is all commisioned, so we don't get it anyways, but what would make someone think that was a reasonable thing to offer employees as an incentive? We had something similar, where if you were awarded 'Kudos' you'd get into a drawing for 4 hours PTO (usually about 3 winners each month). I was a contract employee, so despite getting Kudos, I was not eligible for the drawing.
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Am I the only manager that tells his colleagues to go home early when they're done early, doesn't give a poo poo about them taking hours here and there for appointments, and does 1 for 1 comp time off the books? It's how my manager has treated me for the past seven years, and it's a large part of why I still work where I work. On the other hand, there are times when I ask people to work late to hit a deliverable, and if you aren't performing, I reserve the right to yank any and all of these perks away, but I figure building a bit of goodwill has no opportunity cost and can only be a good thing.
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Tim Thomas posted:Am I the only manager that tells his colleagues to go home early when they're done early, doesn't give a poo poo about them taking hours here and there for appointments, and does 1 for 1 comp time off the books? It's how my manager has treated me for the past seven years, and it's a large part of why I still work where I work. This is basically how it runs in the department where I work, although other departments work differently. As long as we get our poo poo done, no one's keeping track of our every move. Unrelated edit: I just did a course for my grad work on gender and negotiation. The posters here have always had helpful career guidance tips for those in need. This focuses more on the gender stereotypes that affect women's success in negotiation (and willingness to negotiate) and I think I could get some good feedback from you all. I don't want to just post it because it has my name and email and stuff, but if anyone wants to see it, PM me. It's not a super long course, it would probably be 15 minutes? Also accepting feedback from those who have complained about lovely e-learning in the past on whether this makes you want to shoot yourself in the face. defectivemonkey fucked around with this message at 05:34 on Jun 23, 2014 |
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Tim Thomas posted:Am I the only manager that tells his colleagues to go home early when they're done early, doesn't give a poo poo about them taking hours here and there for appointments, and does 1 for 1 comp time off the books? It's how my manager has treated me for the past seven years, and it's a large part of why I still work where I work. Nope, I always did the same thing. As long as people are getting their poo poo done, I don't mind if somebody takes an hour here or there or whatever.
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Today I was going to quit my job. I went to have a meeting with my director and before I could get to the quitting part, she told me that the manager of QA was raving about my detail-oriented approach and tight focus on their project and she told me that some time in the vague future, I might be able to have a position in which I can spend some time helping them on a more regular basis. I asked how soon and she said she didn't know. Well, I don't know what I expected, I understand that she can't make things happen instantly. I have to admit that with an authority figure actually saying she was willing to create a new role for me I felt too overwhelmed to follow though with my original plan, so I just bullshitted some thanks and went back to my crushing unpleasant work. Of course, like all the other days of work, I did an 8-7 today. My boyfriend and parents were contacting me at dinner time eager to hear how it went when I quit my job (I told them I would hand in my 2 weeks notice today). Tomorrow. Tomorrow I'm going to quit my job.
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Jun 26, 2014 04:22
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No tangible offer? Stick to the plan and quit.
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Swink posted:No tangible offer? Stick to the plan and quit. I second this. Chances are your director has a good idea you're unhappy and threw you just enough of a carrot to stop you from jumping ship right away. If I was you, I'd be doing some serious job searching right about now, and leave as soon as possible. Polish up your resume, head on over to askamanager.org for some great job hunting tips and don't look back.
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Tim Thomas posted:Am I the only manager that tells his colleagues to go home early when they're done early, doesn't give a poo poo about them taking hours here and there for appointments, and does 1 for 1 comp time off the books? It's how my manager has treated me for the past seven years, and it's a large part of why I still work where I work. I'm all about this, I think it's a big part of why my department performs as well as it does. When it's grant season and we've got 4 grants due on the 15th, one huge grant due the 20th, and a super huge one due the 31st, everyone knows it's going to be busy and they'll probably be doing some OT, but if you don't balance that with the stuff you mentioned above, everyone will hate you and their job.
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modeski posted:I second this. Chances are your director has a good idea you're unhappy and threw you just enough of a carrot to stop you from jumping ship right away. If I was you, I'd be doing some serious job searching right about now, and leave as soon as possible. Polish up your resume, head on over to askamanager.org for some great job hunting tips and don't look back. This. My manager has been stringing along a promotion for over a year. Every month, something comes up where he can't get to it (read: put in the paperwork). It will never happen.
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High_Life posted:I feel right at home in this thread yet never posted. I probably have a few gems for you guys. What happened today.... Basically while you may think you are living the office space dream, someone in management is well aware they have been screwing you for pay and things and you have found out. You are to important to the company to fire so they are letting you do what you want.
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sbaldrick posted:Basically while you may think you are living the office space dream, someone in management is well aware they have been screwing you for pay and things and you have found out. You are to important to the company to fire so they are letting you do what you want. There's no such thing as irreplaceable. You'll get the boot the day the new guy starts.
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I know for a fact that I started off underpaid at my company. That's really the only thing that can explain multiple 15-20% raises over the past year to "catch me up" as well as RSUs and maximum bonuses. Either that or I'm performing way above my expectations. I've finally "caught up" to my coworkers in terms of pay (but not necessarily experience). We'll see where this takes me in the next 6-9 months. If not, I'll probably begin seriously searching for a company.
