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Bread Set Jettison posted:I like how spanish slivers are framentados In French, Slivers are called Slivoïdes. It doesn't mean anything (well the -oide is a suffix used in animal nomenclature).
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Zoness posted:Assuming that you do all this in the same turn, your number of turns from Ral Zarek are actually bounded since you only get one extra (with which you would use another +1) Ral activation every time you +1 with him. It's even possible to get 0 extra turns. Edit: Nevermind, I get it. Infinite 2/2s with haste when your opponent has no mana works though. Gensuki fucked around with this message at 22:35 on Jul 2, 2014 |
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Jul 2, 2014 22:32
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Gensuki posted:Couldn't you activate his ultimate multiple times in a turn, or does the flipping replace turns? Like 5 heads > 3 heads gives you 3 turns not 8? How would you ultimate him multiple times per turn? Each +1 Ral Zarek does untaps the Chain Veil once. The Chain Veil has to tap once for each time Ral Zarek +1's.
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Don't, in general, pay money for packs just to open them. It is always a bad deal, the same way as a slot machine is.Gensuki posted:Couldn't you activate his ultimate multiple times in a turn, or does the flipping replace turns? Like 5 heads > 3 heads gives you 3 turns not 8? As soon as he stops untapping the Chain Veil, you can't use his abilities anymore this turn.
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Jul 2, 2014 22:34
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Mortimer posted:What kinds of magic stores do you visit exactly? It was just a bit of fun and idle curiosity - I didn't expect to see Mtg at a dollar store. It was the first time I'd been to this place (again, a dollar store), and quite likely the last.
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So I was watching http://www.twitch.tv/mtgradio play EDH. He gets out Mana Echos + Grenzo then this happens.  And then 240+ mana gets pumped into Lavafume Invoker. 
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Rinkles posted:It was just a bit of fun and idle curiosity - I didn't expect to see Mtg at a dollar store. It was the first time I'd been to this place (again, a dollar store), and quite likely the last. Was it wrapped in foil like a regular booster? If it was and is from a current set I didn't know they made those anymore.
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Jul 2, 2014 22:50
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I imagine they'll clear up the confusion on The Chain Veil soon. I also imagine the wording on the actual card is so obtuse that it'll cause confusion for years no matter what the actual ruling is.
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I am a flavor nerd, and just found out each of the legends from the commander 2013 run has a little bio in the info pamphlet that comes with the decks. I don't want to spend $90 on the white, red, and green centered decks, but I was wondering if there was a place I could read the blurbs on-line? Also, are the red and green ones bad? They're the only ones I can still find anywhere... Marath and Prossh seemed pretty cool, Prossh especially since he can win in 3 swings?
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Jul 2, 2014 22:59
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Gensuki posted:I am a flavor nerd, and just found out each of the legends from the commander 2013 run has a little bio in the info pamphlet that comes with the decks. I don't want to spend $90 on the white, red, and green centered decks, but I was wondering if there was a place I could read the blurbs on-line? http://archive.wizards.com/Magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/ur/271
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BXCX posted:Was it wrapped in foil like a regular booster? If it was and is from a current set I didn't know they made those anymore. Nope. Repackaged in a clear packet, with the cards turned to show their backs on both sides. Out of the twenty, most were from M14, a few from the Zendikar block, a couple from Innistrad, there was an odd Lorwyn, and a pair with the old card face styling (Odyssey and Nemesis, if I remember my symbols correctly). One uncommon came from a Duel Decks reprint, I think.
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I just confirmed with Matt Tabak via Twitter that Nissa + Ral Zarek + Chain Veil is infinite. Of course this means that we need to goon construct the bestest RUG deck ever to durdle with!
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Thank you!
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Rinkles posted:Nope. Repackaged in a clear packet, with the cards turned to show their backs on both sides. Out of the twenty, most were from M14, a few from the Zendikar block, a couple from Innistrad, there was an odd Lorwyn, and a pair with the old card face styling (Odyssey and Nemesis, if I remember my symbols correctly). One uncommon came from a Duel Decks reprint, I think.  what the hell did you buy
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En Fuego posted:I just confirmed with Matt Tabak via Twitter that Nissa + Ral Zarek + Chain Veil is infinite. Of course this means that we need to goon construct the bestest RUG deck ever to durdle with! So is new Nissa better for that than Xenagos, or is it just that her mana is more reliable?
