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I have plenty of evidence. And nothing opinion based. All statistics, like GDP, unemployement rates, increase in % participation on government assistance, % of monetary increase spent on government assistance, and increase in % of college grades unable to find gainful employment. I just choose not to feed trolls on Facebook who clearly just want to poo poo in someones Cheerios because its fun to there lackluster life.

gatesealer posted:

So apparently it is now considered trolling to ask legitimate questions about a persons political opinions that you disagree with.


He has been talking about how Obama is destroying america and I asked him for evidence of this.

Shalebridge Cradle posted:

I am constantly impressed how Obama managed to fling the country into recession before he even took office.

Guy is good.

ToxicSlurpee posted:

I've never had a boss that expected me to do as much as I did in high school or held me to the impossibly high standards that some of the teachers did. Sometimes complaining about teachers was totally justified.

seiferguy posted:

There was a great comic strip I saw where it shows the progression of a child to adult. First the child is in kindergarten, and the teacher says "Welcome to Kindergarten, we don't do too much, try not to break anything" then the kid is in elementary school and the teacher says "if you think this is hard, wait till High School!" then at college "if you think this is hard, wait till college!" then at college "If you think this is hard, wait till you have a job!" Then the guy is at his job and his boss is there saying "welcome to your new job, we don't do much here, try not to break anything."

I feel like that's a much better representation of my school and work experience.

ToxicSlurpee posted:

I was thinking of exactly that comic, actually, and here it is!

http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&id=1775#comic

And it's ultimately true. I've actually had jobs where the boss specifically said to me "well we need to have a warm body in the building for all eight hours but you only have five hours of actual work to do so either stretch it out or find something else to do." Sometimes I'd invite a friend and eat a pizza or just sit and read for the extra time. The expectations were nowhere near as high as high school led me to believe. Even in jobs where I had actual things to do the entire time as long as nobody died and everything got done the boss just didn't give a poo poo.

Actually my favorite job was unloading trucks, now that I think about it. It was "there are a bunch of things at point A. We want them at point B. Get them there before you clock out." That was it. It was nowhere near as stressful as some of the high school teachers I had and nobody was holding my future hostage for petty reasons. It was just "OK, we'll pay you $X an hour to pick things up from one place and put them in some other place."

seiferguy posted:

gatesealer posted:

it's like we entered some parallel universe when he was elected where the short comings of previous presidents where all Obama's fault.

Buzkashi posted:

Someone posted this video on Facebook and it got erased from the group before I could touch the poop but it's pretty dumb.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imw8YGyPgk4&feature=kp

It Only Took This Army Vet 3 Minutes To Destroy Obama’s Gun Control Plan

My takeaway from this is that you're not allowed to have an opinion on the state of the country unless you've served. That's a good standard to set.

Alkydere posted:

This is my experience. I've never been lucky enough to land an office job but even on the grunt jobs the biggest expectations are "dress appropriately", "don't insult customers to their face" and "don't break poo poo". That and I've never had a teacher share his pot with me. Then again my jobs are "Be the white guy on the landscaping crew who can't pretend he doesn't know English", "Pizza delivery", "Bread Slicer" and "Free Sample Guy".

protastic posted:

There is an interesting correlation I've found between how hard you're expected to work, and how much you're paid for it.
When I worked in food service and retail making minimum wage, my bosses were on me like flies on poo poo. "If there's time to lean, there's time to clean" and all that.
Now I have a job as a server tech making almost twice as much (without a degree or certifications, no less) and my job consists almost entirely of sitting around not breaking things. Sometimes I fix things that are broken. Right now I'm waiting for my boss to bring me more not-broken things, which I will put in the easiest available location and then touch as little as possible in the coming months.
I'm also getting paid overtime to shitpost.

Dr. Arbitrary posted:

I'm a veteran and I give you 100% permission to have opinions on the state of the country. I'll even give you permission to give other people this same permission.

If anyone gives you a hard time, tell them that they're making GBS threads on my military service.

ToxicSlurpee posted:

One thing I will never, ever understand are people that constantly scream poo poo that basically means "people fought and died for you to have this freedom that you are exercising, you are disrespecting them by exercising it."

ToxicSlurpee posted:

One thing I will never, ever understand are people that constantly scream poo poo that basically means "people fought and died for you to have this freedom that you are exercising, you are disrespecting them by exercising it."

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imw8YGyPgk4&feature=kp

It Only Took This Army Vet 3 Minutes To Destroy Obama’s Gun Control Plan

Jurgan posted:

Well, it was either Obama or his immediate predecessor Bill Clinton, whom we also hate. It's not as if there was some other president between them who could have been responsible.

Mo_Steel posted:

In fairness blaming Bush for the 2008 financial crisis and resulting recession is not very sound either; it's a complex situation with a variety of factors involved in a lack of understanding of the scale and scope of systemic risk, poorly incentivized ratings agencies, very large incentives for banks to make terrible loans so they could sell them off to investors, the housing bubble as a consequence of our national obsession with the American Dream being home ownership and low interest rates, increasing debt held at the family and individual level due to stagnating wages, and regulatory capture preventing what few regulators did try to work on various aspects of the problem from doing too much. Among other factors.

Basically this:

Jurgan posted:

I mean, you have the freedom to stand on a street corner screaming "I hate Jews!" all day, but that doesn't mean you should. It's fair to say that you should use your freedoms responsibly. It's just that we disagree on what constitutes irresponsibility.

