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Crappy Jack posted:It's a First Person Shooter based off an existing franchise. Generally those turn out terribly. I didn't take any issue with the marketing, but I remember when they announced a new Wolfenstein game, my first reaction was more of a "here we go again" thing. I think a lot of it is this. In today's world of a new call of duty every year, a lot of people have trepidation about "another fps sequel". Though the main thrust is with what your writers did. The franchise has always been good with solid gun play and mechanics. So people who were optimistic expected a solid man shoot. What no one expected was such a vividly constructed world with a strong aesthetic, well written and acted characters, all on top of the solid gameplay. Like that's what people think of when they think Bioshock not wolfenstein. No one had seen a wolfenstein like this. So it was better than expected because no one expected such an awesome story based on the previous entries in the series. On an unrelated note, do you got pictures of the marksman AR PA? I've got the hankering to make my next amateur prop making/nerf gun painting based on that or the 1960 AR and if I can get pictures from the source, why not?
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PAnick posted:Edit: This reminded me of something I have been wondering for a while and I'm interested in what you guys have to say. Wolfenstein is a franchise that's been around for thirty years in many forms. It means a lot of things to a lot of people. But it has a reputation of being a "dumb shoot-em-up" where you just kill enemies and the Nazis are window dressing for that. BJ Blazkowicz was a caricature; a superman who Rambos his way to saving the world. Until Wolf 09, he never had any dialogue. RTCW was better remembered for its MP even though its SP game was excellent. I also think it's because Wolfenstein is a franchise that gets sequels infrequently. RTCW came out in 2001. Wolf 09 came out in, well, 2009. It was five years between that and TNO. Long enough for people to put it away in their mind, as opposed to CoD which is in the news every year. RTCW and Wolf 09 didn't make you think about what you were doing all that much, it was standard war move "beat the Nazis." TNO seemed to actually take the "what does fighting Nazis really mean?" a bit more seriously, even with cybernetic monster men and ED-209s fighting you. It's less Hogan's Heroes this time around, and since it's playing against type, that's why it's getting that kind of attention. RTCW was very "oh those silly Nazis" at times, and Wolf 09 decided to go ersatz Indiana Jones. TNO went for 1984, which nobody expected. It's why I'm really curious as to where a sequel will go, because the ending left a lot to be desired on that front. Stopping Deathshead won't stop the Nazis overnight. BJ got his revenge, but the war machine will lumber on. TNO had something to say about what a world ruled by Nazis would actually be, with a weight similar to 1984. People don't expect these kinds of games to actually make them think most of the time, and do it in a non ham-fisted way. kefkafloyd fucked around with this message at 15:55 on Jul 3, 2014 |
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charismaslover posted:Man this game was a blast, I've not had as much fun with a shooter in a long time. That really is a loving fantastic main menu theme. Just beat the game and I'm glad I bought the fucker. Also glad I picked Fergus to Scot-bro it up with me, magnificent oval office that he is. I'm sure its been said before by others here, but this is the game Duke Nukem Forever should have been. GOTY for me thus far. EDIT: And yeah, as the posters above me have put it (better than I can)... its the really skillful mix of a strong aesthetic and elements of irreverence and caricature that are grounded by a really well developed narrative. I shouldnt be emotionally moved in a game where I am shooting robot-dogs on the moon, but I was frequently moved by the story of TNO (babies being dangled in front of Nazi torturers in Auschwitz-like labour-camps, lobotomised Hodor's in their childlike rooms). It would be so easy to let Wolfenstein wallow in its own testosterone-addled legacy and withdraw into self-parody the way 3D Realms allowed Duke Nukem to, its a lot bloody harder and takes an awful lot of skill and imagination to maintain that bro-cheese (BJ standing up for the first time in 14 years as jacked as when he sat down and as ready to kill a platoon of crack Nazi troopers) while developing Blaskowicz as a sympathetic badass (his frequent shows of, wuh oh, emotion). Simiain fucked around with this message at 16:07 on Jul 3, 2014 |
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Werix posted:I think a lot of it is this. In today's world of a new call of duty every year, a lot of people have trepidation about "another fps sequel". Yeah, this too. I figured, best case scenario, I'd shoot Nazis for a few hours and be entertained, but I didn't expect to be actually drawn in and invested in it.
