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Guessing the back half of a truck frame was welded onto the unibody and then a bed stuck on top and an axle installed. I doubt the rear brakes even work.
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mad.radhu posted:I spotted this same car in Fairfax today. Even the wheels had Benz logos. Smarts you see under a Benz badge are Canuckistani grey market imports. Legal as soon as Smarts became available in the US.
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Noeland posted:Smarts you see under a Benz badge are Canuckistani grey market imports. Legal as soon as Smarts became available in the US. What? Canadian market SMARTs are badged under SMART, they were never badged as MB anywhere in the world.
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Preoptopus posted:I worked on one that was a Brabus edition once with Brabus badges/logos all over it. (Even had Brabus carpets!) Maybe thats from the factory like that. and they're still garbage. I can't believe Brabus put their name on those turds. I drove one that belonged to a friend of mine. Absolutely the worst car I've ever driven.
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Jun 27, 2014 11:57
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Throatwarbler posted:What? Canadian market SMARTs are badged under SMART, they were never badged as MB anywhere in the world. You'll see them in Mercedes Benz dealers because they're distributed by them, but yeah no MB badged versions here.
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Jun 27, 2014 13:49
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angryhampster posted:and they're still garbage. I can't believe Brabus put their name on those turds. I drove one that belonged to a friend of mine. Absolutely the worst car I've ever driven. They are all aggressively terrible. They ride and accelerate like a shopping cart, the transmission shifts obnoxiously hard, the engine is loud and thrashy, and they vibrate like a paint shaker. Zero redeeming qualities, unless you count the feeling of smug self-satisfaction.
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surebet posted:You'll see them in Mercedes Benz dealers because they're distributed by them, but yeah no MB badged versions here. Good to know. I always thought they were just the Pre-US release SMART, always saw them rollin around with BC plates and MB emblems in Seattle
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Noeland posted:Good to know. I always thought they were just the Pre-US release SMART, always saw them rollin around with BC plates and MB emblems in Seattle Pretty sure I saw a couple stand-alone Smart retailers at some point around here, but one of the issues of Canada is loving low population density, so it's not uncommon to see dealers of specialized goods arrange to get distributed by an established brand of equal standing. Like one of the bigger dealers in Montreal has dedicated Mitsubishi, Subaru and Volvo dealerships, and through them sells Jaguar, Lotus, Lamborghini, Land Rover and an impressive amount of classic or exotic used cars. Toronto might be a different game, but yeah, it's not like say LA or New York.
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Jun 27, 2014 14:23
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Horribly ugly wheels that are strangely mesmerizing at low speed  My other shot was too blurry to read, a bumper sticker: "Ben Carson 2016 - AMERICA NEEDS A DOCTOR!"
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Jun 27, 2014 16:31
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robotsinmyhead posted:Horribly ugly wheels that are strangely mesmerizing at low speed 
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Jun 27, 2014 17:51
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They also go out of round stupid easy, always funny seeing a donk with oval wheels.
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Jun 27, 2014 18:10
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Low-cost, always-on hydraulics.
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angryhampster posted:and they're still garbage. I can't believe Brabus put their name on those turds. I drove one that belonged to a friend of mine. Absolutely the worst car I've ever driven. I think Brabus originally just did the roadster. That seems pretty good. http://vimeo.com/34719741
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robotsinmyhead posted:Horribly ugly wheels that are strangely mesmerizing at low speed There called choppers for a reason!
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Jun 27, 2014 20:25
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Driving to work the other day, I saw this. This begs a couple of questions. 1) Porsche makes a space saver spare for 911s? My Cayman just came with a can of slime. 2) 911s are often regarded as unstable in the rear (they're not really), what does this do to the handling?
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Jun 27, 2014 21:02
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Begging the question is implying an answer you want by phrasing a question a certain way, or asking a question that isn't really a question. I see pictures of a spare tire mount that goes in the space behind the passenger seat, but it looks bulky and ugly as hell.
