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Koramei posted:How is FDR perceived in Japan today? You don't really hear about him. By far the biggest figure bandied around here from that period is General MacArthur.
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Hashimoto wants to allow a semblance of discipline in classrooms. I guess a good idea can come from anywhere.
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Jun 28, 2014 04:24
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Yeah but then you get this followed literally days later by this.
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Jun 28, 2014 11:19
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Sheep posted:Yeah but then you get this followed literally days later by this.
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Jun 28, 2014 18:44
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Reverend Cheddar posted:You don't really hear about him. By far the biggest figure bandied around here from that period is General MacArthur. Do people in Japan actually call him the blue eyed shogun?
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Jun 28, 2014 18:46
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Sheep posted:Yeah but then you get this followed literally days later by this. And the assemblymen in Tokyo refusing to investigate further who abused that woman after the one rear end in a top hat took a fall.
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Jun 29, 2014 05:50
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I'm pretty surprised that no one posted about this: http://www.japantrends.com/man-self...abe-government/ Which happened because of this: http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/07/01/national/coalition-agrees-on-scrapping-pacifist-postwar-defense-policy/#.U7PZ8vmSySo Pretty glad I was in Chiba drinking too much at a barbecue and not loving around in Shinjuku to witness this.
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Jul 2, 2014 11:15
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 I like Abe's cute infographic. From what I can see, America has melted China and Korea into an amorphous blob, freeing Japan to return to its native berth in the South Pacific.
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Jul 2, 2014 13:13
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Randallteal posted:
It's more that Korea assumed its rightful place as one of the largest nations in the world by land area. This is one of Abe's favorite arguments- under the current (well, current until just now) setup, Japan can't to block missiles from North Korea targeting American forces.
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Jul 2, 2014 13:23
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The infographic is demonstrating that in case of hostilities on foreign soil, American forces apparently presently evacuate not only Americans but also Japanese citizens. Under the present arrangement, Japanese forces are unable to help in those rescue operations or protect those rescue operations while underway even if America requests protection from Japan. I like the North/South Korea nuclear war turning the peninsula into an amorphous blob version better though, honestly. Edit: actually I think the fallout has caused Japan to grow to immense size (compare it to America there) and what we're actually looking at on the left there is the southeastern portion of the Asian continent. Taiwan is being sat on by an American ship of some sort and Japan is making moves to reunite with the Brazilian-Japanese in South America. Sheep fucked around with this message at 13:42 on Jul 2, 2014 |
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Jul 2, 2014 13:35
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Sheep posted:The infographic is demonstrating that in case of hostilities on foreign soil, American forces apparently presently evacuate not only Americans but also Japanese citizens. Under the present arrangement, Japanese forces are unable to help in those rescue operations or protect those rescue operations while underway even if America requests protection from Japan. thanks for the correction. i just saw "attacking country" sending a missile at the american ship with japan blocked from doing and assumed it was the example i mentioned.
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Jul 2, 2014 13:43
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I actually saw the guy on the bridge shouting through his loudspeaker that day. I didn't stick around because I had places to be, but I had no idea he was going to set himself on fire. Dude had guts, but it's unfortunate the JP press has been pretty silent on the whole thing.
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Jul 2, 2014 15:31
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Sheep posted:The infographic is demonstrating that in case of hostilities on foreign soil, American forces apparently presently evacuate not only Americans but also Japanese citizens. Under the present arrangement, Japanese forces are unable to help in those rescue operations or protect those rescue operations while underway even if America requests protection from Japan. I don't know whether she's right, but even if this could theoretically occur, it seems like the Abe administration must have had to think pretty hard to come up with an example of something that was theoretically impossible under the existing interpretation of the constitution but that people would really think of as "self-defense". mystes fucked around with this message at 16:38 on Jul 2, 2014 |
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Jul 2, 2014 16:35
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mystes posted:Representative Kiyomi Tsujimoto (DPJ) has asserted that this scenario is completely fictitious and contrary to the US's policy. It's also dumb to play up this ind of issue, because it's obvious enough that these kind of scenarios aren't what's motivating the push for constitutional revision/reinterpretation.* *To be fair, they are important from the American perspective, hence the endorsement from the State Department, but Abe wanting to change the constitution has literally 0% to do with being able to better co-operate with America or whatever.
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Jul 2, 2014 16:42
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This "reinterpretation" business bugs me, but I guess using trickery to get around calling for a referendum over a very serious issue that should probably get a referendum is SOP for any politicians anywhere.
