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Dancing sovereign citizens need to be a thing.
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FrozenVent posted:Dancing sovereign citizens need to be a thing. She was very close to shimmying. Definitely had some moves.
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Jun 27, 2014 17:26
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William Munny posted:Today one of my clients received an open records request asking them to run a criminal history on a man because the requestor was considering dating the man long term and wanted to see if he was lying about his past... Besides, just because he has a bad past doesn't mean that things can't work out. She was a comely young woman and not without prospects. Therefore it was heartbreaking to her mother that she would enter into marriage with William Munny, a known thief and murderer, a man of notoriously vicious and intemperate disposition. When she died, it was not at his hands as her mother might have suspected, but of smallpox. That was 1878.
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Jun 27, 2014 18:48
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CaptainScraps posted:Every family law client intake-- woozle wuzzle posted:But he gave them to me! Everything wrong with me is his/her fault! Everything wrong with him/her is his/her fault! Everything wrong with everything is his/her fault! I deserve free money!!! I'll take a murder suspect over an average family law client any day.
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Jun 27, 2014 19:38
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A case of mine is going really badly, and my client said: "You know what, this case is a giant mess and it's one person's fault 100%" (I brace for impact, and start looking for our signed contract) "It's my fault. Had I done the right thing in the first place, none of this would have happened" I had to pinch myself to see if I was dreaming.
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Jun 27, 2014 19:51
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SlothBear posted:Everything wrong with me is his/her fault! Everything wrong with him/her is his/her fault! Everything wrong with everything is his/her fault! I deserve free money!!! Yep. My criminal clients thus far -- even those dealing with heavy weight -- are unfailingly polite, respectful, and easy to deal with. If there have been cases where we lost and the client was guilty, the criminal clients are understanding. My family law clients are animals. I hate them.
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Jun 27, 2014 20:12
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Weird question, and maybe inappropriate for a comedy forum, but are there any good free American case law databases similar to CanLII.org? I'm trying to look into conflict of law rules in some northern US states, but it seems to be mostly based on common law, and I have no idea where to look when it comes to US case law.
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Jun 27, 2014 20:39
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Google Scholar's not bad. It's far better for strange fact patterns than rules of law, but it's worth a look.
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Jun 27, 2014 20:59
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Arcturas posted:Google Scholar's not bad. It's far better for strange fact patterns than rules of law, but it's worth a look. Google Scholar is actually pretty good; the only complaint I have is that I can't do the classic "word within X words of another" search.
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Jun 27, 2014 21:12
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I was also going to respond with google, but held back out of shame. Thank you for being my Michael Sam.
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Jun 27, 2014 21:12
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If Google applied itself to putting together a proper headnoting and/or Shephardizing system they could probably do a wonderful job. But I think the available revenue models (subscription....and subscription?) are so different from their standard advertisement model that it's probably not worth it to Google to put the effort in.
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Jun 27, 2014 21:31
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Arcturas posted:If Google applied itself to putting together a proper headnoting and/or Shephardizing system they could probably do a wonderful job. But I think the available revenue models (subscription....and subscription?) are so different from their standard advertisement model that it's probably not worth it to Google to put the effort in. I just wish they'd "open" an API. I'd pay to have someone open source Shepard.
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Jun 27, 2014 21:51
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:Is it not just leave it in the judges signature basket? (Assuming it's an agreed order I guess) No, Judge told him to submit it under what we call the seven-day rule. Within seven days of the hearing, submit a proposed order and send a copy to the other side, along with notice that they have to object within seven days or the judge will sign it if it comports with his ruling. The other side, in this instance, was a pro per -- a family law pro per -- so good luck getting them to agree to ANYTHING.
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Jun 27, 2014 22:40
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Alaemon posted:No, Judge told him to submit it under what we call the seven-day rule. Within seven days of the hearing, submit a proposed order and send a copy to the other side, along with notice that they have to object within seven days or the judge will sign it if it comports with his ruling. Oh. Yeah, our convention is the same but with ten days. An attorney didn't know that? Jesus.