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Jul 3, 2014 15:57
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Thyrork posted:So i like killing/fighting giant robots like the ones in wolf, any other games like it you guy's/gal's would recommend? Play Revengeance 
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Jul 3, 2014 16:10
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PAnick posted:Edit: This reminded me of something I have been wondering for a while and I'm interested in what you guys have to say.
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PAnick posted:Edit: This reminded me of something I have been wondering for a while and I'm interested in what you guys have to say. I'd say it's two things for me. - Wolfenstein has always been pretty dumb manshoots. This is actually a pretty well written FPS, and the gameplay balance is superb. It feels better then those other Wolfenstein games in many ways. As the article said, you guys could have phoned it in, and nobody would have cared, it's the fact that you didn't which makes it so surprising. - Pulling old franchise names from the past usually doesn't happen because the devs respect the property. It happens because the devs were working on something similar to the old game, and the Publisher wanted to make sure it had a well known name so it'd sell better. This almost always means the new game will be not close enough to the old games for fans of the series, and not offering enough new for people coming in to the series ( since systems get adjusted to make it more similar to the old games. ). See Thief, Hitman, Silent Hill, etc. The marketing actually worked pretty well, since it got people to try the game, which caused word of mouth. It's just that pretty much everyone assumed it was going to be a cash grab using the Wolfenstein name, and instead it's a full game in it's own right, built on it's own merits. I know more then a few people are now hoping for/expecting a Wolfenstein sequel because of how well done this game was.
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Jul 3, 2014 16:25
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Right now 7/3 TNO is 20 bucks off on amazon with prime I think. It was enough to get me to buy it, might be the same for some others.
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Jul 3, 2014 16:31
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General Battuta posted:Play Revengeance Wolfenstein fans will definitely like Revengeance.
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Jul 3, 2014 16:34
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Thyrork posted:Drawning a blank as to what you guys are talking about, should i remain blissful in ignorance or look it (Nazisploitation) up? Absolutely yes. Bathe in it.
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Jul 3, 2014 17:38
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Moochewmoo posted:Right now 7/3 TNO is 20 bucks off on amazon with prime I think. It was enough to get me to buy it, might be the same for some others. Thanks for bringing this up, looks like it's available at that price for everyone, and it's good for all versions of the game, from what I can see.
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Jul 3, 2014 18:31
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I was very pleasantly surprised by this game. I didn't expect it to have an actual plot or characterization, but it totally did, and in fact surpassed most "serious" games while still being a crazy "shoot robot Nazis in the face" adventure. Also, the shooting mechanics were much better than I expected. In particular, I found it notably annoying to go back to games that didn't have the Wolfenstein leaning feature.
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Jul 3, 2014 18:54
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I'm glad the Neumond Records songs are up on spotify. 
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Thyrork posted:Drawning a blank as to what you guys are talking about, should i remain blissful in ignorance or look it (Nazisploitation) up? Nazisploitation is arguably the forerunner to modern torture porn, but with more porn than torture. Eli Roth is a big fan, and cited it as an influence on Hostel. I don't think I need to say any more; you can probably tell just from that if it's your bag.
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Jul 3, 2014 20:14
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General Battuta posted:Play Revengeance Already did. It is glorious, glorious violence. Nanomachines, son! DStecks posted:Nazisploitation is arguably the forerunner to modern torture porn, but with more porn than torture. Eli Roth is a big fan, and cited it as an influence on Hostel. I don't think I need to say any more; you can probably tell just from that if it's your bag. ...  I think ill pass!
