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They still haven't shipped mine, it was listed as in stock until tuesday and now sold out, never gonna order from them again. Anyone else had more luck?
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Malcolm XML posted:Yes actually writing VHDL/verilog is a giant pain in the rear end and the tools are so loving terrible compared to software. I really wish someone would come in w/ an fpga that had an open bitstream format and allow open tools, but that ain't happening. As much as I agree about it being a giant PITA, I can't imagine open tools being an improvement in any way. The difficulty and expense of writing competent FPGA place-and-route software is off the charts, it's a really nasty NP-hard optimization problem.
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BobHoward posted:As much as I agree about it being a giant PITA, I can't imagine open tools being an improvement in any way. The difficulty and expense of writing competent FPGA place-and-route software is off the charts, it's a really nasty NP-hard optimization problem. Open standards have led to many a good package, considering that the software doesn't need to be open. See IntelliJ (hell, see every single thing that JetBrains does) , Visual Studio, etc.
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Jun 26, 2014 14:41
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I just bought a car on a whim so I'll be watching you guys from the sidelines 
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Jun 26, 2014 15:45
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Ignoarints posted:I just bought a car on a whim so I'll be watching you guys from the sidelines Do you ever not buy things on a whim? You need to visit the personal finance thread.
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Jun 26, 2014 15:55
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deimos posted:Do you ever not buy things on a whim? You need to visit the personal finance thread. I never do not never not buy things on a whim... but I had a small window and it was the right choice I promise you :P Well I should say I sold my car on a whim, requiring me to purchase another quickly. I even made a grown up decision and purposefully chose a trim that I couldn't overclock
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Jun 26, 2014 16:27
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My 4790k is kind of crappy. almost 1.3v at stock speeds, cant get stable over 4.5.
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Jun 26, 2014 17:37
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Don Lapre posted:My 4790k is kind of crappy. almost 1.3v at stock speeds, cant get stable over 4.5. 
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Jun 26, 2014 17:44
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Someone with same batch as me "L352C119" reported same thing "Doesn't get stable after 4.5ghz. Mine doesn't play nice with its own turbo on stock clocks. Vid was between 1.28- 1.32. Terrible" Some people are getting chips that are over a year old. People with L4 (2014) chips seem overall to be doing better. Don Lapre fucked around with this message at 17:58 on Jun 26, 2014 |
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Jun 26, 2014 17:54
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So in other words, completely average 4770k overclocking numbers with the exception of improved thermals. While others who get an actually improved chip for the same price will fare better. Pretty lame if you ask me
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Jun 26, 2014 18:14
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Don Lapre posted:
 This loving industry.
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Jun 26, 2014 18:18
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Its funny to watch Intel just pick up nerds by their feet and shake them until all the money comes out
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Jun 26, 2014 18:31
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Well, that's disappointing. I'm still planning on getting one when Micro Center gets them in stock to replace my 2500K (mostly because I want to upgrade the MB and case than the CPU), but I guess if it turns out to be a really terrible overclocker I might just try the delidded 4770K that I also have instead (which I never actually OCed - I delidded it because it's going in a FT03 Mini with a H60, so not amazing cooling).
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Jun 26, 2014 20:24
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GokieKS posted:Well, that's disappointing. I'm still planning on getting one when Micro Center gets them in stock to replace my 2500K (mostly because I want to upgrade the MB and case than the CPU), but I guess if it turns out to be a really terrible overclocker I might just try the delidded 4770K that I also have instead (which I never actually OCed - I delidded it because it's going in a FT03 Mini with a H60, so not amazing cooling). Some of them are doing great. There just seems to be some batches like mine which are really bad. People have had better luck it seems with L4 chips so just ask for one of those at MC.
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Jun 26, 2014 20:25
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Don Lapre posted:Some of them are doing great. There just seems to be some batches like mine which are really bad. People have had better luck it seems with L4 chips so just ask for one of those at MC. Can you read that code through the box? The chip itself is visible isnt it
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Jun 26, 2014 21:20
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Ignoarints posted:Can you read that code through the box? The chip itself is visible isnt it The box has the info and the chip is visible... have you not purchased a recent (last 10 years) Intel chip?
