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Comte de Saint-Germain
Mar 26, 2001

Snouk but and snouk ben,
I find the smell of an earthly man,
Be he living, or be he dead,
His heart this night shall kitchen my bread.
Just explain that it's european.

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CottonWolf
Jul 20, 2012

Good ideas generator

Is W3 going to have a choose your previous choices feature at the start ŕ la the new Dragon Age? I'll be moving from PC to PS4, because there's no way my little laptop will be able to run it, but it does seem like a shame to lose the choices from my 1-2 save.


This guy gets it. Geralt is basically the albino magic Mr. T crossed with James Bond. He gets poo poo done.

Stumiester
Dec 3, 2004

"Music expresses that which cannot be said and on which it is impossible to be silent."
As funny as the new OP is, what were the "do these things in Act 1" tips again?

Gwyrgyn Blood
Dec 17, 2002

Roshnak posted:

Are there any instances in the game where you're required to have sex with someone?

Only part in the Witcher 1 where you have to have sex is with Triss at the start of Chapter 3, but I don't believe that gives you a card.

Same story with Witcher 2 basically, except it's waking up with her in the intro.

VDay
Jul 2, 2003

I'm Pacman Jones!

Lycus posted:

I think I read one of Witcher devs say how they regret the cards.

One of the deluxe edition or pre-order bonuses or something for Witcher 2 was the 'Triss Playboy Shoot' which was just some pictures of Triss naked, so they didn't regret them that much apparently.

Brumaldo
Jun 29, 2013

Stumiester posted:

As funny as the new OP is, what were the "do these things in Act 1" tips again?

Dunno, but I have a tip.
If you don't want to spend a fortune in books, just carry some random food on you and speak to the old women milling about the village. You can give them something to eat and ask for a story, to learn about monsters, or for a description of the local herbs. They might repeat themselves sometimes, but it's still better than being fleeced by merchants.

Cuntpunch
Oct 3, 2003

A monkey in a long line of kings

Minorkos posted:

I might be missing something, but I can't figure out why I see people praise this game for its writing. The whole setting seems to be just "imagine a fantasy world, but lovely and with made-up swears". It kind of seems like they went out of their way to make every character act like an awful jerk for no real reason. Like every peasant seems to love talk poo poo constantly for some reason. I guess it's like a cool commentary on how ~people are bad~ but I just find it kind of grating.

Even the protagonists put out some cringeworthy dialogue, like when Triss asked to be on a mission and that guy said "That time of the month?" And then later he was carrying Triss away and he said "At least I'll die holding a lovely arse!" Sounds like something I'd expect to read in Ctrl+Alt+Del or something.

Also, I wasn't able to figure out if Geralt has any personality at all. He seems to be quite liberal, but they also made him seem like an edgy badass kinda guy. But he doesn't really come off as someone with a distinct personality. He just kind of complains about everything and then does the thing he's supposed to do. I haven't read the books or played the previous game in the series. He seems very much like a Mary Sue to me.

To directly address your question, sans hyperbole:

The world of the Witcher can come across a bit jarring or out-of-place to western audiences for a couple of reasons: First, it's post-soviet european fantasy; It can't be overstated that there are some pretty huge culture gaps not just between north america and europe - openness about sexual matters like joking about a butt, for example - but also between the West and the East. I don't think the Polish mindset specifically really latches on well to the western mentality of great battles between good and evil. I think it gravitates towards what you have in The Witcher - a morally ambiguous world and that means a world populated by morally ambiguous people, including our protagonist.

The Witcher is at its core a meditation on conflict. There are multiple threads to the story(both the saga and the games) that draw him in various directions. The first of which is that he is a member of a profession that is dying out - monsters are fewer and fewer and for the most part the world is just *moving on* and there's the question posed here of what a purpose-built killing machine is supposed to do when his skills are not strictly needed any further. The second is the larger and more prominent theme of the interregional conflicts, the prejudices and racism: You have the humans who are the majority and in power pretty much everywhere. But their kingdoms war and scheme with each other. Besides this you do have Elves and Dwarves amongst the populations, but they're treated as second-class citizens by the humans in charge. As such, they have their breakaway faction - the Scoia'tel - who are effectively insurgents, to use our 21st century term. Not all metahumans are out to topple the power structure, but the fact that some are leads most people to grow more and more furious with all of them as a whole. Caught in the middle of all this, repeatedly, is Geralt. Tradition says that he and his kind stay the hell out of conflicts and just worry about monster-hunting, but as that gets scarce and both sides, despite their distrust of him, repeatedly clamor for his aid. How do you stay neutral in a world that's falling apart, if you don't stand to win by fighting for either side, but by not getting involved things are only going to get worse and worse?

