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Please make sure to remind your neo-Confederate Facebook acquaintances that today is the day George Meade and the Army of the Potomac sent Robert E. Lee and the (surviving ~2/3 of the) Army of Northern Virginia limping and bleeding back to Virginia, just in time for U.S. Grant to capture Vicksburg tomorrow and give a big old double-fisted gently caress YOU to the southern dream of a despotic slave empire. "The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced." -President Abraham Lincoln Here's a few pics for you to share also.  
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I actually love dudes who wave around the Confederate flag. It's a great reminder of what happened the last time the South rose up, when we wrecked the gently caress out of Richmond and had Congressional debates over whether or not to just raze and redraw the South and put all of its remaining white inhabitants to hard labor.
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McDowell posted:Kennedy ran on a hawkish line compared to Nixon in 1960, perhaps Nixon never would have placed the missiles in Turkey that caused the Soviets to send missiles to Cuba. Except that the missiles were placed in Turkey as part of a 1959 deal made by the Eisenhower administration. As to Kennedy's hawkishness, it didn't impress Khruschev at all, which the conventional wisdom says emboldened Khruschev to escalate via Berlin and Cuba. Conventional wisdom in conservative circles is that Nixon impressed Khruschev so much in the Kitchen debates that he would have rolled back Soviet expansion all across the globe, and if you believe that I have a secret plan to end the Vietnam War to sell you. The reality is that the Bay of Pigs was likely going to happen no matter who was president in 1960 and the missiles in Turkey were a done deal. Where the rubber meets the road is that Kennedy successfully navigated the Berlin Wall crisis and the Cuban Missile Crisis without setting off WW3, a trick that only looks more and more impressive with the passage of time.
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Jul 3, 2014 19:36
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AhhYes posted:Speaking of nativism, FOX rips off the Bioshock Infinite logo for a "Defending the Homeland" piece. Irony abounds. Aw, you can't not post the gif along with it! 
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Jul 3, 2014 19:46
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Monkey Fracas posted:Aw, you can't not post the gif along with it! There's always a lighthouse. There's always a man. There's always a city. In this scenario is NYC in the sky above the statue or in the sea below it?
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Jul 3, 2014 19:48
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Climate change is real! The Day After Tomorrow is TOMORROW! Serious thought: Someone should use this not only to point out the Bioshock connection but also state that this is Fox News admitting climate change is real. Tea Partiers will push even harder against that liberal news station Fox.
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Jul 3, 2014 19:51
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loquacius posted:There's always a lighthouse. There's always a man. There's always a city. Hidden by the Smog/Nuclear Mushroom Cloud (pick one) behind the statue.
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I’m absolutely serious.quote:No politician wants to be compared to Richard Nixon, but
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Shifty Pony posted:When visiting home in SC I notice that to a large extent "loving lazy blacks" racism has been replaced with "goddamn illegal Mexicans" racism. I've even seen them try to use the latter to retroactively erase the former, as in "the blacks wouldn't be so poor if it weren't for those goddamn illegal Mexicans!"
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Nonsense posted:None the less That seems a bit overboard.
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at the idea of requiring sources to find just cause in destroying Comcast as a business and summarily executing all of their executives.
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There is a great article on Libertarians and An-Cap style anarchists today in the post. It's about a "Gathering of the Juggalos" style event held by the New Hampshire "Free State Project" called The Procupine Freedom Festival The name comes from the idea of minding your own business (like the timid porcupine, or whatever) but defending yourself when provoked. Some Choice quotes: quote:This is the libertarian version of Burning Man., where a kumbaya discussion around the campfire goes something like this: Starts off pretty well with a complete, and willful, misunderstanding of taxes. quote:Once a year for the past 11 years, this campground in the northern part of the Granite State turns into a libertarian utopia. And this year, roughly 2,000 people — mostly white men — have paid between $45 and $100 to experience for one week what life would be like without the onerous mechanisms of laws, if the market ruled to the exclusion of all else. No surprise there. quote:There’s a kid having a bad trip in the bathroom, and in this hectic, anti-hierarchical festival, Eyre is the closest thing to an authority figure around. quote:Two girls huffing nitrous oxide from a balloon and a guy holding a needle come by. The guy with the needle says he has a chemical mixture that if injected will lessen the effects of hallucinogens. “I have the solution right in my hands,” he says. Eyre decides it’s a bad idea to inject the longhaired guy with a mystery drug — even if it could work in theory — and says he won’t allow it to happen.  quote:Anyone can act as a de facto security guard here, but members of the “Church of the Sword” — a group from Manchester that doesn’t focus much on worship but does start its meetings with a “ritual of combat” involving foam swords — constitute the only organized group. LARPing group providing security... quote:At an adjacent tent, a guy discusses the benefits of a paleo diet. If you stay healthy enough, he says, perhaps you can live long enough to make it to the “singularity” where you can live forever by tapping into artificial intelligence. Eat like a caveman, he says, so you can live long enough to become a robot. This is really the most poignant way of describing Libertarians and their I've ever read. The whole article is well worth the read, just full of absolute insanity and hypocrisy. The best part is when they talk about the literal "free market" in the center of the camp and how even the "live free of die" An-Caps end up enforcing rules for the good of their "free society". I can't help up wish I were rich enough to crash the gently caress out of this party. Move in with a literal security force and just gently caress with everyone. Buy out everyone's inventory, use my security to push out the other groups or just straight up buy out the other guys. Ruin everything they love about the even with the letter of the law and in direct opposition to the spirit of it.
