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I'm really enjoying this show! Dalton/Green interactions are so much fun - you just know they're having a different conversation to the one we think they're having due to all the history. dorian feels like the weakest part of the show to me - it feels like he is just being used as a device for chaos.
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Jun 26, 2014 17:45
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Kazanir posted:It was a pendant of St. Jude, patron saint of the hopeless and of lost causes. His Latin incantation basically amounts to saying, "Saint Jude, blessed apostle, servant of Jesus, ________" (I can't make out the last few words well enough to translate.) Well also Brona gave it to him, and at that time he was obviously very reluctant to take it from her - I suppose partly because she's about to die of her illness but partly for reasons that are entirely his own. Grizzled Patriarch posted:I'm also a touch confused on Chandler's devil scene. It was just the devil using Chandler's appearance as a disguise, correct? Yes, and the viewer is also shown pretty bluntly that while Devil Ethan is chatting up Vanessa upstairs, Normal Ethan is sitting downstairs, oblivious.
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Jun 26, 2014 17:56
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WastedJoker posted:dorian feels like the weakest part of the show to me - it feels like he is just being used as a device for chaos. I hope they explore more of Dorian in Season 2 if not this season, though I'm content with him remaining a shadowy possible villain. Really, given what/who Dorian Gray is supposed to be, he wouldn't be the kind of guy to go out vampire hunting or monster-making or anything all that action-y. He'd more likely bang it and then take a hit of opium. I wanna see that portrait.
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Jun 26, 2014 19:31
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nutranurse posted:I wanna see that portrait. According to an interview with Reeve Carney the painting exists but he hasn't seen it yet which would mean it's probably coming in season 2
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Jun 26, 2014 19:54
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The recent ep was great, has been waiting for something like this. I wonder if mr Devil really is the same character as Mr Vamp, considering there was two of them... and they don't really seem to have much presence on their own. Mid-boss tier henchmen? Would seem like a fitting end to season 1 to have them finally kill the head vampire and then whelp, didn't beat/kill the Devil after all. (Assuming here that Mina's odds for survival are fairly low  )Basically, what will be the tie-in to season 2, other than presumably the same cast of "good guys"? Dorian, Caliban and Bronna are the only others, but they serve more as supporting characters for their respective counterpart in the main cast (well Dorian does more). There gotta be more to the baddies, right? I'm positively intrigued by how this can expand 
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Jun 26, 2014 21:17
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Pimpmust posted:The recent ep was great, has been waiting for something like this. I wonder if mr Devil really is the same character as Mr Vamp, considering there was two of them... and they don't really seem to have much presence on their own. Mid-boss tier henchmen? They have certainly set up Satan, who is the Devil, as an overarching antagonist. It certainly seems like he is trying to get Dracula (or whatever, representing Amon) to come together with medium/possessed-entity Vanessa (representing Amanuet) to bring about the end of the world, but it seems like other supernatural poo poo could easily be used as a plot driver with the same overarching theme in the next season, even if the vampires are dead. Meanwhile, didn't the preview for next week show some other probably-werewolves trying to intimidate Ethan? There are a bunch of unresolved plot hooks (Caliban/Brona, Mina Harker if she survives, Dorian doing something with his life, etc.) that will probably play larger roles in a Season 2.
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Jun 26, 2014 21:35
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Eh I started watching "300: Rise of an Empire" to get some more Eva Green, but boy do I dislike this fantasy-history-smorgasbord. Maybe I'll check out that Bertolucci-film next, Dreamers, or something. No more abs.
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Jun 26, 2014 22:48
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Kazanir posted:It was a pendant of St. Jude, patron saint of the hopeless and of lost causes. His Latin incantation basically amounts to saying, "Saint Jude, blessed apostle, servant of Jesus, ________" (I can't make out the last few words well enough to translate.) And it was the same pendant of Brona's that she gave him after he resolved to stick around her despite her worsening disease.
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Jun 26, 2014 22:54
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Ethan said he believed in everything but God, right? I took his doing the exorcism at the end to indicate that in his last moment of desperation he rediscovered/accepted his faith (I doubt the exorcism would have worked otherwise) or at least his hope - the fact that the pendant was the Patron Saint of Lost Causes just seems to further the idea that this was a last resort on his behalf. His backstory now looks less likely (though not impossible) to be the Wolfman and more like a fallen priest who lost his faith or otherwise was involved in some kind of scandal that forced him to flee America. The highlight of the episode for me was probably Ethan and Victor goofing around in the basement shooting guns till Momma Sembene came down and told them "Dad" was pissed  Also I was really hoping that Caliban was going to barrel his way in at some point to try and intimidate or moan at Victor only to realize just how in over his head he actually is.