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Aurune posted:Driving to work the other day, I saw this. I once forgot that I had gotten a flat that morning and after a long day at work I took a right handed corner a bit spiritedly on the way home. In a rear wheel drive car, with a space saver on the rear right. Was very glad for good traction control that day, because that's the only time I've ever experienced oversteer when I've been not expecting it whatsoever, at 60mph, with oncoming traffic. Eek.
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Jun 27, 2014 21:22
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Aurune posted:Driving to work the other day, I saw this. Because the cayman is for poors  Real answer: that shape 911 predates the proliferation of slime instead of a real spare, the boxster was one of the very first cars on the market that carried no spare.
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Jun 27, 2014 21:56
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I think a spare is an option on some of them but I'm not 100% sure.
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Jun 27, 2014 22:01
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stump posted:I figure that's more of a "drive at very carefully to the nearest tyre shop" spare than a "drive about for a few weeks till I can be arsed" one. This video gets trotted out like at least once a month but really you might as well slap 3 more space savers on and have some fun!
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Wolfsbane posted:I think Brabus originally just did the roadster. That seems pretty good. They did an actual ForTwo as well -  0-62 in 9.9 seconds! Also I found this review on Autocar while looking for a decent image - quote:Nestled up back over the rear axle, the 1.0-litre turbo engine receives added boost pressure and a more free-flowing exhaust, while torque increases from 88bhp to a more muscular 103lb ft at 3500rpm. Is it just me or is there something off with those figures? 
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Terrible car: my 2013 Dart turbo. It's been in the shop the last 35 days for warranty work on the turbo! It's less than 2 years old. They gave me a courtesy call yesterday to let me know the parts haven't come in yet and they haven't started on it. Good news is I'm going to be getting rid of it I guess.
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Jun 28, 2014 14:45
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Rolo posted:Terrible car: my 2013 Dart turbo. It's been in the shop the last 35 days for warranty work on the turbo! Are these universally poo poo? It was the one car had on my "to-test drive" list and never got around to before buying a Fiesta ST.
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Jun 28, 2014 14:58
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Dr.Caligari posted:Are these universally poo poo? It was the one car had on my "to-test drive" list and never got around to before buying a Fiesta ST. The parts for it are on back order and there's supposedly 2 in front of it for the same issue, so it's definitely not just one issue. I loved driving it, but I didn't buy a brand new car cause I love writing checks, I bought it because I wanted something reliable. Gonna be getting something used and easy to work on.
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There's something about a Dodge car that says "Why not a Honda?" or at least a Ford if you're going to buy American. Unless you're getting a Challenger or something, I'm not sure what the point of getting one is when a similar amount of money could put you in a Toyota or a Honda. Same goes for GM econo cars.
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I would never buy one, accept one as a gift, or be seen dead in one. But part of me wishes I could be someone else for a day and just gently caress around in this tiny piece of poo poo because it's so drat stupid it has to be fun. It looks like a Micro Machine.
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Jun 28, 2014 16:19
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One of the guys I share a parking lot with at work has a Brabus Fortwo. It sounds even worse than the regular one, of which there are also tons in the lot.
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Dr.Caligari posted:Are these universally poo poo? It was the one car had on my "to-test drive" list and never got around to before buying a Fiesta ST. It sounds like they are universally poo poo. I read a story a while back that 60-70% of Darts rolling off the production line needed extensive rework before they passed quality control. Granted, it is normal for some cars coming off the line to need rework before they pass inspection, but according to the story the Dart was experiencing problems far beyond what would be considered a normal rate.
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I Might Be Adam posted:There's something about a Dodge car that says "Why not a Honda?" or at least a Ford if you're going to buy American. Unless you're getting a Challenger or something, I'm not sure what the point of getting one is when a similar amount of money could put you in a Toyota or a Honda. Same goes for GM econo cars. Some person posted in AI about how all the assemblyline workers are terrible. 