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Jul 3, 2014 20:19
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More like "irrational with a facade of analytics"
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Jul 3, 2014 20:32
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It's kind of awkward that a symbol for freedom and liberty is also a symbol for mass immigration.
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Jul 3, 2014 20:37
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I'm certain I read this same article not long after he lost and it talked about a comeback and how he could pull a Nixon and shouldn't be discounted because Nixon came back so Mitt could too. I love the idea that after 4 years of trying to find someone new, the GOP could just throw up their hands and go with Mitt again because their other options are people like Ted Cruz.
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Jul 3, 2014 20:39
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freedom and liberty are also synonymous with opportunity.
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I wouldn't be able to take four years of Ann Romney's sense of self-satisfaction.
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Crain posted:At an adjacent tent, a guy discusses the benefits of a paleo diet. If you stay healthy enough, he says, perhaps you can live long enough to make it to the “singularity” where you can live forever by tapping into artificial intelligence. Eat like a caveman, he says, so you can live long enough to become a robot. But pretty much every thinker who argues the singularity is nearly at hand is quite happy to use any and all medical stuff to stay healthy. Ray Kurzweil takes dozens of pills every day. I can't speak to whether it's a good idea or not, but you guys are happy becoming robots but not happy manipulating your body?
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LaughMyselfTo posted:I've even seen them try to use the latter to retroactively erase the former, as in "the blacks wouldn't be so poor if it weren't for those goddamn illegal Mexicans!" Nevermind South Carolina. I live in Harlingen TX, which is almost as close as you can get to being the southernmost city in the contiguous US, and 70-80% of the population is Hispanic. I frequently hear from my 63 year old white father about how we 'basically live in Mexico'. He calls bad drivers 'stupid Mexicans', frequently jokes about settling down with a 'fat Mexican maid', and is not hesitant to give the rest of his family an earful on how illegal immigrants are taking advantage of the United States. He's lived in Harlingen for 40 years. At the same time, my 15 yo sister thinks she'd rather live in a city with black people than a city with Mexicans (she doesn't have a problem with 'normal Mexicans', she says), and my 23 year old sister believes that Beyonce is a Devil worshipper and has told me that black pussies are gross. The only person in my immediate family that isn't racist is my eldest sister, and she's edging into Tumblr SJW bullshit. The opinions of people like my father and sisters are why towns like Harlingen have a poverty rate of over 25%. Despite not identifying as Republicans, they typify everything that's wrong with the GOP, Tea Party, Libertarians, even the Democrats. Human society is more comfortable with being derisive than it is with improving society, and it's turning us all loving insane. ugh, sorry for the E/N post. That poverty graph just hit a nerve.
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Crain posted:The whole article is well worth the read, just full of absolute insanity and hypocrisy. The best part is when they talk about the literal "free market" in the center of the camp and how even the "live free of die" An-Caps end up enforcing rules for the good of their "free society". I can't help up wish I were rich enough to crash the gently caress out of this party. Move in with a literal security force and just gently caress with everyone. Buy out everyone's inventory, use my security to push out the other groups or just straight up buy out the other guys. Ruin everything they love about the even with the letter of the law and in direct opposition to the spirit of it. For twenty thousand dollars, you could probably make a lot of grown men cry.
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loquacius posted:There's always a lighthouse. There's always a man. There's always a city. Why not both? Alkydere posted:Hidden by the Smog/Nuclear Mushroom Cloud (pick one) behind the statue. WHY NOT BOTH? Mister Adequate posted:But pretty much every thinker who argues the singularity is nearly at hand is quite happy to use any and all medical stuff to stay healthy. Ray Kurzweil takes dozens of pills every day. I can't speak to whether it's a good idea or not, but you guys are happy becoming robots but not happy manipulating your body? He's probably referring to the "Paleo" or "Caveman" diet, a recent, relatively popular and, of course, quite stupid dieting craze.
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Don't they know he's a TERRIBLE candidate?