Here's the kicker, there's no answer. Or no right answer, at least. Staying neutral because it isn't your fight is perfectly acceptable as a choice, but it has its consequences. Choosing to fight for either side also makes total sense, but with the understanding that as soon as you serve your purpose you'll be discarded. Geralt is a bit of an rear end in a top hat because he's caught in a lovely situation and this doesn't even touch on saga-related stuff.

The Witcher games are games of hard choices and I don't mean Bioware-style choices that we've all become accustomed to - the choice between kicking the puppy or returning it to its child. I mean choices that have no immediate morality attached, choices whose outcomes are uncertain and whose consequences can't be known. These games provide some of the most real choices in the medium - not just because they branch the story, but because much like real everyday choices, they are hard and ambiguous. This is why people rave about the Witcher games and their writing. Because they drive the player to feel important; like their decisions actually matter to the story and the world around it.

Flipswitch
Mar 30, 2010


I've been reading steadily through the Witcher books and it's a crime that Zoltan's Parrot with tourettes has yet to be in the games.


Fuckkkkiiiiinnnnnn' hell!

Cuntpunch
Oct 3, 2003

A monkey in a long line of kings

Flipswitch posted:

I've been reading steadily through the Witcher books and it's a crime that Zoltan's Parrot with tourettes has yet to be in the games.


Fuckkkkiiiiinnnnnn' hell!


It's a crime that Bonhart isn't in the games. Bonhart was hardcore.

Stumiester
Dec 3, 2004

"Music expresses that which cannot be said and on which it is impossible to be silent."

Brumaldo posted:

Dunno, but I have a tip.
If you don't want to spend a fortune in books, just carry some random food on you and speak to the old women milling about the village. You can give them something to eat and ask for a story, to learn about monsters, or for a description of the local herbs. They might repeat themselves sometimes, but it's still better than being fleeced by merchants.

Thanks! Sorry, my initial post was a bit much. All I meant was that I have just started the game for the first time and there used to be all sorts of "see this person in act 1, don't complete this quest till the end of act 1" etc thats not there anymore, and I was wondering if anyone had a copy of the original OP?

Roshnak
Jul 22, 2007

Stumiester posted:

Thanks! Sorry, my initial post was a bit much. All I meant was that I have just started the game for the first time and there used to be all sorts of "see this person in act 1, don't complete this quest till the end of act 1" etc thats not there anymore, and I was wondering if anyone had a copy of the original OP?

I don't think there's really that much to worry about. Delay meeting Loredo at his home for as long as possible and make sure you pick up the Mystic River quest from the beached boat at the Kayran lair. It spans all three acts and the reward is some decent late game armor in Act 3.

If you don't want to replay the prologue and Act 1 then save your game before you make what is pretty obviously the last decision in the first act, since the game branches significantly into two completely different second acts at that point.

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

Half the posters in this forum have been made up. This website is a goddamn ghost town.

Roshnak posted:

Delay meeting Loredo at his home for as long as possible
Why do you recommend that? I would recommend the opposite because you get a load of XP from that meeting and there's some stuff in the back that's good early in the act, but obsolete later.

Roshnak
Jul 22, 2007

Lycus posted:

Why do you recommend that? I would recommend the opposite because you get a load of XP from that meeting and there's some stuff in the back that's good early in the act, but obsolete later.

I thought you had to drop off the letter for Mystic River in his compound, but a quick check of the wiki seems to indicate that's not necessary. I guess go ahead and meet him, then.

Helith
Nov 5, 2009

Basket of Adorables


You don't need to delay meeting Loredo, but if you want to be nosy and get in his drop box for a non vital but illuminating piece of info while you're there the first time, then you need to have picked up the key for it from another location first. Also it depends on the choice you make towards the end of Chapter 1 as one path will give you access to Loredo's house again while the other one won't.

Dandywalken
Feb 11, 2014
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Charlie Mopps posted:

Because it was really hilarious in all its awfulness and i still find it a shame that they didnt include them in the Witcher 2. That one from the so-called witch was the best, with the skulls and blood and such. :lol:

Lmao wasnt there one with a lizard-like woman on a chain too? Shits amazing, but terrible.

Leb
Jan 15, 2004


Change came to America on November the 4th, 2008, in the form of an unassuming Senator from the state of Illinois.

Dandywalken posted:

Lmao wasnt there one with a lizard-like woman on a chain too? Shits amazing, but terrible.