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gently caress annual reviews right in the loving rear end in a top hat. I go in for mine yesterday. Manager tells me right away I'm a good-solid performer (dead center on the 5x5 matrix). We start going through my objectives, and he notes where I put myself a 4 while he scored me a 3. Reason: just because I manage SIX products while everyone else manages one, and my collective revenue is over $15B, AND I grew the entire portfolio, AND took on more than was assigned, AND did things without prompting to increase share, because I'm a product manager, I cannot score higher than a 3, which is "meets expectations." Apparently if you're a product manager, anything you do that can be considered product management simply means doing your job. It is impossible to get above a 3. F that noise. Then we go to my key success factors. One of them I have a 4, he gives me a 3. Reason: He gave away another 4 to someone else and can't give me a 4 as well, because you can't have two people score a 4 in a management team. WHAT?!?!?! Another KSF, same thing. His reason: he screwed up his own objectives, which led to him assigning more work to me than others, which impacted his score. Because his score was low, mine had to be low as well. Not a SINGLE comment on my performance review had anything to do with my own performance. It was either related to number shenanigans, his errors on his own review, or BS. I cursed at him and walked out, refusing to sign it.
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Xibanya posted:Today I was going to quit my job. I went to have a meeting with my director and before I could get to the quitting part, she told me that the manager of QA was raving about my detail-oriented approach and tight focus on their project and she told me that some time in the vague future, I might be able to have a position in which I can spend some time helping them on a more regular basis. I asked how soon and she said she didn't know. Well, I don't know what I expected, I understand that she can't make things happen instantly. I have to admit that with an authority figure actually saying she was willing to create a new role for me I felt too overwhelmed to follow though with my original plan, so I just bullshitted some thanks and went back to my crushing unpleasant work. Ask politely if you can meet with the manager that gave you the positive reviews to try to talk about working with them more often, or if any positions are actually open. This gives you both the ammo to move forward and get a timeline, or if your own boss was bullshitting you about that, will allow you to quit or give notice without feeling guilty about it. Just be sure to have another job lined up before leaving, or at least have enough money set aside that you won't need to worry about time off between jobs.
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Omne posted:gently caress annual reviews right in the loving rear end in a top hat. So I take it this is your first annual review ever?  Seriously, though, all those dumb rules are just so your company can justify giving out as little money as possible in the form of raises or bonuses. It's a common practice at a lot of big companies, and it comes from a lot higher up than your boss, so cursing at him isn't going to change anything (other than making your career there much shorter or much more miserable if you manage to make him dislike you). Don't take it personally, just chalk it up to lovely management practices at the top and get on with your work (or your job hunting, if "bullshit performance reviews" is a big enough con to finally tip the balance in favor of "gently caress this job"...  )
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dennyk posted:
I was .04 points away from my target goal on my review (which is out of 5 points, includes ratings averaged from a few different people), so I lose out on 25% of my bonus...
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Xandu posted:I was .04 points away from my target goal on my review (which is out of 5 points, includes ratings averaged from a few different people), so I lose out on 25% of my bonus... drat, what a totally random and unpredictable and not at all manipulated score! Shucks, if only you'd put in those extra hours...
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This always seems a lot like candidates in districts gerrymandered by the other party thinking "darn, I was so close". It's already set up, you can just do your best and hope to not fall too hard.
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In my last company the budgets for the next year were finalized in Dec/Jan, but performance review season didn't end until April,where your performance determined your individual bonus/raise. Yep, totally not a pre determined schema at all.
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quote:Today I was going to quit my job. I went to have a meeting with my director and before I could get to the quitting part, she told me that the manager of QA was raving about my detail-oriented approach and tight focus on their project and she told me that some time in the vague future, I might be able to have a position in which I can spend some time helping them on a more regular basis. I asked how soon and she said she didn't know. Well, I don't know what I expected, I understand that she can't make things happen instantly. I have to admit that with an authority figure actually saying she was willing to create a new role for me I felt too overwhelmed to follow though with my original plan, so I just bullshitted some thanks and went back to my crushing unpleasant work. This is the story of my life at my job. Don't fall for it. It will never happen unless you make it happen. You will have to keep on her about it, and if it's possible, talk to the manager of QA and maybe even someone higher up if you can so that her promises are known to other people and she is held accountable. I'm currently making a transition from working in only one department to working part time in my original dept. and part time in another. My boss is the queen of vague, unfulfilled promises. She won't ever say no to anyone and she'll rarely give a clear yes either, so it's almost impossible to tell whether you are getting a yes or a no if you ask for something (I've learned it's almost always a no, expressed like a "probably" or "maybe"). In order to make my transition happen in the first place, I had to go to the other manager first so that my boss couldn't be like "Oh sure, I'll talk to her about that sometime" and then just blow it off. Then she said I couldn't transition until a new person had been hired. Then they fired someone else, so now I can't transition until two people are hired. The hiring was supposed to be done by now, then it was supposed to be done by beginning of July, now it's supposed to be done by mid-July. The only reason I even know this is because I have been emailing her about it every week to make sure it doesn't fall off her radar somehow. One thing you might want to do is tell her straight out that you are on the verge of quitting and say whatever you were originally going to say. But, also tell her that this new position sounds right up your alley and it would really revitalize your interest in the job. Ask for a meeting with her and the QA manager to set it up and tell her you are only interested in remaining at the job if you can do that. If you were prepared to quit anyway, there's nothing to lose. This is of course, if all of the above is actually true. If the only reason you didn't quit is because it didn't feel right after your director said that to you, and having the new position wouldn't really make it better then you should definitely quit tomorrow.
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