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Jun 26, 2014 23:14
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Jerusalem posted:Ethan said he believed in everything but God, right? I took his doing the exorcism at the end to indicate that in his last moment of desperation he rediscovered/accepted his faith (I doubt the exorcism would have worked otherwise) or at least his hope - the fact that the pendant was the Patron Saint of Lost Causes just seems to further the idea that this was a last resort on his behalf. His backstory now looks less likely (though not impossible) to be the Wolfman and more like a fallen priest who lost his faith or otherwise was involved in some kind of scandal that forced him to flee America. But it would have been amazing if Caliban ran in to confront Victor just in time to see Vanessa doing some crazy devil-possessed action. "Uh, I'll talk to you later, Doctor," he says and slowly backs out of the house.
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Jun 27, 2014 00:50
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I don't think the Mina story is going to be resolved next episode. I'm assuming that it continues through next season because we haven't seen the characters (except Frankenstein) learn anything, really, about vampires. I believe we'll see Malcolm and Ethan (and maybe Frankie) go to Egypt to learn more about the weird hieroglyphic markings on the vampire corpse (and perhaps to try to exorcise Vanessa). Totally think Brona is dying next episode, though.
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Jun 27, 2014 01:21
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Mouse Dresser posted:I don't think the Mina story is going to be resolved next episode. All the more reason for the trek to Egypt then. Mouse Dresser posted:Totally think Brona is dying next episode, though. Honestly I can't wait for this, I have no doubt it's going to be awesomely corny and over the top. 
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Jun 27, 2014 01:26
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I can't wait for it to happen so that it loving happens already. I want to enjoy this show but it's such a slow burn for a short season. It seems like they use any excuse they can to pad out the episode. I may be the minority opinion, but man, this show needs to get on with it already.
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Jun 27, 2014 02:47
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Jun 27, 2014 05:48
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Mouse Dresser posted:I hope the closing shot is Frankie starting the process with dead Brona on the slab and Caliban standing there all And then he rips her in half when he finds out the horrible put-on Irish accent survived the process. "I MUST BE ABLE TO UNDERSTAND HER, DEMON!"
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Jun 27, 2014 07:05
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BIG HEADLINE posted:And then he rips her in half when he finds out the horrible put-on Irish accent survived the process. AHAHAHAHA This, this, a million times this.
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Jun 27, 2014 13:30
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BIG HEADLINE posted:And then he rips her in half when he finds out the horrible put-on Irish accent survived the process. hahahaha oh my god, please let this happen.
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Jun 27, 2014 19:12
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Jerusalem posted:Friendzonestein. Mods change my name to this, tia. Eva Green is so so so good in this. I just binged through all seven episodes and I'll be sad if there's only one more episode this season. Tim Dalton is also pretty good but a bit more understated. Also I was iffy on Josh Hartnett until his devil scene. Anyway I want more.
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Jun 28, 2014 00:36
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Skeesix posted:Mods change my name to this, tia. Honestly I think the show's biggest flaw is that the writing didn't give Hartnett enough to do / work with. His scenes with Brona are decent and the scene with the wolves was good, but his arguing with the rest of the cast about how they are behaving always felt forced and not like real tension. (I observe in light of the exorcism that he was always the one saying, "This is not right," when they did questionable or brutal stuff.) He really sold the hell out of both the devil and the exorcism scenes though. There was no  big enough for the feeling when he is just talking to her about Heaven and Hell and suddenly goes, "you might say it's where I was flung when your loving oval office OF A GOD CAST ME OUT!"
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Jun 28, 2014 01:21
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Finally had time to watch the latest. I love this show. The deployment of weapons-grade Romantic poetry would be enough, but the rest of it is just so perfect.
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Jun 28, 2014 03:00
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Kazanir posted:Honestly I think the show's biggest flaw is that the writing didn't give Hartnett enough to do / work with. His scenes with Brona are decent and the scene with the wolves was good, but his arguing with the rest of the cast about how they are behaving always felt forced and not like real tension. (I observe in light of the exorcism that he was always the one saying, "This is not right," when they did questionable or brutal stuff.) He really sold the hell out of both the devil and the exorcism scenes though. There was no I think the worst has been his scenes as himself with and about Vanessa. What is she to him? Why should we believe that he cares so much about her?
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Jun 28, 2014 12:41
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Skeesix posted:I think the worst has been his scenes as himself with and about Vanessa. What is she to him? Why should we believe that he cares so much about her? I think Ethan is just one of those old fashioned, chivalric guys. Remember that Vanessa is the one who approached him to join the group and she charmed him at that pub, so she was the one he trusted enough from the beginning. I think he's just protective of her in the same way he's protective of Brona.
