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Tin Miss posted:As much as I enjoyed the soap opera-esque plots of Oz, it could be just a little too much sometimes. Especially in the later seasons when they just started going balls to the wall crazy. The plotting in Oz went all over the loving walls in the later seasons and I'm glad Orange clearly isn't heading in that direction.
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Tin Miss posted:One of the things that confused me was Soso's shower scene. Her refusing to bathe is played off as a joke throughout the episode, but then when she gets in the shower the camera lingers on her crying and covering herself and sad music starts playing like we're supposed to feel bad for her. I kept expecting there to be some horrible revelation as to why she didn't want to shower, but nope, she's just a smelly entitled hippie. The way I saw it, Soso's refusal to shower was her last-ditch attempt to exert any kind of meaningful control over her life, no matter how pointless or even detrimental it might be. When she's finally thrown into the shower, that one last thing is taken away from her, and the full weight of how powerless she is comes crashing down on her, hence the breakdown. It's finally hitting home that she's in prison, not some kind of super-strict summer camp.
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Xoidanor posted:The plotting in Oz went all over the loving walls in the later seasons and I'm glad Orange clearly isn't heading in that direction. As soon as they start testing anti-aging drugs on the prisoners in Litchfield I'm out.
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smg77 posted:As soon as they start testing anti-aging drugs on the prisoners in Litchfield I'm out. Next season will be inspired by the events ot the game Outlast.
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Jun 18, 2014 19:30
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wow that was much better than season 1, like crazily better. The first season started out really strong but lost ground but this one was strong the whole way through. Hell, I liked Piper this season, not having the whole plot revolve around her was great, I hope she grows into more of a smaller character again next season. Also Caputo might be my favorite after all is said and done, he's just a lot of fun.
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I'm through 11 episodes and it's very, very good. While I loved the first season, season 2 is miles and miles above it in its narrative and directorial quality. The shift from focusing on Piper to the supporting cast is exactly what the series needed. Piper is a much better character when she's a cynical rear end in a top hat versus a her bright-eyed naivety too. I'm loving how Poussey, the Golden Girls, Rosa, and others have been delved into. There's some minor quibbles like how Black Cindy immediately turns from a comic relief character into an amoral sociopath overnight, but it was still believable in the show's framework with how Vee is a cartoon supervillain. It's just weird because Suzanne's decline felt more elegant. The only weak links are Larry's existence and (sadly) now Polly's too. Polly's interactions in the first season were often amusing and interesting... but now she's just as sad as Larry. It's like Larry brings everything he touches into a black hole of douchebaggery. I hope Larry is a background character in season 3 like he should've been this season. I really hope Bennett and Daya disappear into the ether too. Yeah, I get how they're supposed to show us how messed up prison power relationships are. No, having yet another tedious scene of how they try to manipulate each other is neither funny, engaging, nor exploratory in any way. Maybe the next two episodes will have Bennett getting in huge trouble over his idiocy, but I'm doubting that happens. Cough Drop The Beat fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Jun 19, 2014 |
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The best thing to come of the Bennett/Daya thing, so far, has been when he flipped out and actually showed some sort of emotion for once. He and Daya are just such boring loving characters compared to literally everyone else, and I feel that when a character is interesting for maybe 1% of their time on-screen, that they should maybe be re-tooled or something. The pregnancy thing is just too safe. Every other plot in the show is fairly fast-paced and carries some sort of risk, whereas this has been going on for ages with more or less nothing going wrong. I realize it's a pregnancy and speeding it along too much would be unrealistic, but I think a little bit of looseness in terms of exactly how much time has passed would be fine if it meant it'd move things along. Also, Daya/Bennett chat aside, that fade to "young Rosa" when she escapes during the finale was the dumbest poo poo ever. There are a million subtler/better ways they could conveyed the same exact thing. Schnedwob fucked around with this message at 17:06 on Jun 19, 2014 |
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Schnedwob posted:The best thing to come of the Bennett/Daya thing, so far, has been when he flipped out and actually showed some sort of emotion for once. He and Daya are just such boring loving characters compared to literally everyone else, and I feel that when a character is interesting for maybe 1% of their time on-screen, that they should maybe be re-tooled or something. That's my issue. The only difference between their relationship now is the problem is exacerbated from time passing and Daya becoming seemingly more irritable because of pregnancy hormones. Neither of which markedly explores them as characters in any meaningful way. The Latino cast members aren't going much of anywhere period this season, so maybe that was intentional. But then Daya/Bennett had significantly more screentime than the others, which is why it's ultra tedious. It's strange because it feels like the rest of the characterization has experienced a major adjustment in tone... except for them. As if the writers don't particularly care yet are obligated to focus on the couple, so they rehashed season 1. Cough Drop The Beat fucked around with this message at 17:14 on Jun 19, 2014 |
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I don't get people complaining about vee being cartoon evil. I feel like that was the point. Like I think the whole point is that is how she saw HERSELF, but at the end of the day she was basically angelica on the rugrats, a baby that is just slightly bigger than the other babies. All of her evil plans basically got her a small potato black market and a gang of the dumbest, youngest and most mentally ill people there. She fancied herself a master manipulator but she was really "a pedophile without the sex". I feel like her whole story are was her cackling as a self appointed queen of the prison while in reality being a tiny fish in a pond that just happened to be even tinier. Vee acted like a cartoon supervillian because her vision of herself was that.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:at the end of the day she was basically angelica on the rugrats, a baby that is just slightly bigger than the other babies. This makes it make a whole lot more sense.
