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Biff Rockgroin posted:What I find funny about the people like Crowder who are happy about the Hobby Lobby decision is that now it's likely that birth control might be subsidized by the government, so now THEY get to pay for it via taxes. They already would (and will) take our their wallet or checkbook and pony up directly to score rhetorical points and go 'heh, libs.' 
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Eric, son of Eric is dissapointed you didn't bite on his first tweet so now he's reminding everyone that this was actually a victory for slut shamers and people who think pregnancy is a punishment:quote:My religion trumps your "right" to employer subsidized consequence free sex.
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psychic chasms posted:If today's latest installment of scotusghazi has you down, just pop over to the National Review's Facebook page for some knee-slappers courtesy of their new Dees-esque photoshop pal:  Which was posted on Flickr back on August 28th, 2009 with the title "ms-13-mexican-gang-los-angeles". Please note the "Los Angeles" part, because that didn't stop the photo from being used in a scare article this month about Mexican gang members possibly coming into this country. Protip: You guys missed the boat, they've been here for at least four years now you fuckheads (and that's assuming they're not citizens, but it's not like the right cares about that distinction). Also those guys are not the children crossing the border, but you can't fearmonger very well if you use an actual picture like this:  Side note: If you can frame this issue in a Republican mindset, it is possible to change someone's opinion about this, it actually worked once for me: "God drat it they're risking everything to come to this country and make a life for themselves, that's that can-do American spirit that makes this the greatest loving country on earth. So welcome to America, we're a nation of immigrants; start teaching your kids English and apply for your Green Card/Citizenship as soon as you can, and enjoy your time here." It's not just Rush who can spin stuff. Disclaimer: This may only work in Hispanic Majority areas like San Antonio where Hispanics aren't seen as "scary". Also you have to acquiesce to the "learn English" talking point.
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Every time I hear anti immigrant sentiment I want to start talking about the crazy french immigrant lady I saw in new york harbor waving a torch.
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I'm also waiting to see if anti-Walmart sentiment, after being concisely explained as a company on foodstamps that's profiting massively from foodstamps, is going to gain any traction on the right.
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fade5 posted:Side note: If you can frame this issue in a Republican mindset, it is possible to change someone's opinion about this, it actually worked once for me: "God drat it they're risking everything to come to this country and make a life for themselves, that's that can-do American spirit that makes this the greatest loving country on earth. So welcome to America, we're a nation of immigrants; start teaching your kids English and apply for your Green Card/Citizenship as soon as you can, and enjoy your time here." "What you don't love America enough that you'd cross a fence to be here? Ok comrade..."
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fade5 posted:It's not just Rush who can spin stuff. I always play the "I admire these people because they remind me of my ancestors who fled religious persecution and my mother who escaped communist oppression" card. I'm about as whitebread as you can get, so it throws the xenophobes a curve when I use "admire" and connect contemporary immigrants to my pasty Euro heritage.
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fade5 posted:It's always interesting to reverse search cropped or photoshopped images to find their origin. My Google-fu finds that it's this image: http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/gheen-immigrants-may-smile-you-they-hand-you-your-cheeseburger-they-really-want-you-and-your Because apparently all Mexicans want to do is kill you and your WASP family because they are evil Communists.
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I don't know if any of that work, since anti-immigrant people are mainly operating off of pure xenophobia. Hell I don't even know how you explain someone like my conservative uncle, who complains about immigrants on Facebook but is married to a woman from India.
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Mantis42 posted:I don't know if any of that work, since anti-immigrant people are mainly operating off of pure xenophobia. Hell I don't even know how you explain someone like my conservative uncle, who complains about immigrants on Facebook but is married to a woman from India. He might be of the mind that his wife is "a good immigrant who actually tried to assimilate"? Where I live though there are plenty of rich Chinese and Indian engineers in Silicon Valley who are disgustingly racist and hate Mexicans and black people as much as your stereotypical redneck.
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fade5 posted:
Nah, works pretty well in New York. I use it all the time. You know, slow and contemplative-like.
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:He might be of the mind that his wife is "a good immigrant who actually tried to assimilate"? At least for China it's because they have a "light skin = good" complex as bad as any WASP has ever had. Also just in general it's perfectly logical for educated immigrants to oppose the immigration reform that's discussed because it's a bunch of poor people trying to get into the country.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:I'm also waiting to see if anti-Walmart sentiment, after being concisely explained as a company on foodstamps that's profiting massively from foodstamps, is going to gain any traction on the right. Unlikely. Walmart is just going after the opportunities wherever they are. We can't punish good business sense but if you really hate Walmart that much then you should help us vote food stamps out of existence because that would hurt Walmart's profits.
