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Plague of Hats posted:Also sorry Lea and everyone else who doesn't deserve whatever collateral poo poo may ensue, but seriously gently caress what happened and gently caress being politely quiet about it. On one hand I'm really glad you've come out and blown the whistle on all of this, good on you, but on the other hand I just want to stop thinking about this game and go do something else because this is just hosed up and I want nothing to do with it.
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What the Christ? Now I've gone from feeling kind of ambiguous about having put money into the Exalted kickstarter to actively regretful.
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Jun 28, 2014 06:30
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E: Man this was just an unproductive post in general. Here's to hoping Exalted is some day reclaimed by people who don't have axes to grind over the setting.
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Jun 28, 2014 06:31
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You know what, I don't want to come off as possibly a liar due to overestimation or hyperbole. If I edited down an mp3 of nothing but Holden making fun of Inugami, it might not be as long as three hours. EDIT: Oh, and maybe some of the late-night Skyping was 50% talking about World of Warcraft and 50% making GBS threads on everyone. That Old Tree fucked around with this message at 06:44 on Jun 28, 2014 |
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Jun 28, 2014 06:41
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The only Inugami I know are from Shin Megami Tensei games. I guess I never imagined them having a particularly stupid voice, except insofar as any talking dog sounds stupid.
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Jun 28, 2014 06:43
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Plague of Hats posted:You know what, I don't want to come off as possibly a liar due to overestimation or hyperbole. Not to mention the fact that most of your interaction with other people at the time was making GBS threads on Revlid and Earthscorpion for Terrifying Argent Witches? How long that would be in MP3 hours?
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Jun 28, 2014 06:45
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Attorney at Funk posted:The only Inugami I know are from Shin Megami Tensei games. I guess I never imagined them having a particularly stupid voice, except insofar as any talking dog sounds stupid. He's been Inugami, or TornadoWolf, and I think he's currently Sunder the Gold. He can freak the gently caress out about Lunars sometimes, but he is still a pretty nice guy that deserves 0% of the kind of poo poo heaped on him in those meetings.
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Jun 28, 2014 06:45
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So... why come clean about this now? Not that it isn't interesting, but it's a pretty serious own to lay down on the dev team. Do you think it was actually another dev or writer who bought you your title or something?
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Bedlamdan posted:Not to mention the fact that most of your interaction with other people at the time was making GBS threads on Revlid and Earthscorpion for Terrifying Argent Witches? I think we talked about TAW maybe 15-30 minutes total in Skype, and I did a run-down of the problems I had with it for John that, if read aloud, might take half an hour tops? So maybe an hour, and I don't think I did much making GBS threads on the authors, if at all. For any that I might have done, I am regretful and shamed. So yeah. "Most of my interaction with other people."
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Jun 28, 2014 06:50
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Ferrinus posted:So... why come clean about this now? Not that it isn't interesting, but it's a pretty serious own to lay down on the dev team. Do you think it was actually another dev or writer who bought you your title or something? I've talked with some people and read some stuff that makes the level of backroom shitmouth that gets danced around just absolutely unacceptable to me. Also, the PM I got from Holden on some other forum recently, where he wasn't antagonistic but sort of infuriatingly clueless about why anyone seems to think he's done anything wrong. EDIT: I love the title by the way. I grin at the thought of someone spending $10 to do that. I'm pretty sure he didn't, but thanks to him if he did!
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Jun 28, 2014 06:53
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Poor Holden. Well, I mean, "poor" Holden. On one hand this is hugely entertaining, but on the other hand I'm wincing pretty hard. It's clear what to do, of course: put me in charge of the mechanics of Exalted.
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Jun 28, 2014 06:54
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Plague of Hats posted:I've talked with some people and read some stuff that makes the level of backroom shitmouth that gets danced around just absolutely unacceptable to me. Also, the PM I got from Holden on some other forum recently, where he wasn't antagonistic but sort of infuriatingly clueless about why anyone seems to think he's done anything wrong. I mean, to be fair, it's not like pulling an entire generation of writers off of the internet forums populated by fans of the previous generation of writing was gonna go any other way.