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Jul 2, 2014 17:09
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mystes posted:Representative Kiyomi Tsujimoto (DPJ) has asserted that this scenario is completely fictitious and contrary to the US's policy. I'm 100% with you on this, I was just translating the picture for those who can't read moonspeak.
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Jul 2, 2014 21:58
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The reinterpreting thing really made me laugh. My thoughts on it were that even after changing the law so that 18 year olds could vote on referendums, they probably ran the voter numbers and weighed public opinion and found that they'd still come up short. If they tried a vote and then it failed and then tried to reinterpret, they'd catch way more flack from the press and public. By attempting to reinterpret first they still left open the option for referendum. The whole thing still leaves a bad taste in my mouth though.
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Jul 3, 2014 00:55
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leather fedora posted:I actually saw the guy on the bridge shouting through his loudspeaker that day. I didn't stick around because I had places to be, but I had no idea he was going to set himself on fire. Dude had guts, but it's unfortunate the JP press has been pretty silent on the whole thing. Yeah, I asked my friend in Nagoya if he heard about it and he had no idea what I was talking about. Seeing as the guy is alive, I wonder if we'll hear from him in the future at all. My guess would be no. Edit: And of course it's not about any actual possible scenarios that could happen. It's about jerking off the right wing and giving big business contracts to Abe's buddies when the JSDF is inevitably increased in size. Dr.Radical fucked around with this message at 01:36 on Jul 3, 2014 |
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Jul 3, 2014 01:30
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Dr.Radical posted:Edit: And of course it's not about any actual possible scenarios that could happen. It's about jerking off the right wing and giving big business contracts to Abe's buddies when the JSDF is inevitably increased in size. I don't know if you're trolling, but Abe and his crew have been pushing for this for a decade at least. It's China's recent actions in the South China Sea against Vietnam and the Philippines that finally sold it.
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Jul 3, 2014 02:16
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Yeah abe's wanted this for a long time, but I don't think anybody was "sold" on anything. Polls are firmly in the "against reinterpretation" camp. He just gave up on an actual amendment to the constitution (which IIRC got him fired the last time around for trying to push it) and instead pushed through the reinterpretation without any referendums.
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Zo posted:Yeah abe's wanted this for a long time, but I don't think anybody was "sold" on anything. Polls are firmly in the "against reinterpretation" camp. He just gave up on an actual amendment to the constitution (which IIRC got him fired the last time around for trying to push it) and instead pushed through the reinterpretation without any referendums. You seem to be confusing the general public with the buyers in this post. 
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Jul 3, 2014 02:39
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Stringent posted:You seem to be confusing the general public with the buyers in this post. No, I was just talking about the general public. What are "buyers"?
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It's the same thing that's been going on forever. The current interpretation of Article 9 is waaay looser than it has been in the past, and by current I'm not talking about the changes Abe's looking to do, I'm talking about before the recent attention. And in this case public opinion is pretty lovely anyway. Japanese people want to bury their heads in the sand and jerk themselves off over being peaceful while at the same time they buy oil from Iran, Toyota technicals are ubiquitous in conflict zones throughout the world, etc. Even beyond regional defense issues vis a vis Chinese flexing their newfound ability to project power beyond their borders, simply from a humanitarian standpoint being a major industrialized economy affects the world through the flow of resources, and where there's money there's conflict. In a globalized economy pretending that your industries aren't at some level an exacerbating factor in conflicts throughout the world, then effectively refusing to substantially maintain the ability to potententially step in to mitigate in the case of a disaster caused by said conflicts is the height of isolationist arrogance.
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I don't see how him pushing it for a decade makes it any less about his right wing constituents or business.
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LimburgLimbo posted:It's the same thing that's been going on forever. The current interpretation of Article 9 is waaay looser than it has been in the past, and by current I'm not talking about the changes Abe's looking to do, I'm talking about before the recent attention. That's why I see this as a net positive, at least in the short term. Abe, for all his faults, seems to be pulling at least a few heads that matter out of the sand.