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En Fuego posted:I just confirmed with Matt Tabak via Twitter that Nissa + Ral Zarek + Chain Veil is infinite. Of course this means that we need to goon construct the bestest RUG deck ever to durdle with! Funny, since Riki Hayashi was trying to say it's not. Pretty sure Tabak wins that fight, though.
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Gensuki posted:So is new Nissa better for that than Xenagos, or is it just that her mana is more reliable? That was just the one I knew would work. I hadn't heard of the Xenagos way before I asked.
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En Fuego posted:I just confirmed with Matt Tabak via Twitter that Nissa + Ral Zarek + Chain Veil is infinite. Of course this means that we need to goon construct the bestest RUG deck ever to durdle with! Unfortunately there are basically zero cheap card filtering or cantrips in this Standard which is usually a hallmark of fun combo decks. I suppose its possible to slot it in as the kill condition in a five color deck that has some tutoring in it and a bunch of removal. I bet you could make a fun FNM deck at the very least. Gensuki posted:So is new Nissa better for that than Xenagos, or is it just that her mana is more reliable? Requires less pieces to combo off. The odds of rolling a zero on Ral seem lower than the odds of having a bigger and more fragile combo interrupted.
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Gensuki posted:Thank you! And the ones for the 2011 Commanders as well if you are interested. http://archive.wizards.com/Magic/magazine/article.aspx?x=mtg/daily/stf/148
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Mortimer posted:
Repacks. He bought repacks. Repacks are even shittier than boosters, never buy them.
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Jul 2, 2014 23:24
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Mortimer posted:
A great way to turn cards that buylist for .25 cents into 5 cents apiece!
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What a Judas posted:Funny, since Riki Hayashi was trying to say it's not. Riki Hayashi is a great Judge so I think it just goes to show how unclear the ability is as written.
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LordSaturn posted:Repacks. He bought repacks. Statistically, are they really a shittier deal?
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Rinkles posted:Statistically, are they really a shittier deal? They are how people sell the cards that are literally worthless. They take bulk cards bought at 5 dollars per 1000 and re-package them. An absolute scam. I will happily sell you 100 card repacks for a dollar each.
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Rinkles posted:Statistically, are they really a shittier deal? Repacks aren't really random, they're just an assortment of non-valuable cards.
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rabidsquid posted:Unfortunately there are basically zero cheap card filtering or cantrips in this Standard which is usually a hallmark of fun combo decks. I suppose its possible to slot it in as the kill condition in a five color deck that has some tutoring in it and a bunch of removal. the real problem is that Ral Zarek is a bad card to be playing in a deck. You shouldnt use bad cards to make a combo, especially one that doesnt win you the game on the spot
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Yes, because boosters can contain cards worth more than the cost of the booster, while repacks cannot, because why would you put that in a repack? They're a way to move unwantable commons and uncommons out of inventory by exploiting the same psychology that makes people play roulette. Buying them is giving money away to get cards you would never ask for. EDIT: Beaten as gently caress, but yeah, repacks are there to squeeze money out of little kids. Everyone with money should just buy the cards they want, and everyone without money should want cheaper cards.
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LordSaturn posted:Yes, because boosters can contain cards worth more than the cost of the booster, while repacks cannot, because why would you put that in a repack? That's not necessarily true. The best way to do repacks is to include a valuable card in a few of the packs. That way your eBay seller ratings have some guy posting "GREAT SELLER Ordered 3, opened an Underground Sea!" "GOT A KARAKAS ORDERING 5 MORE" The key is to sell so many of them that you get back 3-4x what the valuable cards were.
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What is the best way to buy bulk bulk? Like poo poo to mess around with, not a carefully selected card list of singles for your standard deck?