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Jun 28, 2014 06:56
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Bedlamdan posted:Not to mention the fact that most of your interaction with other people at the time was making GBS threads on Revlid and Earthscorpion for Terrifying Argent Witches? I want to reiterate that I'm not trying to cast myself as some hero or something. I was lovely, too. But I can still take pride in the fact that I am at least trying to be less lovely and also that I wasn't as lovely as Holden.
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As someone who spent a lot of time on the White Wolf forums, I talked with Inugami a lot, and even had 'em on my skype for awhile. Guy literally had aspergers, or was autistic or something, he told me about it once. So yeah.
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Jun 28, 2014 06:59
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Yeah, really. I mean, I still want to play the game and "giving money to assholes" is pretty much modern life, but god drat, if what Plague of Hats is saying is accurate. That's pretty loving "small businessman".
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Plague of Hats posted:I've talked with some people and read some stuff that makes the level of backroom shitmouth that gets danced around just absolutely unacceptable to me. Also, the PM I got from Holden on some other forum recently, where he wasn't antagonistic but sort of infuriatingly clueless about why anyone seems to think he's done anything wrong. To be honest, I did hear about the blacklisting. Not from John or Holden, mind you, the most I heard from them about you was "he just isn't interested in working with us" or "we were friends but we're not in touch now." I heard it from someone who was working with Neph on a project, and I'm not sure I want to name anymore names given everything that's going on. I don't know if you quit or got fired, and frankly that's none of my drat business. Honestly, given most of the rumors I heard about you, I heard from every mouth but the people involved with Exalted. The people most willing to speak negatively about you were involved with different projects. Most people don't like Inugami though, I thought this was a common thing. Frankly, the people who get poo poo-talked the most is either Theion or Arrakiz. Well, and you now, but that's sort of a given after a bunch of recent things that have been going on with you. Plague of Hats posted:I want to reiterate that I'm not trying to cast myself as some hero or something. I was lovely, too. But I can still take pride in the fact that I am at least trying to be less lovely and also that I wasn't as lovely as Holden. Look, I don't want to be lovely to you either. But as far as I know, you're the only one poo poo-talking people and I don't see what the point is beyond venting and getting some attention? Bedlamdan fucked around with this message at 07:04 on Jun 28, 2014 |
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Jun 28, 2014 07:00
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Well now that the mystery of 'who bought that title' has been answered...
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Chaotic Neutral posted:Well now that the mystery of 'who bought that title' has been answered... I asked about it after I saw the avatar.  Well, no, that's not quite true, I did ask someone why he quit and what he's doing now, and the answer I got was "not working with OPP ever again."
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I think talking about this kind of thing in the open is a good way to try to make it stop.
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Plague of Hats posted:I think talking about this kind of thing in the open is a good way to try to make it stop. The poo poo-talking of forums posters in skype conversations, or people spreading rumors about you?
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Plague of Hats posted:I'm pretty sure none of what I said was a lie, but it was unfair enough that it's pretty misleading. (Except for the paraphrased IM conversation I had with him. At that time he gave no shits, and for good reason.) A lot of that stuff may have been things he put into a doc and sent to a developer, but one way or another it was also stuff the developer told him to do, or gave him no time to do better, or gave him no guidance/coordination to make the whole book fit together. He was working on a line where someone could turn in Obsidian Shards of Infinity or Lillun and get published, and where the supplement churn meant you had a couple months to wrap-up 30k, 60k, 90k words. I think we had something like 4-5 months for Shards and I still hosed up some Theion Charms and never replaced those loving awful auto-fire rules. Who exactly were the 'useful idiots' anyway? The fans? The other writers?
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Nessus posted:Who exactly were the 'useful idiots' anyway? The fans? The other writers? Michael Goodwin, Neall Price, Geoff Grabowski, John Chambers* got the most talk, but pretty much every former author who wasn't currently on the "inside" team was either a traitor, traitor-in-waiting or someone barely competent who might be useful to bring back for grunt work. * Yes, I know, whatever.
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Plague of Hats posted:Neall Price See, this is what bothers me. He knows. He knows drat well that people poo poo-talked him. And you care more about it more than he does! I can't speak for Goodwin, Grabowski, or Chambers, mind, so maybe they'll feel avenged at least.