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Ignoarints posted:Can you read that code through the box? The chip itself is visible isnt it  batch# the chip itself also has it and is visible
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deimos posted:The box has the info and the chip is visible... have you not purchased a recent (last 10 years) Intel chip? Hah, yeah, but I probably looked at the box for as long as it takes to take the processor out. I still have them though. If I were to get a 4790k now I'd want to look for the batch it seems, but thanks for the info and pic and excuse my ignorance :P
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Jun 26, 2014 21:32
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That's what I did to find a good G0 Q6600 back when I bought mine, although I went to one of the Tigerdirect/CompUSA stores here since we don't have a Microcenter. The clerk was really patient given that we had to go through at least 15 boxes to find the right batch numbers.
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Jun 26, 2014 23:49
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So what's the scoop on Intel's Pentium G3258? Seems like a pretty realistic and more importantly, affordable option for gaming.
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GokieKS posted:Well, that's disappointing. I'm still planning on getting one when Micro Center gets them in stock to replace my 2500K (mostly because I want to upgrade the MB and case than the CPU), but I guess if it turns out to be a really terrible overclocker I might just try the delidded 4770K that I also have instead (which I never actually OCed - I delidded it because it's going in a FT03 Mini with a H60, so not amazing cooling). DevCore posted:So what's the scoop on Intel's Pentium G3258? We went over this a bit a few pages ago, but man Intel's naming is so confusing.
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Jun 27, 2014 07:59
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Pentium dual core doesn't have hyper threading.
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DevCore posted:So what's the scoop on Intel's Pentium G3258? If you manage to overclock the bejeesus out of it; then it can nearly match a core i3. Of course this also relies on buying a more expensive z97 mobo (unless you're willing to trust in hacked in overclocking support on H series boards) and also spending money on a good cooler, at which point you've already spend more money than just buying a core i3 in the first place, so there is literally no point beyond some sort of feel good marketing crap.
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Jun 27, 2014 13:54
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For gaming it performs on-par with a Core i7 when overclocked, beating any AMD CPUs, which makes it a pretty compelling CPU for a relatively inexpensive gaming box. The power usage is very low even overclocked so there's not as much concern around using lower-end boards for overclocking. A 40% overclock should be generally attainable on the Intel retail cooler.
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Jun 27, 2014 17:01
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Alereon posted:beating any AMD CPUs Seriously amd. Bring some competition to the table.
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The Lord Bude posted:If you manage to overclock the bejeesus out of it; then it can nearly match a core i3. Of course this also relies on buying a more expensive z97 mobo (unless you're willing to trust in hacked in overclocking support on H series boards) and also spending money on a good cooler, at which point you've already spend more money than just buying a core i3 in the first place, so there is literally no point beyond some sort of feel good marketing crap. Nice mobos can have some other advantages besides just ability to overclock, and a good cooler isn't that expensive. Given that this Pentium will top out at about the same clock speeds as an i5 or i7, it's an incredible gaming value.
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But isn't it just dual core?
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Cardboard Box A posted:But isn't it just dual core? Yes. Lots of games aren't heavily multithreaded.
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The Lord Bude posted:If you manage to overclock the bejeesus out of it; then it can nearly match a core i3. Of course this also relies on buying a more expensive z97 mobo
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Don Lapre posted:Some of them are doing great. There just seems to be some batches like mine which are really bad. People have had better luck it seems with L4 chips so just ask for one of those at MC. All the ones at my local Micro Center are L3 batch ones. Now to decide if I buy one of them anyway or wait a bit more and hope they get more in stock which are L4...
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Alereon posted:For gaming it performs on-par with a Core i7 when overclocked Does it though? Looking at this, it seems to perform like a slightly worse i3, and with extra frame time variance.
