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Oh crap. Sorry. I can edit it out if it's gonna cause too much poo poo. I really wasn't trying to poop-touch, just point at. Edit: I pulled it out. I love this thread too much to kill it. If you quoted the original post, it would probably be a good idea to pull the link at least. KitConstantine fucked around with this message at 05:17 on Jun 27, 2014 |
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That poo poo was funny. Anyways, back to the regularly scheduled mocking.How to make truly evil female villains posted:-female characters tend to be deprived of agency and assumed more innocent. hell, Females Are More Innocent is as trope here, which is all about the distinct lack of truly evil female villains.
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# ? Jun 27, 2014 05:45 |
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"My characters do horrible things but I'm not gonna bother to say what they are."
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# ? Jun 28, 2014 07:01 |
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Took a peek at that link. Dude cares waaaay too much about us and is very insulted that we won't raid his blogspot in response to his bitching. But yeah, don't go there, it's just some boring spaz trying to start internet drama. Content: Checking up on my favorite thread, "Favorite Lines from Your Own Writing":
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# ? Jun 28, 2014 07:53 |
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Ratspeaker posted:Took a peek at that link. Dude cares waaaay too much about us and is very insulted that we won't raid his blogspot in response to his bitching. But yeah, don't go there, it's just some boring spaz trying to start internet drama. Oh god these are all amazing in their own ways, this is the greatest thread on tvtropes.
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# ? Jun 28, 2014 09:57 |
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Hey, that thread has shown me that Tropers don't just write sci-fi and fantasy. I saw historical fiction and a modern day high school comedy in there. I like this post: quote:I love how my style appears flat and no-nonsense, but is actually pretty witty and tongue-in-cheek:
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# ? Jun 28, 2014 17:36 |
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That wouldn't be too bad if the troper weren't so up his own arse about it.
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# ? Jun 28, 2014 18:03 |
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Flesnolk posted:That wouldn't be too bad if the troper weren't so up his own arse about it. It's the best thread because even the stuff that isn't laugh out loud terrible is surrounded by the most egotistical wrapping possible.
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# ? Jun 28, 2014 18:05 |
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If someone said that to me in real life I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be able to take them seriously. Is that what they were going for?
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# ? Jun 28, 2014 18:28 |
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Do they not have an edit button or something? Yes, that's what bothers me about that post.
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# ? Jun 28, 2014 19:13 |
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Moatman posted:Do they not have an edit button or something? It wouldn't surprise me. They do the whole twenty arrows pointing up thing because Fast Eddie thinks a quote button makes conversations unreadable. At least that's what he claims.
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# ? Jun 28, 2014 19:24 |
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IIRC they do have an edit button, and Eddie disabled quotes because he considers breaking up a post and responding to it point-by-point to be trolling.
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# ? Jun 28, 2014 19:37 |
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Arcsquad12 posted:That poo poo was funny. Anyways, back to the regularly scheduled mocking. What the hell is this poo poo? "I can't find motivations for my female villains. I found them for my male villains though. Those motivations for the first are because that's the way he is and the motivations for the second are because the first says so. These are both good, well thought out motivations that I can't seem to reproduce for women." It's ok for the men to be evil because that's just who they are, but the women can only be evil if they've been raped enough.
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# ? Jun 28, 2014 19:39 |
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Mods, please change my name to Xenotyrannus.
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# ? Jun 28, 2014 20:14 |
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TvTropes posted:Blue and Orange Morality
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# ? Jun 28, 2014 21:37 |
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Annointed posted:Why can't they say "Characters with morality incomprehensible to our own"? TvTropes Pleads the Fifth: Writing is Hard
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# ? Jun 28, 2014 22:08 |
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Note: I have prefered pronouns, if you're going to reference me, please say either Shub/Shubm/Shubs/Shubself in place of male pronouns.
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# ? Jun 29, 2014 00:20 |
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Soulcleaver posted:Note: I have prefered pronouns, if you're going to reference me, please say either Shub/Shubm/Shubs/Shubself in place of male pronouns. That troper spelled schlub wrong.
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# ? Jun 29, 2014 08:41 |
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Annointed posted:Why can't they say "Characters with morality incomprehensible to our own"? The need to work another irrelevant list of every time blue has been used with orange into their article.
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# ? Jun 29, 2014 08:53 |
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Just when you think you've hit rock-bottom, TVTropes throws you a shovel and orders you to keep digging. Here's the shovel: quote:Why can't they say "Characters with morality incomprehensible to our own"? Because they don't know what three of those words mean.