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PAnick posted:Edit: This reminded me of something I have been wondering for a while and I'm interested in what you guys have to say. I only played Wolf3D back in the day and never any of the others, so I have little history with the franchise that I can compare it with or that affected my expectations. That being said, when I heard there was a new Wolfenstein game coming out, my immediate thought was like others, a game like Halo or Call of Duty; shooting bad guys, storming a stronghold, maybe a driving stage or two, either a silent or mostly-silent protagonist sans cutscenes, and a weak plot to tie it together. So when I started playing it, it sure seemed like it was going to go that way, but once I got to the choice Deathshead forces upon you right at the beginning I knew it was going to go more Bioshock/Mass Effect where you are going to have to make choices and the story is going to play a more important role than taking you from one shootout to the next. I've always been a fan of Fallout/The Elder Scrolls and while I didn't expect a universe as detailed and rich as those the amount of details and effort that you guys were able to cram into the game given its constrained world was quite refreshing; I found myself checking every newspaper article, listening in on enemy conversations, and searching every nook and cranny not for collectibles but just to learn more about the world I was in (e.g. Hans Armstark, which made me smile). Sure, like others there are many complaints you can make about realism like BJ keeping his perfect physique, or nobody aging, or doors conveniently being opened when they were locked before, and the fact that despite BJ already being a notorious Nazi-killer and being at the scene of every attack against them once the main storyline starts they never seem to recognize him or have wanted posters or anything, but the game itself is so polished you kind of forget all that until someone brings it up, and honestly, it doesn't diminish your opinion of the game because that's not what was important. Edit: To more directly answer your question I think it's a bit of both. The Wolfenstein name is always going to carry the weight of being one of the games that set the standard for what FPSes would become, and of course 3D was in an era when story wasn't important, it was all about cool enemies and cool guns and cool environments. Reading the posts it sounds like Wolf09 and RtCW are good games in their own right but I guess the question becomes how many people played them and how many people expected a sequel that might just be the same things just with a few new enemies, a few new guns, and a few new maps? As to marketing, I think they did an okay job, it really depends on what trailers and what advertisements people saw, if any. You have to balance the story without giving too much away while at the same time showcasing the gameplay, so I can't really blame them if people didn't pay attention or weren't around in places they were shown. Word-of-mouth is what got me interested and when it was on the steam sale I figured I'd go for it. Abandoned Toaster fucked around with this message at 01:49 on Jul 4, 2014 |
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The Nowhere to Run trailer really set the tone, I think. There wasn't much excitement amongst the non-die hards that I knew until that trailer came out. Shooting a dude for a red card was a holy poo poo moment.
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I saw only 2 trailers before buying and one was one of the first teasers around the last QuakeCon?, had some gunplay and a robot IIRC. Then New Order fell off my radar for a while until I saw the Engel train sequence. I was absolutely sold. I saw the red card trailer at some later time.
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Thyrork posted:Drawning a blank as to what you guys are talking about, should i remain blissful in ignorance or look it (Nazisploitation) up? I started running a wiki crawl going on this very subject, and I'm not sure if you should. On the one hand, horrors upon horrors upon horrors. On the other hand, I'm leaning a bit towards getting Sniper Elite V3 now because man, gently caress Nazis. e: Off the fence and $50 happier for it. gently caress Nazis.
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Jul 4, 2014 03:42
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The Nazis didn't make Nazisploitation, though?  and you probably shouldn't be taking history lessons from 70's grindhouse flicks...(Not that I'm trying to imply that the Nazis weren't evil or anything, it's just that the reason Nazisploitation is so tasteless and offensive is that it sensationalizes and sexualizes actual historical atrocities, for the titillation of its audience. It would be like if, twenty years from now, people would make pornos where the Taliban gangrape American POW's.)
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DStecks posted:The Nazis didn't make Nazisploitation, though? No, it's more I followed the Wiki link from Nazisploitation to Ilsa, She-wolf of the SS through to her real-life inspirations, making me want to shoot more Nazis.
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Dewgy posted:No, it's more I followed the Wiki link from Nazisploitation to Ilsa, She-wolf of the SS through to her real-life inspirations, making me want to shoot more Nazis. Oh... 
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DStecks posted:Oh... NO STOP THAT SHOOT MORE NAZIS ...yeah
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PAnick posted:
As well as what other people have said, in the last year or so there has been a bunch of budget FPS remakes of old school shooters that were just pandering to nostalgia and were not really that good (Shadow Warrior, RotT etc). TNO was just another one of those to me, totally off of my radar as a game I wanted to play until I saw the reviews. For once I am glad I read the reviews 
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What is that awesome track that plays when you first get the helicopters with Caroline? I'm on my third playthrough and it's just stuck with me this whole time.