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So, in the aftermath of Alito's ejaculation, several right wing blogs have mentionedquote:Do yourself a favor: check to see whether the person that you’re arguing with on this subject knows that Hobby Lobby’s employee insurance plan included oral contraceptives. If s/he doesn’t believe that, bet them twenty dollars that you’re right; you might as well make money of the Left’s ignorance. Goodness knows the Democratic Establishment isn’t shy about doing just that. http://moelane.com/2014/06/30/hobby-lobby-scotusblog-elizabeth-warren/ I can't find confirmation of this at all, nor why it is in past tense.
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I imagine they had their health plan comply with the law until the case got resolved? It'd at least make sense.
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Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:So, in the aftermath of Alito's ejaculation, several right wing blogs have mentioned Hilariously enough, if I remember correctly, they even covered IUDs and possibly Plan B before the Obamacare overhaul actually. They looked at their books and saw that stuff and decided to squawk even though they had been paying for it for years. They just hadn't known it was in their plan. So, ironically, Obamacare's transparency with what's in your plan caused Hobby Lobby's moral outrage.
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Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:So, in the aftermath of Alito's ejaculation, several right wing blogs have mentioned  "the Left" be upset about that?
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sleepingbuddha posted:I immediately thought of this verse, which I have heard from conservative Christians as justification for owning guns. IIRC Jesus was knowingly fulfilling a prophecy where he had to get martyred in a particular manner(i.e. as a criminal/terrorist, hence swords). It's not a martyr complex if you really are dying for our sins. 
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Zuhzuhzombie!! posted:So, in the aftermath of Alito's ejaculation, several right wing blogs have mentioned HL's objection was to Plan B, not regular BC.
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So basically Hobby Lobby's objection to contraception only started with the black president?
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Pope Guilty posted:So basically Hobby Lobby's objection to contraception only started with the black president? Yeah I just don't see what HL hopes to gain by doing this. Unless they have so grand plan they are working towards. This is one of the weirder court cases when it comes to actual results.
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CharlestheHammer posted:Yeah I just don't see what HL hopes to gain by doing this. Unless they have so grand plan they are working towards. In all honesty supreme court cases against piles of inanimate objects have often resulted in greater changes.
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Nintendo Kid posted:In all honesty supreme court cases against piles of inanimate objects have often resulted in greater changes. A Book Named "John Cleland's Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure" v. Attorney General of Massachusetts
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Hazo posted:I'm not following. Why would Yeah, I'm confused too. Is the point supposed to be that Hobby Lobby supports contraception? If so, what the gently caress was the point of all this?
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Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:Steven Crowder decided to go off on a tweetathon re: Birth Control or as he calls it Abortion Care What kinds of 'feminist' gloats about loving over women's health care. Meanwhile, here's what some actual women have to say: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IStwVfygh9I Spacedad fucked around with this message at 06:37 on Jul 1, 2014 |
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Spacedad posted:Meanwhile, here's what some actual women have to say: Your mistake is that you are conflating two unrelated concepts: "women" and "people." You need to get someone who counts - think white and male, and preferably republican since everyone else is an illegal alien here for the free health care and to took are jobs - to take up your side of the argument.
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quote:RUSH: ... Now, at first blush -- and I read one of the preparatory pieces about the Hobby Lobby case, and it was in the Drive-By Media. And of course the point made about it was that even if the court ruled in favor of Hobby Lobby, it was going to be very, very narrow. It was not going to be earth-shattering, it was not gonna be landmark, because it was only gonna affect a few corporations, those corporations which are called "closely held." Those drat women! Only having to pay 9 dollars a month for all the sex they are having! 
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Spacedad posted:Meanwhile, here's what some actual women have to say: Here it is in case you want to see inside the mind of a true believer.  edit: Before "why are you friends": He's a good barometer of the religious right, through the lens of the Dunning-Kruger effect Also: Is it true this ruling will not affect people who want contraception coverage for non-BC reasons? Another pro-hobby lobby fb friend posted that and I don't know if it's true Hazo fucked around with this message at 07:19 on Jul 1, 2014 |
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The HL retirement plan investing in abortion has been known for a long rear end time and was exactly why I facepalmed when the court said they have a reasonable belief that association with someones insurance plan options can cause them to go to hell.