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# ? Jun 30, 2014 02:01 |
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How about Dagger?
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# ? Jun 30, 2014 02:04 |
quote:I have to vent. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/posts.php?discussion=kgpuujtb2vdxu4qdniq6mjto&page=2451#61253
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# ? Jun 30, 2014 05:31 |
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Morkyz posted:I have to vent. Not pictured: a My Little Pony avatar.
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# ? Jun 30, 2014 06:18 |
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Ninjasaurus posted:Not pictured: a My Little Pony avatar. You spoke too soon. Either way I find it hilarious that he hasn't considered all problems of Misandry resulted from the self imposed restrictions of the patriarchy. Basically it's the guys' fault for their own darn problems but nope, got to blame it on the women.
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Annointed posted:You spoke too soon. Either way I find it hilarious that he hasn't considered all problems of Misandry resulted from the self imposed restrictions of the patriarchy. Basically it's the guys' fault for their own darn problems but nope, got to blame it on the women. It's because people hear "patriarchy" and interpret it as "each individual man/boy/male has made an equal horrible contribution to the lovely state of things and all must feel ashamed and be punished therefor" (which from their point of view would be a reasonable thing to get kind of defensive about/take personally) when it really just means "men have been in charge of the public/political sphere for literally centuries if not millenia in the most influential nations and states of the world and therefore in general people of that gender have had a disproportionate effect on the lovely state of things" But yeah, it is pretty hilarious and short-sighted. (Sorry for the gross effort post )
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# ? Jun 30, 2014 16:02 |
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How can you post that without the proper accompanying music
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sweeperbravo posted:It's because people hear "patriarchy" and interpret it as "each individual man/boy/male has made an equal horrible contribution to the lovely state of things and all must feel ashamed and be punished therefor" (which from their point of view would be a reasonable thing to get kind of defensive about/take personally) when it really just means "men have been in charge of the public/political sphere for literally centuries if not millenia in the most influential nations and states of the world and therefore in general people of that gender have had a disproportionate effect on the lovely state of things" I don't know, I've always felt that attributing it to simple misinterpretation is too easy an answer, especially since I'm sure he's had this pointed out. I've always figured it was a form of identity protective cognition, because deep down they identify with the heterosexual masculine ideal and feel threatened by attacks on it as a class. My old boss was a self-admitted MRA, and I spent some time quizzing him and digging into it, and at one point he told me that he resented how women could be proud of childbirth, but men didn't have anything because the provider role was being taken away. The resentment is that masculinity as a concept is being attacked, combined with their own sense of inadequacy in their masculinity.
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# ? Jun 30, 2014 16:19 |
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Tropers are awful at analysis? That explains why the Game of Thrones YMMV pages uses 11 lines to tell us why two actors on the show are obviously gay for each other, six lines asking readers if a guy who rapes his daughters and sacrifices his sons to zombies is really that bad, and two lines exploring Stannis Baratheon's character. http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/YMMV/GameOfThrones
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Little Blackfly posted:I don't know, I've always felt that attributing it to simple misinterpretation is too easy an answer, especially since I'm sure he's had this pointed out. I've always figured it was a form of identity protective cognition, because deep down they identify with the heterosexual masculine ideal and feel threatened by attacks on it as a class. My old boss was a self-admitted MRA, and I spent some time quizzing him and digging into it, and at one point he told me that he resented how women could be proud of childbirth, but men didn't have anything because the provider role was being taken away. The resentment is that masculinity as a concept is being attacked, combined with their own sense of inadequacy in their masculinity. Interesting. I've known some folks who definitely fell under my definition though. Had a lengthy discussion with one semi-recently and weirdly we came to kind of an understanding of one another. It was doubly weird because the whole conversation took place in facebook comments on someone else's post. In his case it was because he'd been abused as a child by a female relative and resented that male victims are often overlooked and that women are assumed to be the victims, and the rest of us in the discussion tried to explain why that tends to happen (we weren't trying to justify it by any means, just explaining the reasons why it's even a thing that happens). But before that all came to the surface we had a patriarchy discussion where I had to lay it out like "You, individual dude, are not the patriarchy. You are not responsible for the behaviors, bad or good, of anyone but yourself, regardless of shared junk." I think he appreciated that because honestly "patriarchy" is a word that gets thrown around a lot in sexism discussion and I'm never quite sure who is using it right or wrong and who is hearing it right or wrong, so sometimes it's basically useless. Re: Actual tropers, the "favorite lines from your own writing" thread is my absolute favorite thread there. It's such a perfect distillation of the things I can laugh about that are on that site. I've come up with (what I think are) really good quotes/phrases I want to use in writing, but I just jot them down somewhere, and don't bother sharing them with people. Why? Because I understand that a quote loses meaning and punch when it's robbed of context. Even if you try to sum up the back story reallyefficentandquick and explain the characters having the interaction beforehand which some of the tropers seem to do, it doesn't actually help. It can't make anyone else care. How many tropers in that thread actually acknowledge anything anyone else has posted? When I last read it it was about 0. I can't fathom any of them actually read each other's writing, even the meagerest bits and bobs that get dragged through there. If they do, I mean, congrats and good for them for being a good sport, but I can't imagine they wouldn't have more fun just reading an actual good story.
