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NESguerilla posted:Ah. Thought you were talking about the article.  says he's already lovingly crafted pornstache's backstory. EDIT: Dude should just sit and watch Lockdown for a while if he wants the kind of realism he's nosing around for (which doesn't count for much). Old Boot fucked around with this message at 11:34 on Jul 1, 2014 |
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NESguerilla posted:It's not really that at all, it's just a really dumb article. The top comment sums it up pretty well. Pretty much. I'm not even bothered for political reasons. It's just such an absurd request. "You know how this series takes place 95% inside a women's prison, and all but a small handful of characters are female prisoners or the overseeing staff? Well, I think they should introduce male prisoners in a different facility with a totally different cast, that cannot logically overlap with anything happening in the current show at all. An extended B-plot that has no organic relationship to any of the established characters or stories sounds great, and wouldn't totally kill momentum in any way." Just...come on, man. At least argue, "we need a new series like OitNB for men." Or, "OitNB should follow Mendez to men's prison, too." There are ways to frame this (still mostly terrible) argument that aren't...this garbage. This rotting garbage.
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Jul 1, 2014 12:31
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Mendez will get one of those ironic judges who sentences him to women's prison and it ends up being Litchfield.
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nooneofconsequence posted:Mendez will get one of those ironic judges who sentences him to women's prison and it ends up being Litchfield. Ugh, this sounds like the worst poo poo ever, but as much as I like this show, the loving writers are too "on the nose" with their social commentary.
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I really enjoyed Season 2. Sometimes I'll hear a line or two that reminds me of some of the dialogue in Weeds (ugh) but those are few and far between. Anyway my favorite moment was when Pennsatucky found out about the feminist lesbian agenda and decided she wanted in as long as she didn't have to do anything gay. Sephiroth_IRA fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Jul 1, 2014 |
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Jul 1, 2014 15:16
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Sephiroth_IRA posted:I really enjoyed Season 2. Sometimes I'll hear a line or two that reminds me of some of the dialogue in Weeds (ugh) but those are few and far between. That was one of the best "Boo is loving with someone" moments.
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Jul 1, 2014 15:20
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Add me to the list of the Daya/Bennett haters. And Nichols is my favorite character. But my fear for season three: I'm afraid they'll just return things to status quo. The last episode showed Caputo loving up, so they'll bring back Fig as the assistant warden, and bump Caputo back down to his position
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Jul 1, 2014 22:46
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So I decided to take this show on with free summer time, and I just finished Season 2 today. My overall thoughts are that, while the show rarely ends on a cliffhanger, it's so addictive. Also: 1. Larry is dead weight. Polly is okay except now they're equated. 2. Daya was mildly entertaining when feuding with her mom, but Daya/Beckett is also pretty unbearable whenever they're onscreen. 3. I can't believe I like Pennsatucky now. 4. I liked the look into the lives of the COs and admins this season. Now I'm just waiting for the show to implode Weeds-style.
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I watched the final couple episodes again as my girlfriend was catching up and it was funny seeing Crazy Eyes call her Pensalabama. 
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Jul 2, 2014 16:58
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Davros1 posted:I'm afraid they'll just return things to status quo. The last episode showed Caputo loving up, so they'll bring back Fig as the assistant warden, and bump Caputo back down to his position Caputois going to stay as the assistant warden, I don't think there's any way to bring Fig back. The idea was that he kept crowing about wanting to improve the prison and be a more honest assistant warden. Then the moment he gets his wish he realizes what a pile of poo poo that job is and just becomes Fig 2.0, minus the embezzling.
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Jul 2, 2014 19:04
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Max posted:Caputois going to stay as the assistant warden, I don't think there's any way to bring Fig back. The idea was that he kept crowing about wanting to improve the prison and be a more honest assistant warden. Then the moment he gets his wish he realizes what a pile of poo poo that job is and just becomes Fig 2.0, minus the embezzling. I don't know why everyone says this. Caputo isn't "Fig 2.0" by any stretch. The fact he isn't infallible doesn't mean he's actively corrupt. He genuinely cares about making the prison run well, and actually cares about the prisoners. The fact he's blindsided by Bennett telling him the truth about Daya is a totally normal response: "Goddammit, man, this is my second day." By contrast, Fig resented her position, and intentionally mismanaged it to embezzle funds for her husband's campaign. The embezzlement happened because she didn't care about the quality of life for prisoners. Caputo being flustered by extreme circumstance is not the same.