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Jun 28, 2014 00:38
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Roger_Mudd posted:I just wish they'd "open" an API. I'd pay to have someone open source Shepard. What's a basic texas only lexis or west law account run?
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Jun 28, 2014 00:39
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:What's a basic texas only lexis or west law account run? $40.00 a month for lexis. $60-90 for lexis. It's just the principle for me. Information wants to be free man!
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Jun 28, 2014 01:15
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Roger_Mudd posted:$40.00 a month for lexis. $60-90 for lexis. I've just always been curious. I get all access west law as part of my job, but I'd always imagined it cost a lot more than that. If Google makes an alternative to Shepard or key cite, we're going to see more sovereign citizens quoting insanity.
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Jun 28, 2014 01:25
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Arcturas posted:If Google applied itself to putting together a proper headnoting and/or Shephardizing system they could probably do a wonderful job. But I think the available revenue models (subscription....and subscription?) are so different from their standard advertisement model that it's probably not worth it to Google to put the effort in. What about targeting liquor ads to the search context? Patent law = fine wines and scotch. Family law = Old Crow and bulk vodka.
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Jun 28, 2014 02:39
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Hot Dog Day #91 posted:Oh. Yeah, our convention is the same but with ten days. An attorney didn't know that? Jesus. Not only didn't he know it, he couldn't figure it out after I gave him the citation for the rule.
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Jun 28, 2014 02:47
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Arcturas posted:Google Scholar's not bad. It's far better for strange fact patterns than rules of law, but it's worth a look. Thanks for this, worked perfectly. I had no idea google scholar had that feature.
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Jun 28, 2014 06:17
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Alaemon posted:Highlight of the week for me was dealing with an attorney who didn't know how to submit an order for the judge's signature. Even after I'd told him which court rule he needed to read. Awesome.
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Jun 28, 2014 13:43
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I'm off work for the next six weeks for paternity leave. Two observations: 1) This is the longest stretch of not having to go to work or school I've had since I was sixteen, and is the longest I'll have until my mid-to-late sixties. 2) It's Saturday, so technically not even the first day of my leave, and I already feel like I should be checking up on my cases.
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Jun 28, 2014 14:38
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It's good that you've already gained your absentee father skills. Some people take years to reach that level.
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Jun 28, 2014 15:04
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ulmont posted:Google Scholar is actually pretty good; the only complaint I have is that I can't do the classic "word within X words of another" search. x AROUND() y is supposed to do something like that, though it definitely doesn't work perfectly (or let you do precise control of the distance between x and y) and it's undocumented so it could disappear without warning.
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Jun 28, 2014 16:49
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i had to withdraw from a client's two federal lawsuits about a month ago. for one judge we needed to submit briefs + a motion and it was easy, but for the other i needed to attend a hearing that the client was ordered to show up to. the idea is that if duder doesn't show, the judge is satisfied that there's validity to the withdrawal request. so i go and the client - who has literally been completely rogue for two months - shows. the judge asks him during the hearing if he has any objection to our withdrawal and he says no. the judge asks him if he has anything else to say. he says: "i'd really just like to apologize to mr. [STARSHIP]. he worked hard on my case the whole time. i know he has a young family and i don't know how he makes money, but i can't pay his bills so i don't know if he will get paid either. i'm really sorry about everything and i want to apologize to this court, mr. [STARSHIP], and [PLAINTIFF'S COUNSEL]."
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Jun 28, 2014 20:32
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Did he wrap things up nicely by publicly committing seppuku?
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Jun 28, 2014 21:53
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ThirdPartyView posted:Did he wrap things up nicely by publicly committing seppuku? Perhaps it should just be legal to kill the person if they say such a thing in open court.
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Jun 29, 2014 02:03
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woozle wuzzle posted:A case of mine is going really badly, and my client said: I was gonna post that he's merely buttering you up for non-payment with this self-effacing pity party, but then Feces Starship posted and saved me the effort.
