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SSNeoman posted:Miyuki is awful and I wish she was removed from the story. If she had more depth she'd be a better character. Her and Tatsuya are so flat there's never any progression and the audience doesn't really know much about her. The author doesn't, or hasn't yet by what the anime's covered, given her any hobbies or personality traits outside of being obsessed with her brother. She's completely one dimensional. WickedHate fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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It's funny to think of Satou writing that whole "The Conquerer has come" segment and thinking about how totally awesome and badass it is. It's like if someone heard that whole "I am become death" quote about the atom bomb and assumed that it was meant to sound badass.
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Jun 18, 2014 21:15
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WickedHate posted:If she had more depth she'd be a better character. Her and Tatsuya are so flat there's never any progression and the audience doesn't really know much about her. The author doesn't, or hasn't yet by what the anime's covered, given her any hobbies or personality traits outside of being obsessed with her brother. She's completely one dimensional. Spoilers this doesn't change. Only Leo becomes better imo. E: True story I was gonna post a thing where Miyuki tries to kiss tatsuya while he's asleep except he wakes up but doesn't do anything about it because the author's basically writing him to be really loving oblivious. E2: Actually I will post it because it's really loving obnoxious. It's at the end of book 6. quote:Having returned to the living room, Tatsuya collapsed onto the couch. Truthfully, it was very rare for him to show fatigue such as this. In terms of pure stamina, simply keeping vigil all night for a week straight would normally not wear him out to this extent. However not only did he have to work on a thesis dealing with one of the "Three Great Puzzles for Gravity Magic", a Sustained Gravity Control-Type Magic Sequence Thermonuclear Fusion Reactor, he also had to use his unique ability in analyzing structures to investigate a relic which modern technology could not hope to replicate, on top of looking out for spies. He was mentally exhausted as well. Naturally, there's a picture. 
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Jun 18, 2014 21:37
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I can't imagine what the point of Miyuki's crush is if Tatsuya is just going to keep ignoring it and never address it.
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Jun 18, 2014 21:54
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WickedHate posted:I can't imagine what the point of Miyuki's crush is if Tatsuya is just going to keep ignoring it and never address it. I'm not some fancy book critic but I would imagine it's "to titillate creepy nerds"
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Jun 18, 2014 21:56
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Pandering.
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Jun 18, 2014 21:56
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Sure, I get why the incest element is there in the first place, but she might as well be in love with a stone wall. It's never going to go anywhere in either direction. They'll neither fall in love together or dispel Miyuki's crush and pair her up with someone else. All those books and there's been virtually no character progression. It's maddening.
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Jun 18, 2014 22:00
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I agree why can't the creepy incest subtext be more realistic \/\/no Namtab fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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Jun 18, 2014 22:01
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Is the "Tatsuya is actually gay" stuff also in the book? Still feel like laughing when I remember the end of that episode where he looks at Mikihiko and the romantic ending music starts up. edit: It's seriously uncanny. I think he's done special stuff or had special/positive thoughts about every other male non-enemy character in the show so far. Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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Jun 18, 2014 22:21
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Ytlaya posted:Is the "Tatsuya is actually gay" stuff also in the book? Still feel like laughing when I remember the end of that episode where he looks at Mikihiko and the romantic ending music starts up. It is just a side effect of having Tatsuya being a man's man that everyone looks up to and respects. He doesn't have to do jack poo poo for women to fall madly in love with him, but the guys aren't quite so easily won over. So he either fights or does favors for every male non-enemy character. It goes all the way back to the first episode, where he just had to show up to earn Mayumi's interest but made a big show of being the bigger man when that one guy picked a fight. I'm guessing that Leo got an idiotic sword because Satou realized that Tatsuya hadn't done anything to earn Leo's previously demonstrated lifelong loyalty. All of the homoeroticism certainly isn't intentional unless Satou is secretly a skilled writer who is only pretending to be a tedious nationalist hack. Though, I just checked and it seems that the giant naked man scene wasn't illustrated in the LN. So perhaps it is just the anime staff trying to make sense of this drivel?
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Jun 18, 2014 22:39
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Tatsuya's magic eyes can see just how buff a man really is (no homo)
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WickedHate posted:Sure, I get why the incest element is there in the first place, but she might as well be in love with a stone wall. It's never going to go anywhere in either direction. They'll neither fall in love together or dispel Miyuki's crush and pair her up with someone else. All those books and there's been virtually no character progression. It's maddening. Yes, this is what is maddening about The Irregular At Magic High School.