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I thought for sure that it was going to be the Jason Biggs father that put Piper into prison in the first place. I like the show, but the only thing that bothers me is that the show just kinda meanders without an overarching plot.
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Invalid Validation posted:I like the show, but the only thing that bothers me is that the show just kinda meanders without an overarching plot.
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Xealot posted:I don't know why everyone says this. Caputo isn't "Fig 2.0" by any stretch. The fact he isn't infallible doesn't mean he's actively corrupt. He genuinely cares about making the prison run well, and actually cares about the prisoners. The fact he's blindsided by Bennett telling him the truth about Daya is a totally normal response: "Goddammit, man, this is my second day." Being blindsided is rational response. Sweeping it under the rug is not, and is a tiny step in the direction of where Fig ended up. What I'm saying is that we saw Fig at the end of her tenure, where slashing the budget and in general removing herself emotionally from the prisoners she has to care for was just an everyday thing for her. Caputo isn't Fig 2.0 yet, but he probably will become something like her. I'd be willing to bet she approached the job the same way he did when she started. The idea being that the upper levels of prison management are designed to not really care about the prisoners they look after, as it would get in the way of their own job advancement to do so. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjzqO6UOPFQ Stroop There It Is posted:I thought the overarching plot was Vee's takeover. I can see how one may think that it was still meandering, because she sort of shot herself in the foot with her machinations. No one person was really responsible for what happened to her. Max fucked around with this message at 20:42 on Jul 2, 2014 |
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Jul 2, 2014 20:38
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Caputo was still on probation, and given all the poo poo that went down during the finale during his watch, having Bennett come clean would've probably ended his trial period by the warden, if it hasn't already. Fig only gave the image she cared about the quality of life of the prisoners. Caputo actually seems like he has good intentions but at the same time probably knows he can't play everything by the book anymore if he wants to keep his job and do what he set out to do.
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Jul 2, 2014 20:43
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I think Caputo's story is going to end with someone catching him hu-whacking off in his office, because that is how much these writers telegraph their moves
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ElGroucho posted:I think Caputo's story is going to end with someone catching him hu-whacking off in his office, because that is how much these writers telegraph their moves Every time he does that without even locking his door I cringe. Lock your loving door, man. It's wanking 101.
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Jul 3, 2014 06:54
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Max posted:That was one of the best "Boo is loving with someone" moments. That scene was hilarious when you see Boo's face as she realizes that there is someone that stupid in this world.
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Jul 3, 2014 14:46
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My main concern came from the episode where Red got slocked. After nearly choking Vee to death Red slumps back and has a realization that she almost killed someone so she could sell petty stuff to inmates... Except the whole goddamn reason Red got to the point of killing Vee is because she was explicitly smuggling in heroin, putting the entire prison (and Nicky specifically) at risk. It seemed like an odd moment for Red to forget her principles.
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Jul 3, 2014 15:03
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Yeah but at some points you have to stop and be selfish and think about what it would do to YOU
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Jul 3, 2014 15:59
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I thought it was particularly funny that, after all the poo poo Vee did, it was being a miserable bitch to a woman with cancer that ended up getting her killed.
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Millions posted:My main concern came from the episode where Red got slocked. After nearly choking Vee to death Red slumps back and has a realization that she almost killed someone so she could sell petty stuff to inmates... Except the whole goddamn reason Red got to the point of killing Vee is because she was explicitly smuggling in heroin, putting the entire prison (and Nicky specifically) at risk. It seemed like an odd moment for Red to forget her principles. Red has always punished people indirectly. Either by not allowing them to eat, cutting them out of the group, or getting them to get fired/arrested. Physically assaulting someone and killing them with her bare hands was not something she was used to. PT6A posted:I thought it was particularly funny that, after all the poo poo Vee did, it was being a miserable bitch to a woman with cancer that ended up getting her killed. Every time she pushed Rosa's buttons, I kept thinking "why would you antagonize the terminal cancer patient with a violent past." That just seems like a dumb move all around. Max fucked around with this message at 16:33 on Jul 3, 2014 |
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Max posted:Every time she pushed Rosa's buttons, I kept thinking "why would you antagonize the terminal cancer patient with a violent past." That just seems like a dumb move all around. She simply didn't know about her past. Did we actually ever get it confirmed that Rosa went into detail with anyone about her past beyond the kid?