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With regards to the game being "better than expected:". I figured I'd get something more like a call of duty in a different setting. Boring and uninspired writing and levels, weapons, etc. Very pleased with what TNO actually is - probably one of my favorite single player shooters in a long time. Definitely way more half life or metro 2033 than CoD. There's something very satisfying about the diversity of gameplay between sneaky stealth levels and running around with dual shrapnel shotguns just blowing suit up.
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causticBeet posted:Definitely way more half life or metro 2033 than CoD. There's something very satisfying about the diversity of gameplay between sneaky stealth levels and running around with dual shrapnel shotguns just blowing suit up.
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It hits alot of the same notes that made Half Life 2 so memorable for me. Good pacing. Quiet time to calm down from all the blasting, which leads to exploring, plot discovery and occasional puzzles. Very, very good use of the musical score, the final level nailing this so hard, bonus points because its the menu theme, making it feel like its a payoff setup from the start. Diversity of enemies and level environments. A fun gimmick weapon that never gets old. And finally a good supporting cast of characters. I'm still convinced Max was a washed out Super soldier. Did we ever get anymore backstory on him?
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On my first play through, I didn't use dual wield much, in part because I prize mobility in games like this. But also, it just didn't seem effective? So, playing through on the hardest difficulty now, and I realize that dual wield does not work properly. It shows both guns, I can switch modes on both guns, reload both guns, BUT ONLY THE LEFT GUN ACTUALLY FIRES. So, you get a movement penalty for without an increase in fire power, although it still records the kills as dual wield kills for your perks. I'm on PC. Anyone else notice this?
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Squashy Nipples posted:On my first play through, I didn't use dual wield much, in part because I prize mobility in games like this. But also, it just didn't seem effective? One mouse button to fire one gun, the other mouse button to fire the other. That way you can have like one AR switched to rocket launcher and the other on bullets, and then alternate fire, or just hold down both buttons and fire with both guns.
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Squashy Nipples posted:On my first play through, I didn't use dual wield much, in part because I prize mobility in games like this. But also, it just didn't seem effective? Hahahha
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Squashy Nipples posted:So, playing through on the hardest difficulty now, and I realize that dual wield does not work properly. It shows both guns, I can switch modes on both guns, reload both guns, BUT ONLY THE LEFT GUN ACTUALLY FIRES. So, you get a movement penalty for without an increase in fire power, although it still records the kills as dual wield kills for your perks.
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Squashy Nipples posted:On my first play through, I didn't use dual wield much, in part because I prize mobility in games like this. But also, it just didn't seem effective? this is beautiful
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Ah, that explains it. I use a weird control set up, so my aim button is my thumb button, which is less then ideal for a trigger. Still, will be nice to have rockets in one gun.
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Ravenfood posted:...You've never played a FPS, have you? gently caress you, 20 years worth.
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Squashy Nipples posted:gently caress you, 20 years worth. How have you not heard of Halo 2 or similar FPS games where dual wielding is exactly like this game and never thought "Maybe this is like one of the most (sadly) influential FPS games ever?" The game is almost ten years old by this point, half of your 20 years worth. Does anyone else find akimbo silenced pistols to be as awesome as I do? Sure, dual wield flak shotguns are the best gun in the game, but dual silenced pistols come close.
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Dual knives are probably my favorite. I've gotten incredibly good at pegging moving targets with a knife throw at what I would imagine is 50 feet. But all the weapons have their place. Just finished Uber and gonna go for 999 mode.
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I saw this trailer https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENTC-mAQ0tI picked it up about a week later. The nowhere to run trailer is also really well done. I need to go back and do a 999 mode playthrough, once I've gone through watchdogs I've done pretty everything but the main quest which I'm finding boring as hell, and bizarrely nonsensical.
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Yeah, that trailer is what sold me as well. I was just looking for something to fill a few hours with fairly mindless violence...which is what I got, but it was also something that turned out to be surprisingly replayable with a pretty strong story. 
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