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amanasleep posted:Except that the missiles were placed in Turkey as part of a 1959 deal made by the Eisenhower administration. Historical what-if's are a good time. Thanks for looking into the Turkey Missile deal. But hey, if WW3 happened in 1960 it would just be a bad memory today 
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mcmagic posted:Don't they know he's a TERRIBLE candidate? Keep in mind that their alternatives include several governors under active investigation and Rand Paul.
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Horking Delight posted:For twenty thousand dollars, you could probably make a lot of grown men cry. Sounds like next years event needs a DnD meetup.
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Mister Adequate posted:But pretty much every thinker who argues the singularity is nearly at hand is quite happy to use any and all medical stuff to stay healthy. Ray Kurzweil takes dozens of pills every day. I can't speak to whether it's a good idea or not, but you guys are happy becoming robots but not happy manipulating your body? Why manipulate it when you can just replace it with something better?
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It makes no sense why 'eating like' an early human would be healthy at all as their lifespans weren't long and they still suffered from things like diabetes.
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Berke Negri posted:It makes no sense why 'eating like' an early human would be healthy at all as their lifespans weren't long and they still suffered from things like diabetes. The logic, as far as I understand it, is more or less that some modern processed foods are very bad for you (high fructose corn syrup, artificial sweeteners, deep fried anything, etc.)so all processed foods are bad for you. The other side of the logic is that humans weren't designed to handle food the way we eat it now. Avoiding some of the garbage we shovel down our throats these days is fine but these people are taking it to an insane extreme. I can understand things like "we should probably drink less soda and eat fewer french fries" but raw foodism is taking it way too far. The other side of it is that pasteurization is a nearly magical procedure that makes food significantly less likely to be contaminated and kill you. What they're failing to realize is that, before things like cooking were invented, there were a lot of things that were parasite or disease riddled messes that we couldn't eat if we wanted to not die. A bit of food processing can make something dangerous otherwise safe to eat or, you know, preserve food longer than a few hours or days. The human digestive system is also extremely adaptable and you can survive off of quite a wide variety of diets. Some might kill you faster than others but humans can eat drat near anything. Short of it is, some people are just really goddamned stupid. ToxicSlurpee fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Jul 3, 2014 |
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The NYSE topped 17k, S & P almost to 2k. Gold, oil and silver all dropped today. Happy Fourth of July  Berke Negri posted:It makes no sense why 'eating like' an early human would be healthy at all as their lifespans weren't long and they still suffered from things like diabetes. Eating like a person who lived to be 18 is still better than eating what Mrs. Obummer tells you to eat, which is hearth healthy grains and avoid saturated fat.
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Berke Negri posted:It makes no sense why 'eating like' an early human would be healthy at all as their lifespans weren't long and they still suffered from things like diabetes. Paleo 'works' because it boils down to 'eat lean meat and lots of vegetables and stop eating fat starchy bullshit you loving blob.' Raw foodism is stupid and its own offshoot. (I don't actually do paleo, I just know a bit about it because my brother adores it. I like bread.) Magres fucked around with this message at 21:46 on Jul 3, 2014 |
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The thing about paleo is that, to the extent that it works (only sometimes and sort of), it's in spite of its horrible caveman wrappings. Like Magres hints at, the metaphor/rationale gets overextended by the idiots that promote the diet, resulting in all the unhealthy stupidity that most poorly conceived diets tend to produce. ToxicSlurpee posted:The logic, as far as I understand it, is more or less that some modern processed foods are very bad for you (high fructose corn syrup, artificial sweeteners, deep fried anything, etc.)so all processed foods are bad for you. Sorry to get all  , but there isn't meaningful evidence that HFCS is any worse than any other form of sugar. That idea is being promoted by the cane sugar producers and a set of authors (mostly working out of the NYT) who are looking for an additional way to blame Big Corn and Big Food for things as part of the whole rush to a naturalistic fallacy of food. Big Corn, corn subsidies, and the high-calorie diet of Americans are all problematic, but the idea that HFCS is especially harmful in some way is one place where rhetoric and poor science is obscuring the legitimate research.To speak on it a bit more, if you read media coverage of the idea that HFCS is uniquely bad, you'll find there are only about five or so people cited as sources for this belief. Several of them are food writers with no scientific training, and the remainder are researchers so freaking incompetent/dishonest that they get actively avoided at conferences, like Robert "sugar is an addictive toxin" Lustig. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 21:59 on Jul 3, 2014 |
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Discendo Vox posted:Sorry to get all It probably also comes down to taste, since foods taste differently if the added sugar is primarily fructose rather than sucrose. If HFCS tasted the same as cane sugar, it would have been a much less obvious target for food writers.