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Hace posted:Does it though? Looking at this, it seems to perform like a slightly worse i3, and with extra frame time variance. What I saw in this is that there are negligible framerate differences in most games between an i5, i3, and overclocked Pentium, and they are all far ahead of the AMD CPU. Those framerates are high enough that your GPU will normally be your bottleneck, which is exactly the right amount of CPU for most people. Most games are really poorly threaded, and until that changes I will heartily recommend dual-cores to people looking to save money on a gaming build. Did you see how the Pentium did on a task that didn't scale to 4 threads? 
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The only people that the Pentium is really good for are serious OC enthusiasts who are planning on doing suicide runs for e-peen. That way they only destroy a $75 processor vs. $200-$300 for an i5k/i7k. Don't fall into the trap of thinking that this processor actually offers some sort of value proposition. Spending the $75 plus another $50 for a decent cooler will let you OC it to around the perf level of an i3. The same i3 you should have bought with the $125 you just spent.
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Twerk from Home posted:What I saw in this is that there are negligible framerate differences in most games between an i5, i3, and overclocked Pentium, and they are all far ahead of the AMD CPU. Those framerates are high enough that your GPU will normally be your bottleneck, which is exactly the right amount of CPU for most people. Are you ignoring the Grid 2 and Metro: Last Light results, both of which are games that were released last year? Even in the Thief benchmark, it still suffered from stuttering despite it's impressive framerate. And while it did very well in the BF4 test, I have to wonder if it'd hold up just as well in multiplayer. I'd also be very interested to see how well performs in Watch Dogs, as most dual core CPUs seem to loving tank when introduced to that. I'm not saying that it doesn't currently perform well, especially at $75, but it seems extremely shortsighted to invest in a dual core CPU (that can only handle 2 threads) at this point.
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I'd rather have a $75 Intel than a $75 AMD right now, I guess. And if I can overclock it so much the better. But no I can't see the logic in dumping a lot of money into it either. ^^^I'm sure it would get hit hard in BF4 multiplayer. BF4 single player is pretty efficient in benchmarks which leads to all sorts of highly misleading tests and charts about it.
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Krailor posted:The only people that the Pentium is really good for are serious OC enthusiasts who are planning on doing suicide runs for e-peen. That way they only destroy a $75 processor vs. $200-$300 for an i5k/i7k. It has a 50W TDP, I don't think you'll need to spend that much on a cooler to get a decent overclock.
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Hace posted:Does it though? Looking at this, it seems to perform like a slightly worse i3, and with extra frame time variance. Hace posted:Are you ignoring the Grid 2 and Metro: Last Light results, both of which are games that were released last year? Even in the Thief benchmark, it still suffered from stuttering despite it's impressive framerate. And while it did very well in the BF4 test, I have to wonder if it'd hold up just as well in multiplayer. I'd also be very interested to see how well performs in Watch Dogs, as most dual core CPUs seem to loving tank when introduced to that.
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Alereon posted:and in Metro: Last Light it beats the i3 by an even larger margin where performance is more critical. ??? Also while it's very nice that the chip itself only costs $75, the extra premium on Z97 motherboards kinda kills those savings, especially when you can just pair an i3 4130 with a B85 motherboard, have identical/better performance in most games, and still remain somewhat more ~futureproof~ for upcoming titles that will increasingly more dependent on multi-threaded loads.
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Hace posted:??? *$75 Pentium + $100 ASRock Z97 board vs $140 i3 + $75 cheapo board, the i3 system is $40 more expensive. If you try to trim that from the motherboard that's a system nobody wants to own. Saying "just spend the extra $100 over the Pentium system and get an i5" is very valid, but that's another $100. Alereon fucked around with this message at 22:38 on Jun 27, 2014 |
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SourKraut posted:This is the whole reason why Asrock and others are coming out with the barebones Z97 "Anniversary Edition" motherboards that have a satisfactory power delivery system for overclocking but are otherwise sparse. ooh, I haven't heard about these.
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