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thehustler posted:
My favourite one of these was when Taystee gave Poussey a cigarette instead of kissing her; that was so well done.
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Jun 19, 2014 20:03
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I just want to watch the continued adventures of Maritza and Flaca, also gently caress Black Cindy and BigBoo
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ElGroucho posted:I just want to watch the continued adventures of Maritza and Flaca, also gently caress Black Cindy and BigBoo Want to emptyquote this forever
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Jun 19, 2014 22:43
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I want Pipers brother to become a guard and then we never leave the prison.
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Jun 20, 2014 22:55
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I got real excited when I heard Tom Waits.
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Jun 21, 2014 01:13
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I love Black Cindy. "What is this, the Minority Report?"
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Jun 21, 2014 04:33
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So happy that Pornstache is back. Dude was so hilariously awful in the first season, I'm hoping he gives me more of the same over-the-top sleaziness and awkward moments. As soon as Cavuto started talking about being shorthanded I was fistpumping in anticipation of the return, and Jenji did not disappoint.
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Shovelmint posted:So happy that Pornstache is back. Dude was so hilariously awful in the first season, I'm hoping he gives me more of the same over-the-top sleaziness and awkward moments. As soon as Cavuto started talking about being shorthanded I was fistpumping in anticipation of the return, and Jenji did not disappoint. SHOT
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Shovelmint posted:So happy that Pornstache is back. Dude was so hilariously awful in the first season, I'm hoping he gives me more of the same over-the-top sleaziness and awkward moments. As soon as Cavuto started talking about being shorthanded I was fistpumping in anticipation of the return, and Jenji did not disappoint. Unfortunately, the candle that burns twice as brightly lasts only half as long.
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Jun 21, 2014 17:33
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Just to add something during the lull, Kimiko Glenn (Brooke Soso) did an Ask Me Anything on reddit yesterday. She rambles as much in writing as her character does on scene. It's pretty adorable.
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AshB posted:On the other hand, now we get something conclusive to show how horrible and selfish a person Piper actually is, and it'll be even more apparent when she continues playing the victim card. It's pretty incredible how much she complains and acts like a victim compared to the other characters who are serving sentences at least four times longer than hers. Doesn't her parole officer have the right to turn up and search her place anyway? I don't actually know because I've never been to prison or court but my understanding from tv is that they can do so. In which case carrying a gun around is probably on her just as much. Its not like she got picked up trying to flee the country.
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Depending on the terms of her probation, yes, there is such a thing as searchable probation allowing parole officers to conduct a search without a warrant. Alex shouldn't have been carrying a gun as the law would have it. But morally, it's a less clear question because she was being actively pursued by murderers and police were doing pretty much nothing to protect her. Does that make Piper is less awful for reporting Alex with vindictive intent to get her thrown back in prison? No.
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I've actually never heard of a probation whose conditions don't include allowing officers of a law to search your person and/or property for any reason, or no reason at all.
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It doesn't make Piper less of a poo poo but it doesn't mean Alex knows it was her because as far as she's concerned the guy just showed up
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Goofballs posted:It doesn't make Piper less of a poo poo but it doesn't mean Alex knows it was her because as far as she's concerned the guy just showed up
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Jun 22, 2014 06:54
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I personally was under the impression that piper mostly did that to protect Alex. Obviously there were some selfish intentions because she wants Alex stuck back in prison with her after losing pretty much everyone, but I didn't see the move as vindictive or anything.