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AreWeDrunkYet posted:http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/20/us/20intel.html I don't know, because it wasn't? did you read those articles beyond the headlines? NY Times posted:Executives from Blackwater, which has generated controversy because of its aggressive tactics in Iraq, helped the spy agency with planning, training and surveillance. NPR posted:The program was scrapped before any missions were launched. The Atlantic posted:The reporting on Prado's activities at Blackwater produced no evidence that the firm's employees had ever killed anyone on behalf of the CIA LA Times posted:The program was kept secret from Congress for nearly eight years before Panetta told lawmakers about it in June. CIA officials have emphasized that the program was never operational and that it did not lead to the capture or killing of a single terrorism suspect.
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I think the problem with HFCS is that it so cheap that it can put in anything in great quantities. If sweetened foods had to be made with sugar instead then people wouldn't be able to afford as many high-calorie snacks.
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withak posted:I think the problem with HFCS is that it so cheap that it can put in anything in great quantities. If sweetened foods had to be made with sugar instead then people wouldn't be able to afford as many high-calorie snacks. That's really all there is.
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Crain posted:There is a great article on Libertarians and An-Cap style anarchists today in the post. It's about a "Gathering of the Juggalos" style event held by the New Hampshire "Free State Project" called The Procupine Freedom Festival Yep, they sound much worse (and dangerous) than Juggalos. I didn't notice any females mentioned either.
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Discendo Vox posted:The thing about paleo is that, to the extent that it works (only sometimes and sort of), it's in spite of its horrible caveman wrappings. Like Magres hints at, the metaphor/rationale gets overextended by the idiots that promote the diet, resulting in all the unhealthy stupidity that most poorly conceived diets tend to produce. Yeah, paleo is more well-balanced and healthy than a typical American diet by far, but the rationale behind is it ridiculous and unscientific. A lot of the stuff they get right is by accident. Discendo Vox posted:"sugar is an addictive toxin" Hey, it's technically true!  withak posted:I think the problem with HFCS is that it so cheap that it can put in anything in great quantities. If sweetened foods had to be made with sugar instead then people wouldn't be able to afford as many high-calorie snacks. I'm pretty sure that in the US that is strictly due to subsidies/tariffs, so I don't think "HFCS is cheaper than sugar" was a driving force for more added sweetener rather than just replacing sugar with HFCS.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:The logic, as far as I understand it, is more or less that some modern processed foods are very bad for you (high fructose corn syrup, artificial sweeteners, deep fried anything, etc.)so all processed foods are bad for you. The other side of the logic is that humans weren't designed to handle food the way we eat it now. Avoiding some of the garbage we shovel down our throats these days is fine but these people are taking it to an insane extreme. I can understand things like "we should probably drink less soda and eat fewer french fries" but raw foodism is taking it way too far. The overall idea misses the mark, but a general rule of thumb for living as a diabetic is "the more processed it is, the worse it is for your blood sugar". My father's diabetic, and he can eat sugar, at least a reasonable amount, no problem, it just has to be the raw Turbinado cane sugar. Heavily processed white flours cause his sugar to spike, cornmeal flour or whole-grain flours aren't too bad. A lot of the "processing" that is done to food makes it easier/faster for your body to unlock the energy and nutrients. There's a reason the nutritional advice is "eat whole grains" and not "eat a bunch of white flour".
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arguing with libertarians.txt "ALL TAXATION IS THEFT!" "Please, let me know the next time someone robs you and then takes the loot and uses it to provide you with roads, bridges, schools, and the other requirements of a functioning society. Oh, and also, they will let you and all the other victims vote on the amount of the theft every couple of years and abide by the wishes of the majority, or what you might call, the winner in the free market of ideas." "...."
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disheveled posted:I'm pretty sure that in the US that is strictly due to subsidies/tariffs, so I don't think "HFCS is cheaper than sugar" was a driving force for more added sweetener rather than just replacing sugar with HFCS. The driving force would have been that you can make your product sweeter, and thus more appealing to the customer, by adding a bunch of government-funded corn syrup for very little increase in cost. If the cost of the added sweetness isn't subsidized then the math works out differently and we likely would have fewer sweetness-based calories going up on grocery store shelves.
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To be clear, the corn refiners are also dicks. One of the federal agencies had to send them a warning letter because they were trying to backdoor food labeling changes that would change the name from HFCS to "corn sugar". They've also hired Rick Berman to fight the cane sugar refiners' claims. He's a man everyone should know and hate. Artificial sweeteners are largely the same deal. You're fine consuming them unless the sweetener is Aspartame and you have the genetic disorder PKU (you'd know if that was the case, or else you'd be retarded/dead). They've all gone through FDA research and approval, and the food additive approval process at the FDA remains one of the best regulatory procedures there is. Outside the US, Sodium Cyclamate is approved as an artificial sweetener- it's banned in the US after some controversial and contested studies in the late sixties suggested it could be carcinogenic. My understanding is that it's not used all that much anymore, though, since later developed artificial sweetener products are generally considered superior from a production and taste standpoint. Discendo Vox fucked around with this message at 22:26 on Jul 3, 2014 |
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