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Dr.Radical posted:I don't see how him pushing it for a decade makes it any less about his right wing constituents or business. He's been pushing it for ages because he is literally an ardent nationalist, not because there's some shadowy cabal pulling the strings. Most of "business" in Japan would love nothing more than to improve relations with China. dilbertschalter fucked around with this message at 06:10 on Jul 3, 2014 |
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Stringent posted:That's why I see this as a net positive, at least in the short term. Abe, for all his faults, seems to be pulling at least a few heads that matter out of the sand. Specifically the military aspect I also see as a net positive, but I sure as hell wish it wasn't Abe doing it, and other stuff he's doing, like that ridiculous secrets act, are definitely not for the good.
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LimburgLimbo posted:Specifically the military aspect I also see as a net positive, but I sure as hell wish it wasn't Abe doing it, and other stuff he's doing, like that ridiculous secrets act, are definitely not for the good. Immigration policy, TPP, women's rights (only 2 women on the cabinet???). These are all things he's showing every sign of wussing out on.
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dilbertschalter posted:He's been pushing it for ages because he is literally an ardent nationalist, not because there's some shadowy cabal pulling the strings. Most of "business" in Japan would love nothing more than to improve relations with China. I wasn't suggesting it as a "shadowy cabal". It's just politics as usual. You give big contracts to companies and people that support you, that's usually how it works. I'm not saying it's Abe's only reason for wanting to expand the military (in fact, I mentioned the right-wing thing) but it sure isn't a point against it.
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Stringent posted:Immigration policy, TPP, women's rights (only 2 women on the cabinet???). These are all things he's showing every sign of wussing out on. From my point of view these are all things that show he isn't wussing out. Immigration policy? That's standard conservative platform in Japan, but he's also built a policy to bring more money into the economy but basically left the door open to kick people out easily (He's said he wants people to live in Japan a few years and then go home). TPP? I imagine this is good for all the big biz's backs he is scratching, even though its making GBS threads all over the JA lobby. Wouldn't be surprised to find out JA isn't his biggest bank roller. Women's rights? In Japan's enviro, this issue affects no one of importance. Unless someone can show me that every woman voter in Japan is furious over the lackluster policies; otherwise, its business as usual. 'Wussing out' would imply that voters expected something more out of him, but he couldn't muster the balls to do it. That's not happening here, the voters aren't expecting very much on these issues.
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Kenishi posted:From my point of view these are all things that show he isn't wussing out. That's great, but I was referring specifically to policies Abe outlined as essential to his "third arrow".
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Jul 3, 2014 09:48
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leather fedora posted:I actually saw the guy on the bridge shouting through his loudspeaker that day. I didn't stick around because I had places to be, but I had no idea he was going to set himself on fire. Dude had guts, but it's unfortunate the JP press has been pretty silent on the whole thing. ITT, people who don't read Japanese newspapers. Seriously, this story was covered in every single major Japanese newspaper.
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Constitution chat is fun, but lets talk about the real issues. Misusing $30,000 worth of public funds going to onsen and poo poo, not proving receipts or documentation, and then being asked about it leads to the reasonable response of: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gviufzt7dgk Oh... I see.. umm.. can you tell us what kind of important measures you were discussing with regard to Japan's aging population at those onsen?
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ErIog posted:Constitution chat is fun, but lets talk about the real issues. Misusing $30,000 worth of public funds going to onsen and poo poo, not proving receipts or documentation, and then being asked about it leads to the reasonable response of: Either he's a terrible, terrible actor or else he really has that "petulant three-year-old escalating a fit to get mom to feel sorry for them, intensifying if mom gives that 'yeah right' look back" style tantrum down pat.
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Jul 3, 2014 16:23
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Reverend Cheddar posted:Either he's a terrible, terrible actor or else he really has that "petulant three-year-old escalating a fit to get mom to feel sorry for them, intensifying if mom gives that 'yeah right' look back" style tantrum down pat. Why not both!?
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It's truly majestic. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0yHD4RiWkuU
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Jul 3, 2014 19:35
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Womacks-JP-23 posted:ITT, people who don't read Japanese newspapers. And it should have made the evening news. It's an absolute travesty that it didn't.
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Jul 4, 2014 02:09
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Tbh that's how I picture all japanese polititians.
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Jul 4, 2014 02:34
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Zo posted:Tbh that's how I picture all japanese polititians. My wife is nodding in agreement. (Only the men though!)
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Lol: https://japan.careerengine.org/japantoday/job/view/company_id/3123/lang/en/job_id/96638#.U7ZLpI2SxR4quote:4. Skills and Abilities: Must be able to recognize and evaluate policy and market constraints hindering U.S. agricultural exports to Japan. Can suggest effective and coherent strategies for removing
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