Yeah, the cards for Abigail and the Queen of the Night were especially bad because in addition to being bad, they were also totally inconsistent with the characters they were supposed to represent.

Lycus
Aug 5, 2008

Half the posters in this forum have been made up. This website is a goddamn ghost town.

Helith posted:

You don't need to delay meeting Loredo, but if you want to be nosy and get in his drop box for a non vital but illuminating piece of info while you're there the first time, then you need to have picked up the key for it from another location first. Also it depends on the choice you make towards the end of Chapter 1 as one path will give you access to Loredo's house again while the other one won't.

Though honestly, the letter's not terribly relevant to you unless you're doing Roche's Path anyway. In any event, getting the XP and equipment early is what will do you the most good.

Lycus fucked around with this message at 02:22 on Jun 23, 2014

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









Leb posted:

Yeah, the cards for Abigail and the Queen of the Night were especially bad because in addition to being bad, they were also totally inconsistent with the characters they were supposed to represent.

I liked the Abigail card! It took you from 'yes, sex up the pretty witch lady who's certainly innocent of those terrible things she's accused of' to 'ah. hmm.'

What's the official argument against the cards? I mean I'd way rather have a card that is vaguely soft-porny while revealing character (while still at least being reminiscent of someone having had sex) than the weird clothed grappling in the Mass Effects. And, yeah, it hooks into Pokémon style collect-em-all instincts, but you're playing a game after all. And you don't need to have sex with any character if you don't want to.

Dandywalken
Feb 11, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 2 hours!

sebmojo posted:

What's the official argument against the cards?

They're too magnificent to be allowed to live outside of my Steam screenshots gallery.

cmykJester
Feb 16, 2011

by Nyc_Tattoo
There are not any Steam trading card versions of them :(

Roshnak
Jul 22, 2007

sebmojo posted:

I liked the Abigail card! It took you from 'yes, sex up the pretty witch lady who's certainly innocent of those terrible things she's accused of' to 'ah. hmm.'

What's the official argument against the cards? I mean I'd way rather have a card that is vaguely soft-porny while revealing character (while still at least being reminiscent of someone having had sex) than the weird clothed grappling in the Mass Effects. And, yeah, it hooks into Pokémon style collect-em-all instincts, but you're playing a game after all. And you don't need to have sex with any character if you don't want to.

The argument against the cards is it's pretty easy to interperet them as a minigame where you try to manipulate as many women into having sex with you as possible -- which is almost every woman or class of woman you run across -- so you can collect trophies of your conquests.

I don't think it's the worst thing a game has done or anything, mind you. I know this kind of thing has started large arguments in the past. I do think it's important to be able to look at that situation and say, "Yeah, that's not the best," though.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









Roshnak posted:

The argument against the cards is it's pretty easy to interperet them as a minigame where you try to manipulate as many women into having sex with you as possible -- which is almost every woman or class of woman you run across -- so you can collect trophies of your conquests.

I don't think it's the worst thing a game has done or anything, mind you. I know this kind of thing has started large arguments in the past. I do think it's important to be able to look at that situation and say, "Yeah, that's not the best," though.

How about that Witcher 3, eh.

Mustang
Jun 18, 2006

“We don’t really know where this goes — and I’m not sure we really care.”
The first time I played Witcher 2 I stopped after chapter 1 because the combat frustrated me and I died all the time, like getting sort of stun locked and dying without being able to do anything about it.

So glad I started playing it again from that save because Chapter 2 was so much better and for whatever reason it wasn't nearly as hard as the first chapter. I'm in Chapter 3 now and I'm loving the game even more, Geralt is definitely one of my all time favorite video game characters. It seems the higher in level I get the easier the game becomes because even on normal I'm one shotting humans with my sword. Monsters still take multiple hits though.

Khazar-khum
Oct 22, 2008

:minnie: Cat Army :minnie:
2nd Battalion

Brumaldo posted:

Dunno, but I have a tip.
If you don't want to spend a fortune in books, just carry some random food on you and speak to the old women milling about the village. You can give them something to eat and ask for a story, to learn about monsters, or for a description of the local herbs. They might repeat themselves sometimes, but it's still better than being fleeced by merchants.

Ah, the university bookstore guys. Christ, those booksellers made me feel like I was back in college. "Yes, this book you need is only 400 gold! Oh, want to sell that book back? Here's 5 gold."

beer_war
Mar 10, 2005

Man, I really hope that W3 either scraps the "completing one quest will fail another" mechanic altogether or at least warns you when you are about to fail a quest (barring obvious cases like Crossroads or completing a chapter).

