Attorney at Funk posted:You know what this doesn't sound like? A fetchland reprint. The first fetchlands were in
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Jun 27, 2014 02:08
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GoutPatrol posted:Flagstones actually really rules in WW, because with the new Legendary rule, you get to keep the new one when you play it and then search for another plains. It is one of white's very few ways to ramp effectively. I'm surprised that more Hatebear/WW decks in Modern aren't playing them because there is really no downside now. It doesn't "ramp", just thins your deck. You don't search for two plains, since the new land didn't get put into your graveyard at all.
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Jun 27, 2014 02:09
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Welp. So much for a cycle of Urborg-likes. At least Urborg itself will drop in price a bit. 
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Jun 27, 2014 02:10
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I wonder what would make them decide to skew mana fixing toward the enemy colors in Standard, but not in Khans block itself.
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Jun 27, 2014 02:10
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Wait wait, this isn't a reprint is it? Does that mean what I think it does?
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Jun 27, 2014 02:11
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Jabor posted:It doesn't "ramp", just thins your deck. You don't search for two plains, since the new land didn't get put into your graveyard at all. I think the idea is more tap flagstones, play a 2nd one, send tapped one to the grave and get plains. Doesn't work like that because the plains ETBs tapped. 
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Jun 27, 2014 02:11
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I was going to say half of Momentous fall isn't bad for half the cost, but then I read it was a sorcery.
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Jun 27, 2014 02:11
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Rinkles posted:Wait wait, this isn't a reprint is it? You haven't gotten there yet, but Slivers were in M14.
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Jun 27, 2014 02:11
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Is it just the enemy painlands coming back, or is there room for the allied painlands as well for the full set of ten? I've never been good at this divination with card #s in sets.
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Jun 27, 2014 02:13
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GonSmithe posted:but Slivers were in M14. In name (and function) only !
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Jun 27, 2014 02:14
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Rinkles posted:Wait wait, this isn't a reprint is it? Sliver Hive is not a Reprint it's an all new card. Slivers themselves were in M14 (minorly and Redesigned) and are going to be in M15 (again minorly and some redesigned).
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Jun 27, 2014 02:15
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Attorney at Funk posted:I wonder what would make them decide to skew mana fixing toward the enemy colors in Standard, but not in Khans block itself. They skew it because the slow release of the 3 sets means certain color pairs usually end up having more color fixing in standard than others for significant portions of time. The first set in Khans will very likely feature 5 allied lands, with the remaining five to come over the next two sets.
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Jun 27, 2014 02:16
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If this was an Instant green would be unstoppable.
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Jun 27, 2014 02:16
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BrokenKnees posted:IMO Kamigawa also took a hit from being in between Mirrodin and Ravnica blocks. I can't get my hopes up too much for a Return to Kamigawa, but Bushido, Splice/Arcane, Ninjitsu, could come back in the right set or supplemental product. I would not at all be surprised to see Splice into Instant and reskinned Bushido printed in regular expansions.
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Jun 27, 2014 02:16
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I'm talking about the return of the old, oddly cute abomination look, guys.
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Jun 27, 2014 02:17
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GoutPatrol posted:Flagstones actually really rules in WW, because with the new Legendary rule, you get to keep the new one when you play it and then search for another plains. It is one of white's very few ways to ramp effectively. I'm surprised that more Hatebear/WW decks in Modern aren't playing them because there is really no downside now. Uh what? So you have a Flagstones out, tap it for mana, then play another Flagstones and sacrifice the first one to the legend rule, which replaces the first Flagstones with a tapped Plains, netting you zero mana. How exactly is it ramping?
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Jun 27, 2014 02:17
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Rinkles posted:I'm talking about the return of the old, oddly cute abomination look, guys. Oh. Yeah Slivers are going to run the full gambit of old look to new look and some inbetween now. According to Wizards at least.
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Jun 27, 2014 02:18
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C-Euro posted:Is it just the enemy painlands coming back, or is there room for the allied painlands as well for the full set of ten? I've never been good at this divination with card #s in sets. I'm pretty sure its just enemy ones. This was the crunch before Urborg and the pain lands were spoiled. XX LANDS XX 239 - 240 - 241 - 242 - Darksteel Citadel, Uncommon 243 - 244 - 245 - 246 - Radiant Fountain, Common 247 - Sliver Hive, Rare 248 - 249 -
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Jun 27, 2014 02:18
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BrokenKnees posted:IMO Kamigawa also took a hit from being in between Mirrodin and Ravnica blocks. I can't get my hopes up too much for a Return to Kamigawa, but Bushido, Splice/Arcane, Ninjitsu, could come back in the right set or supplemental product. Bushido will probably come back with a new name at some point, like Chroma came back as Devotion.
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Jun 27, 2014 02:19
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Ableist Kinkshamer posted:How exactly is it ramping? Cards get a lot better when you can't read them. 
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Jun 27, 2014 02:20
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Rinkles posted:Wait wait, this isn't a reprint is it? Forsythe has already confirmed at least 6 sliver cards besides this (an uncommon cycle, and a mythic rare).
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Jun 27, 2014 02:21
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Cernunnos posted:Oh. Yeah Slivers are going to run the full gambit of old look to new look and some inbetween now. According to Wizards at least. That seems dumb. But better than just sticking with the '14 designs.
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Jun 27, 2014 02:21
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Stinky Pit posted:They skew it because the slow release of the 3 sets means certain color pairs usually end up having more color fixing in standard than others for significant portions of time. Is that something they've done historically? It hasn't been the case in recent years.