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So yeah things n book 7 are getting really dumb because it's just literally a full scale war. Students who have killed chinese soldiers so far: Miyuki, Erika (really bloodthirsty it seems, now has a sword bigger than her) Leo (Erika taught him how to kill) That one guy from the magic swordfighting club That one guy from third high Not tatsuya (yet) Mibu (the girl from the kendo club who got a boyfriend after she went back to the purity of swordfight practice for its own sake) is also there, but quote:"Mibu...... I think you should head to the rear." Anyway they talk and he allows her to go provided she doesn't use her sword to kill people. Luckily she's trained to use magic knives. As for Tatsuya, well... quote:Tatsuya deftly put on the special underclothes and immediately put on the black outfit — the Mobile suit.  Anyway Tatsuya's not been murdering chinese soldiers because his mission is to find and kill the big boss magicians, so far he's just flown around taking out spy drones and healing wounded soldiers though.
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Jun 21, 2014 01:04
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The treatment of Mibu and Kirihara is really misogynistic and creepy.
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WickedHate posted:The treatment of Mibu and Kirihara is really misogynistic and creepy. If there's one thing I want you to take from this thread, it's that it's not a coincidence that people thought this show was bad from the beginning and that people's claims about the show's nationalism ended up being correct; the writing was on the wall from very early on. So yeah, generally if virtually everyone but you is believing/saying one thing, it's at least worth considering that what they're saying may have some merit. Also, even though this show is pretty explicit with its right-wing misogynism and nationalism, it's possible for something to have these characteristics without being quite so direct with them.
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Ytlaya posted:If there's one thing I want you to take from this thread, it's that it's not a coincidence that people thought this show was bad from the beginning and that people's claims about the show's nationalism ended up being correct; the writing was on the wall from very early on. So yeah, generally if virtually everyone but you is believing/saying one thing, it's at least worth considering that what they're saying may have some merit. I thought that specific situation was weird way back when Kirihara first started talking about Mibu's sword.  This was the only place I'd seen it getting bashed all that much, also.
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Jun 21, 2014 03:46
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WickedHate posted:This was the only place I'd seen it getting bashed all that much, also. I don't know what hugboxes you frequent but it's been panned everywhere, not just here.
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Jun 21, 2014 03:56
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Creepy, misogynistic overtones aside, I do appreciate that they aren't pretending kendo is some advanced martial art. That poo poo comes up so often in anime.
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Jun 21, 2014 04:15
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But katanas are the best swords ever, right up there with lightsabers! Obviously a derivative of the fighting style must be superior of everything else. 
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jwang posted:But katanas are the best swords ever, right up there with lightsabers! Obviously a derivative of the fighting style must be superior of everything else. They have actual swordfighting, though. Heck, they have actual swordfighters! Kendo is a sport. You get good at swinging sticks, which is obviously dangerous, but you could say the same about baseball. Pretending that it is at all a martial art is one of my pet peeves.
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Serious Frolicking posted:They have actual swordfighting, though. Heck, they have actual swordfighters! Kendo is a sport. You get good at swinging sticks, which is obviously dangerous, but you could say the same about baseball. Pretending that it is at all a martial art is one of my pet peeves. Well, many martial arts aren't that useful in practice (like taekwondo or something).
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Ytlaya posted:Well, many martial arts aren't that useful in practice (like taekwondo or something). But it isn't even a martial art at all, is my problem. It has the vague appearance of swordfighting without ever having been something you learn in order to fight. I mean, they have to declare where they are aiming at before they hit for a point to be valid. Even crappy martial arts were still in theory developed as ways to fight. On a related subject, for a right-wing japanese wank-fest there isn't really much about the whole 'soul of a samurai' in this setting which is very unusual. Kendo is one of those aspects that jackasses tend to fixate on as proof that japan is still related to some fictionalized vision of samurai. Aside from the competitive aspects common to all sports, that's pretty much all kendo was ever good for. Again, it just bugs me.
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loving fencing is more related to real swordfighting than kendo.
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On watching the latest episode, I have to admit that I was mistaken about something. Satou is gay after all. Gay for transparent cubes.