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Intel&Sebastian posted:The HL retirement plan investing in abortion has been known for a long rear end time and was exactly why I facepalmed when the court said they have a reasonable belief that association with someones insurance plan options can cause them to go to hell. Haha, I just googled this and had no idea that it was actually a thing. There is no morality in capitalism as long as it's hidden but mutual funds or something.
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Hazo posted:One of my facebook friends from high school (white, upper class, male, very catholic, engineer) who likes writing long drawn-out pseudo-intellectual essays on why it's impossible to be moral without being Christian, posted about the ruling, calling it common sense and a victory for religious freedom. Literally everyone who responded, male and female, called him out and he just kept farting out smokescreens and false analogies. It's hilarious when any given dime-a-dozen religious zealots think their wandering desert tribe of choice invented and has a monopoly on morality. Because clearly their morals were 'more moral' than the other tribes they slaughtered.  Religion trying to monopolize morality is of course one of the oldest con games in the book - religion claiming itself as the source of all morality is like Koch Industries trying to claim it's the source of all breathable air. It's accessible to us all, and up for all of us to figure out. Spacedad fucked around with this message at 09:34 on Jul 1, 2014 |
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Spacedad posted:Because clearly their morals were 'more moral' than the other tribes they slaughtered. That actually brought up a pretty sad memory of a Jewish Holocaust survivor, a touring speaker giving a chat at my school when I was little. When asked about the worst thing she personally saw, it was Nazis finding a newborn in the ghetto, then taking it by the ankles and smashing it dead against a building. It reminded me of a bible passage. Hazo posted:Here it is in case you want to see inside the mind of a true believer. Here's a badly-incomplete list, I got bored. Given the demographics of the USA, it'd be darkly comical to see a bunch of conservatives get turned down for: (lifestyle-induced) cholesterol issues, (lifestyle-induced) blood pressure issues, (lifestyle-induced) diabetes, boner medicine, STD treatments, (lifestyle-induced) dental trouble, falls in a shop while buying nonessential goods, recreational drug problems, heart attacks and strokes had during long TV sessions, injuries sustained after lecturing or bragging to an uppity ne'er-do-well, any problems had while desirously viewing a person/house/car/phone/etc, depression which responds to exercise/sunlight/diet, any fights not perfectly defensive in nature, any problems encountered outside the church during the hours of their church service, suicide attempts, issues while stealing (whether standard thievery/underpaying employees/undertipping servers/exploiting privilege for personal gain), feasibly-preventable traffic accidents, blah blah blah. Everyone who doesn't go to church at least three times a week while living a pious, healthful and non-profit lifestyle now has to skip medicine, I guess. Does he ever post in support of denying healthcare for anything related to that list? Outside of questioning from others related to him being a doofus wearing blindfolds? sweart gliwere fucked around with this message at 09:59 on Jul 1, 2014 |
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sweart gliwere posted:That actually brought up a pretty sad memory of a Jewish Holocaust survivor, a touring speaker giving a chat at my school when I was little. When asked about the worst thing she personally saw, it was Nazis finding a newborn in the ghetto, then taking it by the ankles and smashing it dead against a building. It reminded me of a bible passage. The nazis are why everyone should regard those who spout off about moral piety with contempt. We know down which road that way of thinking leads.
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Hobby Lobby objected to plan b & IUDs but the Supreme Court ruling is about the contraceptive mandate as a whole.
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moths posted:"What you don't love America enough that you'd cross a fence to be here? Ok comrade..." "I love America so much I'd follow the legal immigration process." *has no idea what this process actually entails or how impossible it is*
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That's got a great trap response, since you then get to school them on just how expensive and unobtainable citizenship actually is. Ellis Island is a museum for a reason.
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If hobby lobby's employees are having sex out of wedlock, are the owners going to hell by association? Because this is how asinine this ruling is.
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Have you seen my apex seals? I seem to have lost them.
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sweart gliwere posted:Everyone who doesn't go to church at least three times a week while living a pious, healthful and non-profit lifestyle now has to skip medicine, I guess. Does he ever post in support of denying healthcare for anything related to that list? Outside of questioning from others related to him being a doofus wearing blindfolds? Anyone know about whether the decision means HL still has to cover contraceptives for non-BC reasons, as my other acquaintance alleged? That would make this much less horrible but she's kind of a moron and I doubt she's correct. She dropped this little nugget yesterday, for example: 
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Hazo posted:You know the answer to this. He mainly just has a huge hard on for anti-choice arguments, especially after popping out two kids with his doting and submissive wife (one of whom suffered from serious complications following birth). Are we going to see nerds start being smug about not playing sports and then claiming that is a viable alternative to insurance covering injuries?
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