twistedmentat posted:So I'm reading Dark Reign, and what the hell kind of hair are the Osborns supposed to have? It looks like cornrows, but I suspect its supposed to be super short but super curly hair. 
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twistedmentat posted:So I'm reading Dark Reign, and what the hell kind of hair are the Osborns supposed to have? It looks like cornrows, but I suspect its supposed to be super short but super curly hair. Osborn's hair is supposed to be slicked back waves.
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Jun 21, 2014 19:18
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Google search "John Oxendine" because he has exactly this sort of hair and ran for Senate a couple years ago and looks like a chunky Norman Osborn. I would post a photo but you'd think it was some sort of Photoshop gag.
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Jun 21, 2014 19:27
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Its also one of those things where it was originally drawn a certain way and then subsequent artists copied it without knowing what Ditko was going for and so it became more and more exaggerated until you end up with cornrows.
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Jun 21, 2014 19:52
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Edge & Christian posted:Google search "John Oxendine" because he has exactly this sort of hair and ran for Senate a couple years ago and looks like a chunky Norman Osborn. I would post a photo but you'd think it was some sort of Photoshop gag. This is probably exactly what Ditko was going for. As the style at the time for Madison avenue folks, where Marvel is HQ'd was slicked back with enough brillcream to start a uncontrolled blaze, he probably saw a number of guys with this hair around. It could be drawn in a way to indicate what it is, but its better to copy Ditko's art. About Dark Reign, what happened to Tony and didn't real cap come back after being captured by the Skrulls? I remember at the end of Secret Invasion when Tony crashed the prison ship with everyone on it, Cap was there. But the Captain America that's shown up in the issues is Bucky Cap. It does seem weird that Tony and the Avengers just moved out, and Osborn and the Thunderbolt Avengers move in with all the Stark stuff still there. The Spiderman story in it was pretty awesome, love him getting Reed to make him a Venom costume.
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Jun 21, 2014 21:07
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Pretty sure Cap was still "dead" during that time.
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Jun 21, 2014 21:20
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twistedmentat posted:It could be drawn in a way to indicate what it is, but its better to copy Ditko's art. The Skrulls hacked into Tony's Extreme Starktech or whatever during Secret Invasion which lets them invade and messed him up badly, so that at the end of Secret Invasion he was basically discredited and brain damaged. He's off on the run trying to reboot his brain or something for the length of Dark Reign. Since about half of the Avengers were already outlaws after Civil War, the remaining Avengers at the end of Secret Invasion were the Wasp (who dies/'dies'), Ares and Sentry (who go along with Osborn's Avengers), and Wonder Man and Ms. Marvel who quit after putting up a vain fight. The idea was that when Stark took over as head of SHIELD he consolidated all the Avengers property/rights into SHIELD, so when the government appointed Norman Osborn as the head of SHIELD/HAMMER, random Avengers didn't have any recourse. THANKS OBAMA.
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Jun 21, 2014 22:05
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Ah that makes sense. And yea I remember Tony being freaked the gently caress out during the last act of Secret Invasion, starting from when the Skrull Queen trying to convince him that he was a Skrull, because all his actions helped them out. Though by the finale battle it seemed he'd recovered, probably not enough though. And okay, it wasn't clear because as you pointed out, Spiderwoman, Mockingbird, Sue and a number of the other from that ship were the origonal ones, so I assumed all the others were too. Plus at that point poo poo was confusing as hell. That first ship that was full of a lot of people in their old outfits like ms marvel and Luke Cage was really confusing, until people started dieing and there was a vague idea of who was a Skrull. I ready the whole New Avengers run from when Luke is given the team, so I saw them hiding out from The Thunderbolt Avengers.
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Jun 21, 2014 23:43
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Loved Ms. Marvel #5. How's Alan Davis's Savage Hulk?
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Jun 27, 2014 03:18
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Is Nova any good? I'm loving the character in things like Original Sin, but Loeb makes me wary for obvious reasons.
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Jun 27, 2014 03:40
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Unmature posted:Is Nova any good? I'm loving the character in things like Original Sin, but Loeb makes me wary for obvious reasons. Yeah it's really good actually.
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Jun 27, 2014 03:44
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Unmature posted:Is Nova any good? I'm loving the character in things like Original Sin, but Loeb makes me wary for obvious reasons. Nova is excellent from the very start.
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Jun 27, 2014 03:45
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Plus Loeb wasn't on it for very long. He left after issue 5. Duggan recently started writing it. I don't remember who wrote it between them, but it's been consistently good the whole way through.
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Jun 27, 2014 03:52
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Diet Poison posted:Plus Loeb wasn't on it for very long. He left after issue 5. Duggan recently started writing it. I don't remember who wrote it between them, but it's been consistently good the whole way through. Zeb Wells iirc.
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Jun 27, 2014 03:53
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Diet Poison posted:Plus Loeb wasn't on it for very long. He left after issue 5. Duggan recently started writing it. I don't remember who wrote it between them, but it's been consistently good the whole way through. The Loeb issues were really good too.