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Rinkles posted:What is the best way to buy bulk bulk? Like poo poo to mess around with, not a carefully selected card list of singles for your standard deck? Most LGS's have decent piles of bulk. Some places are pretty strict about "10 cent uncommons" or whatever but many places might sell bulk lots. Worst case scenario, I will happily mail you bulk cards from any recent set at 6 dollars per 1000 + shipping.
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Find a store with a commons/un-commons box and ask them what they're bulk rate is?
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Stinky Pit posted:That's not necessarily true. The best way to do repacks is to include a valuable card in a few of the packs. That way your eBay seller ratings have some guy posting "GREAT SELLER Ordered 3, opened an Underground Sea!" The key is actually to do the tiny amount of fraudulent legwork to get reviews like that attached to an account that does not actually send out those cards. Would you buy lotto tickets from ebay? Unregulated gambling is a bitch. Rinkles posted:What is the best way to buy bulk bulk? Like poo poo to mess around with, not a carefully selected card list of singles for your standard deck? Play sealed at prereleases, or draft. The EV on packs opened for limited isn't better, but you at least get a play experience out of them. You CAN buy regular fuckin' booster packs and crack them, as long as you know you're losing money. Repacks, though, are always a worse deal. Or just make a bunch of goofy lists on cockatrice and then go buy the cards for 'em. You'll at least end up with cards that you wanted at SOME point.
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Rinkles posted:What is the best way to buy bulk bulk? Like poo poo to mess around with, not a carefully selected card list of singles for your standard deck? I'm pretty happy with eBay's lot sales; within a couple months of a set's release you can generally get a 4x set of every common/uncommon for ~$30 shipped.
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LordSaturn posted:Or just make a bunch of goofy lists on cockatrice and then go buy the cards for 'em. You'll at least end up with cards that you wanted at SOME point. There's something I enjoy about creating a deck with what I'm given. That's why I was asking about cheap bulk (not relying on good rares). The repacks today were a $2 one-time caprice.
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Zoness posted:Assuming that you do all this in the same turn, your number of turns from Ral Zarek are actually bounded since you only get one extra (with which you would use another +1) Ral activation every time you +1 with him. It's even possible to get 0 extra turns. It's actually quite easy to continually chain turns. Say 2 coins come up heads. You've just gotten 2 extra turns. The next turn you activate Ral's ultimate again and 2 more coins come up heads. Now your total extra turns is 3. Repeat, etc. You can actually activate his ultimate twice each turn (with Chain Veil), so you'd actually have to hit multiple 0 out of 5 flips in a row to stop taking extra turns. But yeah, just use Xenagos' ultimate once to go over 4 creatures in play, then the next turn bring out infinite 2/2 satyrs with your infinite mana. Christmasland: T1 Mystic, T2 Mystic + Caryatid, T3 Xenagos +1 > Chainveil, T4 Ral Zarek + any 3-drop or below creature > infinite loyalty counters on both Planeswalkers > infinite turns. qbert fucked around with this message at 00:23 on Jul 3, 2014 |
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Rinkles posted:What is the best way to buy bulk bulk? Like poo poo to mess around with, not a carefully selected card list of singles for your standard deck? There may be some posters in our MtG Buy/Sell/Trade Thread who would be happy to send you piles of the bulkiest of their bulk for prices that are better than buylisting for them while still being cheap for you. Most retailers will buylist bulk commons/uncommons for around $2-5 per 1000. Fake edit: Posters like this who are good to trade with on the internets: Stinky Pit posted:Worst case scenario, I will happily mail you bulk cards from any recent set at 6 dollars per 1000 + shipping.
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If you're going to buy a big old pile of bulk, consider playing some wizard's tower with them.
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Snacksmaniac posted:Dollar store repack sealed would be a sick gp format. A GP with Fallen Empires/Homelands sealed.
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A big flaming stink posted:the real problem is that Ral Zarek is a bad card to be playing in a deck. You shouldnt use bad cards to make a combo, especially one that doesnt win you the game on the spot The Ral + Nissa + Chain Veil combo has a 96.875% chance of winning the game on the spot. It might be fun to slot into a Superfriends deck, although it certainly won't be the focus of any decks in this Standard.
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