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Jun 28, 2014 15:50
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Mouse Dresser posted:I think Ethan is just one of those old fashioned, chivalric guys. Remember that Vanessa is the one who approached him to join the group and she charmed him at that pub, so she was the one he trusted enough from the beginning. I think he's just protective of her in the same way he's protective of Brona. Yeah but he's more protective of her than brona!
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Jun 28, 2014 17:04
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Skeesix posted:Yeah but he's more protective of her than brona! Brona's not possessed by the devil, just TB.
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Jun 28, 2014 17:42
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nutranurse posted:Brona's not possessed by the devil, just TB. Seriously, Vanessa's whole hosed-up situation has to inspire a ton of sympathy and empathy from him if even half of the theories & conjecture about his own situation and backstory are true.
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Jun 29, 2014 07:51
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I was going to contradict that but y'know, Fates Worse Than Death are actually a big recurring theme in real penny dreadfuls.
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Jun 29, 2014 08:20
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Flesh Forge posted:I was going to contradict that but y'know, Fates Worse Than Death are actually a big recurring theme in real penny dreadfuls. This! The show has its issues but my god do they stay true to the themes of the source material. Desperation, poverty, death, lust...all the things polite society won't talk about.
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Jun 29, 2014 16:19
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Well that was cathartic.
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Jun 30, 2014 04:11
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Mouse Dresser posted:I hope the closing shot is Frankie starting the process with dead Brona on the slab and Caliban standing there all This was actually pretty close to how he actually looked.
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Jun 30, 2014 05:40
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What a great show. Every single one of the denouement scenes was great.
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Jun 30, 2014 06:42
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BIG HEADLINE posted:This was actually pretty close to how he actually looked. Nailed it. FINALLY. 
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BIG HEADLINE posted:This was actually pretty close to how he actually looked. It really was 
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Jun 30, 2014 08:08
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I love the hilarious juxtaposition of Caliban being this horrendous, menacing monster to Frankenstein, and to everyone else he's like the mild-mannered shy dude with a disfigured face that gets poo poo on all the time (because it's his fault).
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Jun 30, 2014 08:16
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What a shocking twist for totally normal human man Ethan Chandler... said nobody ever.
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Jun 30, 2014 08:22
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Sober posted:I love the hilarious juxtaposition of Caliban being this horrendous, menacing monster to Frankenstein, and to everyone else he's like the mild-mannered shy dude with a disfigured face that gets poo poo on all the time (because it's his fault). I do have to admit, early on when the hot female lead made the horrible mistake of giving him a pity forehead kiss, I was like, "NO, CALIBAN, THAT WAS A FRIENDLY KISS, DON'T READ INTO IT," and then he had to go and goon himself out. The makeup he used even made him look like a Frankenstein Chris-Chan. I do think they missed a chance to add in a great line before Ethan changed. Instead of "no, not a monkey," use "you two really chose the wrong night to gently caress with me," then the blood splatter and the pan up to the full moon. I do think it adds a decent plotline - what if Ethan's whole family are werewolves (or given the hoity-toity nature of the show, maybe Loups-Garoux), and that's why his father wants him back? BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 09:05 on Jun 30, 2014 |
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Jun 30, 2014 08:32
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What a god drat excellent show. Ethan's reveal was pretty obvious but man if it wasn't satisfying. I'm curious to see what literary figures make it into season 2. Maybe Jekyll and Hyde.
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Jun 30, 2014 08:36
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w00tuberjedi posted:Maybe Jekyll and Hyde. Given the amount of poo poo Frankenstein carries around with him, he's basically two-in-one in this regard. "One pill makes you laaaaarger, and one pill makes you smaaaaaullll..."
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Jun 30, 2014 08:39
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Calico Noose posted:What a shocking twist for totally normal human man Ethan Chandler... said nobody ever. To be fair, the thought hadn't crossed my mind the whole season, but it made perfect sense once it started happening. I may have squealed over a mancrush. This show is so great. Yes, it can be a little uneven in its pacing, but drat if it doesn't know exactly what it is and tries to milk that for everything it's worth.
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I enjoy weed references in all the media I consume so when the Lupine-American and Satan lady toked I was all . This show has grown on me since I started watching. At first I thought it wasn't going anywhere especially with all the boring Dorian scenes until I realized he's originally a character from The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen. It's pretty good if you like movies. I won't spoil anything but trust me it's going to be crazy. 
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