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Gorilla Salad posted:I would never buy one, accept one as a gift, or be seen dead in one. But part of me wishes I could be someone else for a day and just gently caress around in this tiny piece of poo poo because it's so drat stupid it has to be fun. That sad thing is it's not fun. Like someone mentioned earlier, the trans is unbelievably bad, the engine is wheezy and feels underpowered (which is pathetic given the car weighs 1800lbs) the interior is crap, the seating position is terrible, and it's just embarrassing to be in. People give you stares for all the wrong reasons.
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This is only AI application of a SMART https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AgwzHJo3IXM
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I Might Be Adam posted:There's something about a Dodge car that says "Why not a Honda?" or at least a Ford if you're going to buy American. Unless you're getting a Challenger or something, I'm not sure what the point of getting one is when a similar amount of money could put you in a Toyota or a Honda. Same goes for GM econo cars. The Honda is probably as much or more 'American' as a Dodge, trapped in a garage because its Fiat engine is making GBS threads the bed
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Dr.Caligari posted:Are these universally poo poo? It was the one car had on my "to-test drive" list and never got around to before buying a Fiesta ST. They combine fiat/alfa engineering with chrysler build quality. What could go wrong?
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Dr.Caligari posted:Are these universally poo poo? It was the one car had on my "to-test drive" list and never got around to before buying a Fiesta ST. Buddy at work got one about a year ago. After the 6th time back to the dealership he was so pissed he traded it straight-up (he paid cash for the car initially, so truly straight-up) to his cousin for a 2004 Durango. It's been back to the dealer another 3 times since then. And it's not even that good if you ignore the ridiculous QC issues.
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Snowdens Secret posted:The Honda is probably as much or more 'American' as a Dodge, trapped in a garage because its Fiat engine is making GBS threads the bed I might be reading this wrong but what are you saying? I was always under the impression that Hondas were little golden workhorses like Toyotas. I drive a scion and while the interior is nothing to brag about and it shows it's cheapness and affordability but that Toyota engine always makes me feel good about the purchase. That and I haven't had any issues in 3 1/2 years aside from standard maintenance. My wife's Fiesta was also a good purchase because she only puts on a whopping 3-4k miles a year so that car is going to last forever. Every Dodge sedan or econo car just reminds me of all the friends I had with Neons that always had problems.
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He's saying it's no more American than the Honda. It's built on a Fiat platform with a Fiat engine; it's basically a re-skinned Alfa Romeo Giuletta, only without the stunning good looks to go along with the Italian Soul (crippling reliability issues).
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Fucknag posted:He's saying it's no more American than the Honda. It's built on a Fiat platform with a Fiat engine; it's basically a re-skinned Alfa Romeo Giuletta, only without the stunning good looks to go along with the Italian Soul (crippling reliability issues). This, and the Honda is most likely assembled domestically, with a similar domestic/import parts content as 'domestics' like the Dodge or Fords, so talking about 'buying American' being a reason to go with one of the latter instead of the former is just playing to stereotypes. It gets especially muddy depending on if you consider Canadian or Mexican manufacture to be 'domestic'; I Might Be Adam mentions the Challenger, but that's a Canadian-built car with a Mexican Hemi. I was not suggesting the Honda had a Fiat engine and apologize for my perhaps unfortunate comma placement
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The justification I usually see is "well, the money still ends up overseas." Never mind all the American manufacturing jobs created from that foreign money, or the fact that the Japanese cars helped usher in more efficient American cars that reduce dependence on petroleum (if only a little bit, compared to how much crude we use in total, but I digress,) them drat slanteyes is taken err jerbs.
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Snowdens Secret posted:I was not suggesting the Honda had a Fiat engine and apologize for my perhaps unfortunate comma placement Thanks for clarifying. I know a little about domestic/foreign car companies sharing ownership of brands or merging but I wasn't sure if I was reading it right or not. The Dart sounds even worse now. My previous assumptions were based on QC issues of Dodge alone.
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