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Jun 27, 2014 03:57
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Still miss Richard Rider though 
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zoux posted:Still miss Richard Rider though Yeah. I guess we'll find out what the deal is next month.
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Jun 27, 2014 04:06
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Schneider Heim posted:Loved Ms. Marvel #5. I really loved the scene with Kamala and her father. You rarely see teenage girls, or hell any female characters, shown to have good relationships with their father.
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Jun 27, 2014 04:36
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Schneider Heim posted:How's Alan Davis's Savage Hulk? It's like Savage Wolverine, random stories from random time periods. The first issue takes place back when Hulk had no control and the O5 X-Men were still around. When Beast was still just a white dude, and Jean was there. Not really worth picking up imo. (unless you really want Hulk)
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Jun 27, 2014 05:41
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twistedmentat posted:I really loved the scene with Kamala and her father. You rarely see teenage girls, or hell any female characters, shown to have good relationships with their father. Hell, you rarely see male characters have good relationships with their fathers in superhero comics. Of course it helps that usually their fathers are dead...
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Jun 27, 2014 06:00
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I'm pretty sure the ratio of comic book characters with living parents to those with dead parents is skewed in the latter's favor.
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Jun 27, 2014 07:15
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Don't worry, Kamala is still a new character with one writer using her. There's plenty of time for an author to come along and kill everyone she loves, because that is automatic character development, dontcha know. Edit: Gah, that sounded cynical (which I am, but yeah). I should mention I love the title currently, and drat the art is gorgeous. While we're at it, how are Ms. Marvel's sales? I really hope the writer gets a chance at a decent arc. Madrox fucked around with this message at 11:52 on Jun 27, 2014 |
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Jun 27, 2014 11:48
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Reed has a good relationship with his father. Why last time they hung out they went with Doom to kill the last remaining Richard Sr in the multiverse! He's also a good father himself!
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Jun 27, 2014 13:01
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Madrox posted:Don't worry, Kamala is still a new character with one writer using her. There's plenty of time for an author to come along and kill everyone she loves, because that is automatic character development, dontcha know. Attach a character to Captain Marvel and they become cursed.
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Jun 27, 2014 13:44
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Guys stop worrying about them killing off her family that won't happen. They'll turn out to be a terrorist sleeper cell.
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Jun 27, 2014 14:02
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SirDan3k posted:Guys stop worrying about them killing off her family that won't happen. The father seems pretty well grounded but that brother.....hrmmmmm.
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Jun 27, 2014 16:41
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Madrox posted:While we're at it, how are Ms. Marvel's sales? I really hope the writer gets a chance at a decent arc. MS MARVEL #2 $2.99 MAR 38,357 MS MARVEL #3 $2.99 MAR 37,140 Looks like #4 sold about 34k.
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Jun 27, 2014 16:57
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irlZaphod posted:MS MARVEL #1 $2.99 MAR 50,286 Which is frustrating because our sales on the book have quadrupled.
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Jun 27, 2014 16:58
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I'm going to blindly wager without any evidence that some stores are refusing to order it past the variant-rich first issue because muslim.
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Jun 27, 2014 17:02
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twistedmentat posted:I really loved the scene with Kamala and her father. You rarely see teenage girls, or hell any female characters, shown to have good relationships with their father. That was a great scene, and I'm hoping that by the end of this arc she tells her family about her powers. The whole secret identity rigamorale is frustrating, and after that conversation I really just wanted her to open up and be like, "I stumbled into these powers and the capacity to help people for a reason, etc etc"
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Jun 27, 2014 17:10
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Assuming that it levels off at around 30k, that's not too bad for a book with a minority female protagonist who is a brand new character, and written by a relatively unknown (female) writer. Especially if you assume that some people won't pick it up because it's about a Muslim character.
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Jun 27, 2014 17:12
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Isn't 34k still well above Marvel's unofficial cancellation number?
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Jun 27, 2014 17:15
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Endless Mike posted:Isn't 34k still well above Marvel's unofficial cancellation number?
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Jun 27, 2014 17:16
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That's also only US print sales. I think books like Captain and Ms. Marvel have huge digital followings.
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Jun 27, 2014 17:22
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d00gZ posted:That's also only US print sales. I think books like Captain and Ms. Marvel have huge digital followings. Now that I only buy digital, I read Ms Marvel. So, I'm that guy.
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Jun 27, 2014 17:59
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Those sales numbers are probably what Marvel are expecting and as with Captain Marvel they'll probably continue it for a while based on principal anyway so I wouldn't get too worried about cancellation.
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Jun 27, 2014 18:09
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New Warriors on the other hand.
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Jun 27, 2014 18:11
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Just listened to the first ep of the Women of Marvel podcast and it was great: http://thewomenofmarvelcomics.tumblr.com/
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Jun 27, 2014 18:38
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bobkatt013 posted:New Warriors on the other hand. 
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After the announcement that Moon Knight would be having a creative change, I've been trying to get reprint's of Ms. Marvel to catch up. Really liking it so far, though I've only read the first two issues.
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