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I think that it's important to get this stuff out there, because it gives reasoning as to why Plague quit and has been so negative since then, especially since he just got through having to explain that no, he was not, in fact, fired.
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Plague of Hats posted:Michael Goodwin, Neall Price, Geoff Grabowski, John Chambers* got the most talk, but pretty much every former author who wasn't currently on the "inside" team was either a traitor, traitor-in-waiting or someone barely competent who might be useful to bring back for grunt work. Wait, wait. Grabowski? Grabowski? But-
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Ferrinus posted:Wait, wait. Grabowski? Grabowski? But- Yeah, back up and explain this one, Plague. I'm calling bullshit.
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Jun 28, 2014 07:29
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The idea that Holden spends hours on end bitching out his fans and colleagues is both funny as hell and totally unsurprising.
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Jun 28, 2014 07:31
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Ugh, this poo poo is depressing. Why can't people be loving professionals?
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How is it that the best thread on SA is the one about the weird nerds who roleplay as SSJ4 goku?
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So, I don't want to rain on the parade, but I'm pretty sure it's common knowledge around here that Holden is a jackass. Was anyone really saying otherwise? It's just that as long as he can keep his behavior out of the game I won't care. Too bad that already happened.
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thatbastardken posted:Ugh, this poo poo is depressing. Why can't people be loving professionals? RPG writing doesn't pay much, when it pays at all. You mostly get the people who are willing to work for free. And working for free is, literally, the exact opposite of 'being a professional'.
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Ferrinus posted:Poor Holden. Well, I mean, "poor" Holden. On one hand this is hugely entertaining, but on the other hand I'm wincing pretty hard. Listen to this dude. He's the only one that can save exalted, now. Give him the keys.
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Attorney at Funk posted:RPG writing doesn't pay much, when it pays at all. You mostly get the people who are willing to work for free. And working for free is, literally, the exact opposite of 'being a professional'. OK, let me rephrase: Why can't people be decent to each other, even if they aren't getting paid for it?
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thatbastardken posted:OK, let me rephrase: Why can't people be decent to each other, even if they aren't getting paid for it? Oh, well, that's because the earth is tainted by sin.
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This is entertaining gossip, but, yeah, I already knew that Holden had it in him to be a dick and that Morke was at the least insanely self-important, so obviously they're going to be mean about people they don't like in private. Who among us can say that they haven't complained to their internet friends in real time about people they don't like from these forums, for six hours straight, into the wee hours of the morning. Not I,
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Ferrinus posted:This is entertaining gossip, but, yeah, I already knew that Holden had it in him to be a dick and that Morke was at the least insanely self-important, so obviously they're going to be mean about people they don't like in private. Who among us can say that they haven't complained to their internet friends in real time about people they don't like from these forums, for six hours straight, into the wee hours of the morning. Not I, Honestly this whole thing is so stupid and gross and pointlessly loving petty. If this is what you guys were like then I'm glad you've refused to actually tell us anything about what you were thinking or feeling for the last year and change. e: not you, Ferrinus, but you, the collected mass of Exalted writers, up to and including Plague of Hats. (though of course if you want to shut up forever, Ferrinus, far be it from me-)
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Ferrinus posted:This is entertaining gossip, but, yeah, I already knew that Holden had it in him to be a dick and that Morke was at the least insanely self-important, so obviously they're going to be mean about people they don't like in private. Who among us can say that they haven't complained to their internet friends in real time about people they don't like from these forums, for six hours straight, into the wee hours of the morning. Not I,
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Ferrinus posted:Wait, wait. Grabowski? Grabowski? But- There was a conversation where he was basically under suspicion of being an emergency replacement for John and Holden because they might be expected to gently caress up. One of the reasons for this was because his draft for the economics section, which no one but the developers ever saw, was characterized as boring nonsense garbage, and that might be because he was trying to sabotage them.
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Plague of Hats posted:There was a conversation where he was basically under suspicion of being an emergency replacement for John and Holden because they might be expected to gently caress up. One of the reasons for this was because his draft for the economics section, which no one but the developers ever saw, was characterized as boring nonsense garbage, and that might be because he was trying to sabotage them. I suppose this is why we're getting no Creation Ruling Mandate or whatever it was called?
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