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Jun 30, 2014 03:20
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Unamuno posted:I was gonna post that he's merely buttering you up for non-payment with this self-effacing pity party, but then Feces Starship posted and saved me the effort. I'm a law whore: they gotta leave cash on the nightstand for me to do a drat thing. I don't bill for poo poo.
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Jun 30, 2014 04:18
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I hate that I need to pay bar dues to be inactive. I'm literally paying them for the privilege of not being allowed to do anything.
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Jun 30, 2014 18:35
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I'm half considering letting my second state license lapse because paying to be inactive AND their insane CLE requirements are getting old. It seems like a waste even so??
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Jun 30, 2014 18:40
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Also, lol.
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Jun 30, 2014 18:47
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A Game of Chess posted:I'm half considering letting my second state license lapse because paying to be inactive AND their insane CLE requirements are getting old. It seems like a waste even so?? I used to be licensed in both WI and MN. When I stopped practicing I went to inactive in WI and withdrew from MN. In WI I pay reduced dues and do not need to do CLEs. But in MN the CLEs were still required so I withdrew. There was no way I was keeping up on that for a state where it was unlikely I would ever practice.
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Jun 30, 2014 19:56
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quepasa18 posted:I used to be licensed in both WI and MN. When I stopped practicing I went to inactive in WI and withdrew from MN. In WI I pay reduced dues and do not need to do CLEs. But in MN the CLEs were still required so I withdrew. There was no way I was keeping up on that for a state where it was unlikely I would ever practice. The only reason I'm keeping it up right now is because I'm not sure where I'm going to end up after my clerkship's over. A lot of the local firms like candidates ot have licenses in both states, though I'm going to try to avoid private practice if at all possible. After I figure out my next career move I'm going to seriously consider letting it lapse though.
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Jun 30, 2014 20:09
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A Game of Chess posted:The only reason I'm keeping it up right now is because I'm not sure where I'm going to end up after my clerkship's over. A lot of the local firms like candidates ot have licenses in both states, though I'm going to try to avoid private practice if at all possible. After I figure out my next career move I'm going to seriously consider letting it lapse though. I got licensed in MN in the first place for that exact reason. I was clerking in WI but was open to going back to MN for the right job. So yeah, I think you are best keeping both. Or at least see what it would take to reactivate. In WI I just have to make sure I get all the CLEs for the two-year period in which I would become active again. In some states it is more burdensome. As it is, the only thing I ever did in MN was get someone admitted pro hac vice. I never even changed my name there when I got married like I did in WI.
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Arcturas posted:Also, lol. Jesus Christ. Things might soon be only as bad as when going to law school was a terrible idea. Enroll now!!!
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The best part is the guy posted a follow-up today after getting trashed on Above The Law. Above The Law trashed the follow-up later this afternoon.
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Jul 1, 2014 00:43
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It's not only attorneys that frustrate me, sometimes, it's other courts. So we got this case several months back on appeal. Like... February. Criminal conviction. Misdemeanor tresspass. As I start digging into it, I notice that there was a motion to dismiss filed, and no order ever entered afterwards. Ditto for a motion in limine. Naturally there's nothing in the record to reflect the ruling -- although since it went to trial, it's a safe bet that the motion to dismiss wasn't granted. Okay, so we remand back down to the lower court. Please enter these two orders and return to us for appeal. THREE MONTHS PASS. And the orders we get? "For the reasons stated on the record, motion is denied." On top of that, we get the record back but the lower court doesn't send us the form saying "hey, I sent you the whole record." So I tell the clerks to send the record back because we need the completed form to go with it. Today, we got the FORM back and the lower court kept the record. Seriously?
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Jul 1, 2014 04:42
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Speaking of Sovereign Citizens, some interesting things going on in Maine.Article posted:Why Did Maine's Governor Conspire With 'Sovereign Citizen' Extremists? http://talkingpointsmemo.com/muckraker/lepage-maine-sovereign-citizen
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Alaemon what exactly is your job?
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