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Sober posted:As long as they don't spend like 3 scenes every episode going back and forth on it like Dya and Bennett this season. "but pornstache is innocent!"
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NESguerilla posted:I personally was under the impression that piper mostly did that to protect Alex. Obviously there were some selfish intentions because she wants Alex stuck back in prison with her after losing pretty much everyone, but I didn't see the move as vindictive or anything. I dunno, it's unclear what Piper's motives were. She never talked with Alex about her going back to jail for safety. Given that Piper's been lonely and pissed at Alex all season, I think her motivation was partially anger at Alex for getting out and partly selfishness in wanting Alex to be with her.
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But she could have probably pulled off the same scheme even if Alex wasn't actually skipping town and she didn't seem to have any interest in revenge. Seemed to me like the thing that triggered it was finding out that she was in danger.
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I'm not sure how to interpret it as anything but revenge. Alex worked Piper hard to secure the lie, which she did to the detriment of Piper's exterior relationships, only to renegev at the last minute for her own freedom.
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Propaganda Machine posted:I'm not sure how to interpret it as anything but revenge. Alex worked Piper hard to secure the lie, which she did to the detriment of Piper's exterior relationships, only to renegev at the last minute for her own freedom. Yeah, Piper was mad for a while, but I don't think she is anymore. She probably got Alex arrested mostly because she wants her back now that she's not getting Larry.
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NESguerilla posted:But she could have probably pulled off the same scheme even if Alex wasn't actually skipping town and she didn't seem to have any interest in revenge. Seemed to me like the thing that triggered it was finding out that she was in danger. I'm not sure what you mean. Alex wasn't skipping town. She violated her probation by carrying a firearm and pointing it at her probation officer, not for skipping town. In any case, I'm leaning more to the "Piper is being a selfish little poo poo" motive rather than the revenge motive. Mostly because she leaned on Alex once she finally realized things were over with Larry for good. The show literally told us at one point through Alex that Piper's just using people as comfort blankets to hold onto. Moreover, one of the themes in season two is, as Red said, you have to do whatever you can to survive in prison, even if it isn't the cleanest moral choice.
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AshB posted:I'm not sure what you mean. Alex wasn't skipping town. She violated her probation by carrying a firearm and pointing it at her probation officer, not for skipping town. I'm pretty sure she explicitly said she was going to skip town. She hadn't yet but that's probably mostly because Piper had her busted (for the firearm) before she could.
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NESguerilla posted:But she could have probably pulled off the same scheme even if Alex wasn't actually skipping town and she didn't seem to have any interest in revenge. Seemed to me like the thing that triggered it was finding out that she was in danger. Alex explicitly told Piper that she was in danger and so she was going to skip town and they could never see each other again. piper pleads that she can't leave (her), and then tries to get her busted. It seemed very straightforwardly selfish to me. Piper has never seen Alex as a weak character, either, so I don't think she would be doing this to protect her. I'm just curious if Alex is going to make it to Lichfield or if they are going to send her away to Max and Piper is going to realize that she hosed someone over for personal gain and yet gained nothing.
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I really hope we see the Warden next season. I know most of the point of his existence so far is to be this figure that clearly doesn't give a poo poo about the prison he's supposed to be running, but I think it's about time he shows up and we get to see just how reprehensible he is. It'd be great.
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Regy Rusty posted:I really hope we see the Warden next season. I know most of the point of his existence so far is to be this figure that clearly doesn't give a poo poo about the prison he's supposed to be running, but I think it's about time he shows up and we get to see just how reprehensible he is. I figure he's analogous to - and perhaps the same person as - Dr. Khan from Salute Your Shorts.
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Great characters, great season, can't wait for more. Now, question: I probably missed the explanation, but what was in that jar that Poussey kept hidden in the library and drank from a couple of times? I thought it was some kind of homemade alcoholic drink, but she just looked sick in the shower scene, not drunk... Also thought she wanted to slowly poison herself after losing her friends, but nope.
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Krad posted:Great characters, great season, can't wait for more. It was alchoholic. She was really drunk.
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Max posted:It was alchoholic. She was really drunk. Really? She just came off as angry in the following scene with Vee, and not even drunk-angry. That, plus the way it was shot whenever she went to grab the jar, making it look like she was doing a bad thing, convinced me that it'd be about something else.
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