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I don't think the author believes in the "samurai spirit" stuff. I guess he's some sort of new age Japanese nationalist or something? There's some chapter where an American agent gets surprised that a Japanese person is shooting at them because there's a ton of them still obsessed with swords and then there's this gem:quote:However, Tatsuya did not know the reason why Naotsugu was lending Tatsuya his assistance in this fight. Our "hero" ladies and gentlemen.
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That's a whole lotta words for "Tatsuya your universe-destabilizing powers are needed elsewhere!" "'kay"
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Tatsuya just can't stop himself from shoving his stupid wooden face into everything. Oh no, someone was moderately injured while there were medics standing by! Tatsuya therefore had no choice but to run down and tell the trained medical professionals how to do their jobs and then carry the girl with broken ribs to the hospital. Yes, the hospital, which was somehow in the same building as the sports arena which is on a military base. I guess stretchers haven't been invented yet in Satou's fascist magic wonderland. Or maybe the stretchers are transparent cubes and no one uses them because they can't figure out how that is supposed to work.
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Serious Frolicking posted:Tatsuya just can't stop himself from shoving his stupid wooden face into everything. Oh no, someone was moderately injured while there were medics standing by! Tatsuya therefore had no choice but to run down and tell the trained medical professionals how to do their jobs and then carry the girl with broken ribs to the hospital. Yes, the hospital, which was somehow in the same building as the sports arena which is on a military base. I guess stretchers haven't been invented yet in Satou's fascist magic wonderland. Or maybe the stretchers are transparent cubes and no one uses them because they can't figure out how that is supposed to work. quote:Tatsuya had received military and guardian training since youth, which more than qualified him for minor surgical operations.
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"He arrived practically at the same time as the emergency response teams and helped bring you to shore. He also spotted your fractures in one glance and gave the orders for treatment." "Then he was punched repeatedly in the face by one of the paramedics, who kept shouting 'Oh? Yeah? And what's the treatment regimen for this, smart-arse!'" I wish...
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Jun 22, 2014 22:55
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I just like the image of her arm comically broken, like at a 90 degree andle or whatever and Tatsuya just swoops in and is like "this arm....is broken". Then everyone cheers but Tatsuya is humble about it.
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Jun 22, 2014 23:18
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I read through Apocalypse Zero/Kakugo no Susume while the forums were down out of boredom, and it did a powerful protagonist who didn't show much emotion a lot better. Kakugo needed help from time to time and actually did things to make people like them.
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Jun 26, 2014 02:05
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I read book 7 which ended with the evil chinese/koreans getting nuked. Then I read book 8, a flashback to 12 year old Tatsuya (and how he came to nuke the chinese) 12 year old miyuki was a tsundere fyi. Also started book 9, in a scientific attempt to mirror tatsuya's nuke powers, the americans have unleashed ???
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Namtab posted:I read book 7 which ended with the evil chinese/koreans getting nuked. What the ever loving gently caress. What kind of  is Satou and what world doe he live in that he thinks that any of that is okay in any context whatsoever?! 
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Jun 26, 2014 18:50
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It's ok because the base he nuked on the korean peninsula was the world's first military base to have absolutely no non-combatant personnel and it was also nowhere near any civilian population.
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Also, I'm sure that S. Korea ditched their mandatory military service policy for reasons. Never think of those bloodthirsty foreigners as people.
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I would try to ask which part of Korea he nuked, but then I realize that this author just doesn't give a gently caress and would nuke South Korea just as readily as North.
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jwang posted:I would try to ask which part of Korea he nuked, but then I realize that this author just doesn't give a gently caress and would nuke South Korea just as readily as North. Would it really even matter? Ytlaya fucked around with this message at 04:29 on Jun 27, 2014 |
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Oh, turns out it was china after all. Zhènhai gets nuked. Geogedo base is swamped by a tsunami. If it hadn't been, Japan would have been taken out by said tsunami.
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Ytlaya posted:What it really even matter? Technically speaking, since Japan is allies with the US, just like South Korea, they shouldn't be making aggressive moves towards South Korea. However, in Satou-land, it doesn't matter because GLORIOUS NIPPON is superior to everyone and can nuke poo poo with impunity.
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Killing hordes of Koreans isn't really excused just because there isn't any civilians there. Even if it's justifiable in universe the author is the one creating the situation where helpless foreigners are slaughtered time and time again, military or not.
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