I'm about to finish the The Walls Have Ears / Suspect:Thorak quests by opening Thorak's lockbox. Except opening the lockbox will only complete Suspect:Thorak, but fail The Walls Have Ears.

Roshnak
Jul 22, 2007
I kind of think that whole quest line is oddly structured and unintuitive.

Galewolf
Jan 9, 2007

The human gallbladder is indeed a puzzle!
While I do appreciate the new OP, does anyone have the previous one somewhere so people like me 2 years behind playing this game can get some insight on mods and stuff? :shobon:

Comte de Saint-Germain
Mar 26, 2001

Snouk but and snouk ben,
I find the smell of an earthly man,
Be he living, or be he dead,
His heart this night shall kitchen my bread.
Someone make a new witcher series megathread + hype train for W3 thread. I'm contractually unable to do it myself (and I'm lazy).

beer_war
Mar 10, 2005

Galewolf posted:

While I do appreciate the new OP, does anyone have the previous one somewhere so people like me 2 years behind playing this game can get some insight on mods and stuff? :shobon:

I wouldn't worry about mods for your first playthrough, there aren't any "essential" mods for W2. If you do want to check out the existing mods, look over here: http://www.nexusmods.com/witcher2/

AAAAA! Real Muenster
Jul 12, 2008

My QB is also named Bort

beer_war posted:

I wouldn't worry about mods for your first playthrough, there aren't any "essential" mods for W2. If you do want to check out the existing mods, look over here: http://www.nexusmods.com/witcher2/

I would suggest a carry weight mod simply so he wouldnt have to deal with inventory management. Because inventory management can be a pain when it is your first time through and you have no idea what you will want/need down the road. Other than that I dont think it needs any mods.

Galewolf
Jan 9, 2007

The human gallbladder is indeed a puzzle!
Thanks for the replies, i'll keep on playing like this then. In fact, I'm a relic of SSI Gold Box games so I actually enjoy the vanilla carry limits and whatnot. (:byodood: MY IMMERSION! :byodood:).

Cuntpunch
Oct 3, 2003

A monkey in a long line of kings

Bort Bortles posted:

I would suggest a carry weight mod simply so he wouldnt have to deal with inventory management. Because inventory management can be a pain when it is your first time through and you have no idea what you will want/need down the road. Other than that I dont think it needs any mods.

Isn't Full Combat Rebalance considered highly desirable not only because it improves some of the rough edges of vanilla's combat, but also because it was made *by* one of the CDPR devs so it's quality work?

Namnesor
Jun 29, 2005

Dante's allowance - $100
I restored the old OP, and I'm working on a new Witcher megathread.

And no, FCR2 is poo poo.

AAAAA! Real Muenster
Jul 12, 2008

My QB is also named Bort

Coughing Hobo posted:

And no, FCR2 is poo poo.

Confirming this. It is Real Bad.

Comte de Saint-Germain
Mar 26, 2001

Snouk but and snouk ben,
I find the smell of an earthly man,
Be he living, or be he dead,
His heart this night shall kitchen my bread.

Bort Bortles posted:

Confirming this. It is Real Bad.

I don't think it's total trash, it's got some good stuff, but it's definitely a mod and feels like a mod.

Dandywalken
Feb 11, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 2 hours!
Should I be using Steam Cloud or not? I'm getting alot of annoying issues/crashes that probably arent directly related, but still loving annoying to have to restart Steam, close the cloud thing, then restart it to play again.

Roshnak
Jul 22, 2007
Are you planning on playing from another computer?

cmykJester
Feb 16, 2011

by Nyc_Tattoo
Yeah for some reason the steam version of the Witcher 2 starts to poo poo itself after you get too many saves.

I'm playing the gog version for the first time now. Hoping it would handle saves better.

Smith Comma John
Nov 21, 2007

Human being for president.
Posting this in case anyone has seen this problem before and can offer insight:

I just booted up W2 after not playing it since EE came out. After starting a new game I had an issue where using the inventory or talent tree menus (NOT the quest menu for some reason) would cause a freeze on a black background, with music and sound effects still going and the cursor moveable. I couldn't find a fix online so I completely reinstalled, deleting the save/config folders and everything. I even rolled back to an older stable graphics driver. Started a new game, and it still happens.

Windows 7 64-bit, i5-2500k, Nvidia GTX 470 (replaced my graphics card last month, now it's a GTX 750ti). Anyone have any ideas?

Smith Comma John fucked around with this message at 14:54 on Jun 27, 2014

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quantumfoam
Dec 25, 2003

are you: running any mods, using a xbox360 controller, checking if your anti-virus software quarrantined witcher 2 files?

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