Dr. Arbitrary posted:

I'm a veteran and I give you 100% permission to have opinions on the state of the country. I'll even give you permission to give other people this same permission.

If anyone gives you a hard time, tell them that they're making GBS threads on my military service.

Buzkashi posted:

My takeaway from this is that you're not allowed to have an opinion on the state of the country unless you've served.* That's a good standard to set.

Dr. Arbitrary posted:

Hypothetically, if declaring a corporation to be Jehovah's Witness or whatever is okay, wouldn't companies be obligated to their shareholders to convert to the most economical religion?

VitalSigns posted:

You forgot the part where disagreeing with Republicans makes you a phony soldier and possibly a traitor, you proven traitor you.

Xarthor posted:

Anywhere I can go with this? Right now I can't seem to break through pointing out the obvious pitfalls to religious exemptions. I know he won't go for the argument about how allowing a company (versus an individual) to do this would be unprecedented.

He's going to want to talk about it more Monday when the decision is announced and his views just make me

Sir Rolo posted:

If a Saudi oil company purchased an American retailer, would you be okay with them forcing all employees to convert to Islam or be fired?

vyelkin posted:

Does sharia or the Koran say anything about health coverage?

I ask because I agree that going to Islam as a rebuttal is fantastic for responding to lovely American conservatives, but forcing employees to convert to Islam isn't really an apt comparison since Hobby Lobby isn't trying to force their employees to actually convert to their particular brand of Christianity, just that they shouldn't have to give them health care that contradicts their dumb beliefs.

ArchangeI posted:

Well, change it to "if the owner of a company is an avowed Atheist, should he be allowed to fire people for being Christian/wanting time off on Christmas"?

Mooseontheloose posted:

boil it down even more, you are basically saying that your bosses religion trumps the employees religion.

Discendo Vox posted:

The account I read in the washington post stated only lerner's computer crashed, and that the correspondence in question was what couldn't be covered by their backup maintenance system and from other computers. Basically, they don't try to permanently keep all records, and they were only able to recover stuff from other people who had been the recipients/senders of emails that passed through Lerner's system, by going to their computers.

I can't find the article now, though-my search results are clogged with right wing coverage and conflict coverage that doesn't discuss what actually happened. It might be productive to ask Dante where he heard this 7 computers part.

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(I don't tend to like Fox, but this one was one of the first google responses. I will note, however, that the other news outlets are basically completely ignoring the whole thing, making finding press releases from them difficult.)

Jurgan posted:

"My right trumps your dead." It blows my mind that someone who says this is not immediately seen as a sociopath. I also like his proposed "make politicians with no law enforcement training lead the police in raids" act. I'm not even sure what the point of that was.

ArchangeI posted:

Well, change it to "if the owner of a company is an avowed Atheist, should he be allowed to fire people for being Christian/wanting time off on Christmas"?

gradenko_2000 posted:

Update: He linked these
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/the-five/article/2014/06/25/gutfeld-coincidence-or-cover-irs
http://dailycaller.com/2014/06/26/meet-the-seven-irs-employees-whose-computers-crashed/

I'm not sure I want to engage further when his source of news is an article by Greg loving Gutfeld. He did leave a disclaimer though

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What are the emails in question?

GOP-led House committees have requested documents from various agencies and individuals since the scandal broke — the IRS says it has already spent $10 million complying with such requests. But particular suspicion has always focused on the director of the relevant IRS unit, Lois Lerner, who was placed on administrative leave shortly after the scandal broke, and has since retired. Though Lerner has repeatedly said she's done nothing illegal, she has twice pled the Fifth to avoid answering questions under oath from Congressional committees. And in May, the House of Representatives voted to hold her in contempt of Congress, because of her refusal to cooperate with the investigation.

At first, the IRS used search terms to narrow down and provide the relevant Lerner emails to the inspector general and Congress — in 2013, the agency handed over more than 10,000 emails Lerner sent or received. But GOP committee chairs Darrell Issa and Dave Camp weren't satisfied, and wanted to see all of Lerner's emails since 2009. Early in 2014, the IRS finally agreed to supply them all, and set about collecting them — an expensive, time-consuming process. According to the agency, while doing so, it realized that many of Lerner's emails prior to April 2011 were missing, and sought to ascertain why.

Last week, the IRS told Congress of its findings — Lerner's computer crashed in mid-2011, and many of her emails appear to be gone. The agency did manage to reconstruct and supply some of them by pulling them from other employees' accounts — and 67,000 emails that Lerner wrote or received were handed over. But Congressional Republicans were unsatisfied, to say the least, as you can see in this angry statement from Rep. Paul Ryan:

[video]

Mo_Steel posted:

http://www.vox.com/2014/6/23/5834518/irs-lois-lerner-missing-emails


The GOP are costing the American taxpayers millions of dollars chasing after what they hope is a scandal for political purposes. I also haven't seen anything about 7 computers, it all seems centered around GOP desire to find an email from POTUS to Lerner saying "kill all tea party groups lolololo" and then Lerner responding "yes king obama".

Xarthor posted:

how it leaves Pandora's box open for companies to not comply with any kind of law they don't like under the guise of religion, from not covering AIDS drugs for gay people, or pregnancy coverage for unwed mothers, blood transfusions for Jehovah's witnesses, etc.