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Xoidanor posted:She simply didn't know about her past. Did we actually ever get it confirmed that Rosa went into detail with anyone about her past beyond the kid? She robbed a few banks, with guns. I'm not sure violent past is right. But no she hasn't told anyone that we know of
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I recently started on this show after having it recommended to me, but gave up after about 6 episodes. It began to get really hokey, and character arcs seemed really contrived. Does it improve by any chance, maybe finding some better content in season 2? For what it's worth, I also gave up on Weeds before the final season for similar reasons. Is there any reason to stick with it at this point?
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DarkLich posted:I recently started on this show after having it recommended to me, but gave up after about 6 episodes. It began to get really hokey, and character arcs seemed really contrived. Does it improve by any chance, maybe finding some better content in season 2? No, honestly, this Koji lady seems to really be hit or miss with most people, things are played way too obviously as DRAMEDY I only put up with it for Chola Time and Old Lady Crew
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DarkLich posted:Is there any reason to stick with it at this point? I normally give a show only 4 episodes to prove itself, so if it's still not clicking for you after 6, don't beat yourself up for moving on to something else. (And I'm a super huge fan of the show!)
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"I'm not an Alcoholic, I'm Australian" has to be the best one-liner of the season.
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Seph posted:"I'm not an Alcoholic, I'm Australian" has to be the best one-liner of the season. Can confirm this is a much uttered statement in Australia
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Jul 7, 2014 01:24
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Another example of how much the writer's show their hand during this series. Both that awful Australian guy and the scum-bum brother only exist so that Larry, even if he is a whiny little oval office, looks so much better comparatively.
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Jul 7, 2014 03:25
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Jul 7, 2014 04:55
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Larry looks awesome, if a bit irresponsible. But his wife probably knew that and just expected him to change because of a baby..
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ElGroucho posted:Another example of how much the writer's show their hand during this series. Both that awful Australian guy and the scum-bum brother only exist so that Larry, even if he is a whiny little oval office, looks so much better comparatively. Piper's brother is the most likeable male in the show by a wide, wiiiiide margin.
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Steve2911 posted:Piper's brother is the most likeable male in the show by a wide, wiiiiide margin. Yeah, by leaps and bounds. Even him hijacking that funeral came off as charming.
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PostNouveau posted:Yeah, by leaps and bounds. Even him hijacking that funeral came off as charming. Really? I was cringing the whole time..
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Charming? Sure. Would I have told him to get out if I were there? In a heartbeat.
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Babygravy posted:Larry looks awesome, if a bit irresponsible. But his wife probably knew that and just expected him to change because of a baby.. You mean the Aussie, right? Because Larry is the shithead fiance who ditched Piper for her married new-mother of a best friend and they are basically the only characters next to which Piper looks pretty cool by comparison. Sure the Aussie is a bit irresponsible and stand-offish, but he's never done anything offensively heinous. Running off wasn't cool, but his wife cheating on him and leaving him and most likely giving him little to no custody of his child while expecting child support is way less cool.
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Best lines of the season: "You look like the gay Edge!" "It's full of Fleet Foxes and poo poo" "You don't go Jessica Simpson when you got Rihanna" "We’re demonstrating aggressive aggression.” and I don't remember the wording but Larry bragging about being in IDF kids program Alex dropping a reference to Pynchon out of nowhere was peak Alex  Can't wait for Flaca goth girl days flashback. And I know that "why is [inmate] not in max" questions are a mainstay of OITNB discussions, but, seriously, why is Suzanne not in a mental institution. Of course the answer is always "American Prison System", but the staff is not even concerned that they have a loudly ticking bomb under them.
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fatherboxx posted:And I know that "why is [inmate] not in max" questions are a mainstay of OITNB discussions, but, seriously, why is Suzanne not in a mental institution. Of course the answer is always "American Prison System", but the staff is not even concerned that they have a loudly ticking bomb under them. Yeah, I can't speak for the Feds, but on a state level prisons have, by and large, become privatized for-profit institutions. I was reading up on this about a year ago when California prisoners were pulling a hunger strike, and a few reporters went in and learned some things. The most striking thing for me was that, not only is American prison almost specifically designed to drive even a healthy person batshit, the care available to the truly mentally ill is astoundingly horrible. The vignette that stuck out was a bunch of men, all of whom needed counseling. What they got was a therapist in a folding chair in the middle of the hallway for group sessions once in a while while all of them remained sequestered individually in their cells. Cells, by the way? Cinder block walls, with very very tight grates for doors. So, yeah. Suzanne is in genpop because nobody gives shits.
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