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Jun 27, 2014 02:21
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So we still have 2 lands unaccounted for?
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Jun 27, 2014 02:22
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jscolon2.0 posted:I would not at all be surprised to see Splice into Instant and reskinned Bushido printed in regular expansions. I'd rather not see bushido reskinned, just for some more tribal synergy with the Kamigawa Samurai. Cernunnos posted:Oh. Yeah Slivers are going to run the full gambit of old look to new look and some inbetween now. According to Wizards at least. I know they said that art is commissioned on a short enough timetable to go back to the old look but I hope the current mix of old/new styles for the Sliver is a product of that. The humanoid ones are just, so sad. I know that it makes for a less varied look for Slivers, but I'd say that helps with the whole hive mentality theme.
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Jun 27, 2014 02:23
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So for those wondering, the mothership decided to update 4 hours early. http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-mana-2014-06-27 that's how we got the duals known from wizards, and that it's only the five lands. Also in the article we learned that by this time next week the set will be fully spoiled.
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Jun 27, 2014 02:24
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Jabor posted:It doesn't "ramp", just thins your deck. You don't search for two plains, since the new land didn't get put into your graveyard at all. When you're playing with them, you are supposed to use them like a Nykthos deck now, where you tap the Flags for a mana, then play your land, getting yourself an extra mana for the turn. I would consider that ramping, or the closest equivalent to that in white.
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Jun 27, 2014 02:25
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minusX posted:So for those wondering, the mothership decided to update 4 hours early. http://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/making-mana-2014-06-27 that's how we got the duals known from wizards, and that it's only the five lands. Also in the article we learned that by this time next week the set will be fully spoiled. Well, if they gotta keep screwing up, this is definitely the right direction to do it.
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Jun 27, 2014 02:26
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Attorney at Funk posted:Is that something they've done historically? It hasn't been the case in recent years. It's something they've talked about just recently as being something they've noticed and have been more cognizant about during the design process.
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Jun 27, 2014 02:27
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GoutPatrol posted:When you're playing with them, you are supposed to use them like a Nykthos deck now, where you tap the Flags for a mana, then play your land, getting yourself an extra mana for the turn. I would consider that ramping, or the closest equivalent to that in white. It doesn't get you an extra mana though! It just turns one of your tapped Flagstones into a tapped Plains!
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Jun 27, 2014 02:29
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Stinky Pit posted:It's something they've talked about just recently as being something they've noticed and have been more cognizant about during the design process. That's interesting. It also suggests a certain strategic commutability between the painlands and whatever they're putting in Khans, meaning they probably won't ETB tapped. Which is good, since a year where 80% of the duals come into play tapped would be terrible.
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Jun 27, 2014 02:30
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Painlands are great. Looking forward to M15, I loving love spoiler season.
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Jun 27, 2014 02:35
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Cernunnos posted:So we still have 2 lands unaccounted for? XX LANDS XX 239 - 240 - Battlefield Forge 241 - Caves of Koilos 242 - Darksteel Citadel, Uncommon 243 - 244 - Llanowar Wastes 245 - Radiant Fountain, Common 246 - Shivan Reef 247 - Sliver Hive, Rare 248 - Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth 249 - Yavimaya Coast At least one for sure. 239 could be an artifact.
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Jun 27, 2014 02:43
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Attorney at Funk posted:That's interesting. It also suggests a certain strategic commutability between the painlands and whatever they're putting in Khans, meaning they probably won't ETB tapped. Which is good, since a year where 80% of the duals come into play tapped would be terrible. It could be that the Khans allied cycle will be similar to the painlands but different. Maybe we'll see the Grove of the Burnwillows cycle finally get printed. (At bare minimum it seems on-theme for a land formerly infested by dragons to have an everburning forest.)
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Jun 27, 2014 02:46
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jscolon2.0 posted:I seriously wonder if we'll ever see DFC's again, since machine readable frames mean you could guarantee both "sides" as separate cards in a booster now. RELEASE THE BFM
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Jun 27, 2014 02:50
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Bugsy posted:I'm pretty sure its just enemy ones. This was the crunch before Urborg and the pain lands were spoiled. Doesn't this go against their policy of wanting to make all ten duals of a certain flavor available in the same set? Or is this an exemption due to being a core set/reprints/developed before the policy was put in place?
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Jun 27, 2014 02:50
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C-Euro posted:Doesn't this go against their policy of wanting to make all ten duals of a certain flavor available in the same set? Or is this an exemption due to being a core set/reprints/developed before the policy was put in place? That policy exists to avoid skewing the mana in Block Constructed formats, like how Innistrad only had enemy duals and Scars of Mirrodin only had ally ones.
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Jun 27, 2014 02:51
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Aww yeah, here comes the Valroth's Stronghold reprint  Or just give me Wasteland. I'd appreciate that.
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Jun 27, 2014 02:54
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For anyone looking to stock up (assuming you don't have dozens of pain lands already) it seems like the best bet is to buy Caves of Koilos, Battlefield Forge, and Llanowar Wastes now, as they're more likely to go up from their current price while Yavimaya Coast and Shivan Reef are more likely to go down. Cardshark vendors have the best prices and haven't updated them quite yet. The eBay sellers seem to be on the ball for the most part.
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Jun 27, 2014 03:03
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Gyshall posted:Painlands are great. Looking forward to M15, I loving love spoiler season.
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