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sweeperbravo posted:Interesting. I've known some folks who definitely fell under my definition though. Had a lengthy discussion with one semi-recently and weirdly we came to kind of an understanding of one another. It was doubly weird because the whole conversation took place in facebook comments on someone else's post. In his case it was because he'd been abused as a child by a female relative and resented that male victims are often overlooked and that women are assumed to be the victims, and the rest of us in the discussion tried to explain why that tends to happen (we weren't trying to justify it by any means, just explaining the reasons why it's even a thing that happens). But before that all came to the surface we had a patriarchy discussion where I had to lay it out like "You, individual dude, are not the patriarchy. You are not responsible for the behaviors, bad or good, of anyone but yourself, regardless of shared junk." I think he appreciated that because honestly "patriarchy" is a word that gets thrown around a lot in sexism discussion and I'm never quite sure who is using it right or wrong and who is hearing it right or wrong, so sometimes it's basically useless. The terms patriarchy, privilege, and feminism are all victims of the social media telephone game. That's how you go from the environment in which men dominate the social and political discourse to "everything bad in the world is the fault of penis-havers."
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Gimnbo posted:The terms patriarchy, privilege, and feminism are all victims of the social media telephone game. That's how you go from the environment in which men dominate the social and political discourse to "everything bad in the world is the fault of penis-havers." I really like the way you phrased this.
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sweeperbravo posted:Re: Actual tropers, the "favorite lines from your own writing" thread is my absolute favorite thread there. It's such a perfect distillation of the things I can laugh about that are on that site. quote:"Oh, and before anyone tries anything... do not, I repeat, do not mention Indiana Jones in this class. Ever. We may study magical artifacts here in arcanoarchaeology, but he and I are like apples and oranges. Moreover, and this is the important part, you are not being clever. No matter how obscure you think you're getting, I've heard it all and I'm drat sick of it. I don't even want you to think about him unless you can tell me who Dorian Belecamus is." "You are not clever", the author wrote in a rant he most likely thinks is itself soooooo clever.
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# ? Jun 30, 2014 22:20 |
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Indiana Jones tie-in novels are a level of nerdy I didn't know existed.
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# ? Jun 30, 2014 23:26 |
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The Vosgian Beast posted:Indiana Jones tie-in novels are a level of nerdy I didn't know existed. You're in the TVTropes thread. There is always another level.
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# ? Jun 30, 2014 23:29 |
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Penny Paper posted:Just when you think you've hit rock-bottom, TVTropes throws you a shovel and orders you to keep digging. Might want to rehost that. Amazing find though even for tvtropes.
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# ? Jul 1, 2014 01:20 |
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bucketmouse posted:Might want to rehost that. Amazing find though even for tvtropes. You don't need to rehost images already on an image hosting site.
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# ? Jul 1, 2014 01:22 |
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Annointed posted:You spoke too soon. Either way I find it hilarious that he hasn't considered all problems of Misandry resulted from the self imposed restrictions of the patriarchy. Basically it's the guys' fault for their own darn problems but nope, got to blame it on the women. It's never too soon to point out a Brony.
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http://dayd.wikia.com/wiki/DAYDverse_Wiki
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# ? Jul 2, 2014 00:26 |
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isn't this the one written by a cult leader?
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HapiMerchant posted:isn't this the one written by a cult leader? Yup. And, indeed, he did start a Harry Potter cult after his Lord of the Rings one fell through. And then tried to do the same thing with Supernatural, at which point that fandom, in a rare outburst of basic common sense, hounded him out.
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