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IuniusBrutus posted:http://www.microcenter.com/product/422033/MacBook_Pro_MD313LL-A_133_Laptop_Computer_Pre-Owned_-_Silver It's the old non-retina MacBook Pro, the 13" model of which is not very good: low resolution screen, crap hard drive, too heavy for what it's got. You're looking at one from 2011. I would get something else.
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IuniusBrutus posted:http://www.microcenter.com/product/422033/MacBook_Pro_MD313LL-A_133_Laptop_Computer_Pre-Owned_-_Silver If you want that specific model, you'd be better finding one used on CL or ebay. The microcenter price is way too high for a preowned model, or even a new model that old.
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IuniusBrutus posted:Also, while no one can predict this, how long would this manage before becoming woefully out of date? We can. This is because it's now.
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 I don't know anything about macs. What would be my best bet for a modern MBP at this point in time for my needs?
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IuniusBrutus posted:http://www.microcenter.com/product/422033/MacBook_Pro_MD313LL-A_133_Laptop_Computer_Pre-Owned_-_Silver There have been deals on MacBook Air 11's for like $700. Why not get that?
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fookolt posted:There have been deals on MacBook Air 11's for like $700. Why not get that? The screen was too small on the 11" air, and I liked the keyboard on the pro significantly more.
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IuniusBrutus posted:
http://store.apple.com/us/product/FE864LL/A/refurbished-133-inch-macbook-pro-24ghz-dual-core-intel-i5-with-retina-display
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theadder posted:We can. This is because it's now. You tell 'em, bro... and keep on ignoring ME for doing the same... IuniusBrutus posted:The screen was too small on the 11" air, and I liked the keyboard on the pro significantly more. The keyboard is exactly the same save for the top row, whose keys are used maybe 1% of the amount the other ones are used, if that. It doesn't change my typing flow at all. Was there another reason you don't like the keyboard? Just curious.
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Choadmaster posted:http://store.apple.com/us/product/FE864LL/A/refurbished-133-inch-macbook-pro-24ghz-dual-core-intel-i5-with-retina-display One thing to add for Mac newbie IuniusBrutus: Once you buy that, you're gonna be stuck with that configuration. There is no way at all to upgrade the main memory. Depending on how long you will want to keep this and how your usage and the demands of software in general will develop over the years, 4 GB might be rear end. It's already pretty basic nowadays.
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IuniusBrutus posted:
Best Buy is still doing $150 off all Macbooks if you're a student. http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Global/College-Student-Deals/pcmcat276200050000.c?id=pcmcat276200050000 flavor posted:The keyboard is exactly the same save for the top row, whose keys are used maybe 1% of the amount the other ones are used, if that. It doesn't change my typing flow at all. Was there another reason you don't like the keyboard? Just curious. The key travel is much longer on the pro.
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flavor posted:The keyboard is exactly the same save for the top row, whose keys are used maybe 1% of the amount the other ones are used, if that. It doesn't change my typing flow at all. Was there another reason you don't like the keyboard? Just curious. The keys in the MBPs/rMBPs have more travel and a resultantly plusher feel than the ones in the Airs. It's minor and you totally get used to it fast but I definitely noticed the difference in typing going from a MacBook to an Air to an rMBP over the last few years. E: fb.
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Electric Bugaloo posted:The keys in the MBPs/rMBPs have more travel and a resultantly plusher feel than the ones in the Airs. It's minor and you totally get used to it fast but I definitely noticed the difference in typing going from a MacBook to an Air to an rMBP over the last few years. Bingo. The Air keys didn't feel bad per se....but I've been using Thinkpads, and I do a lot of writing, so I value a nice keyboard. And I thought only the Airs had non-upgradeable RAM. Are the current pros unable to be upgraded as well? That is irritating if so. How can I get the Best Buy education discount? And how would a new non-Retina MBP do with 8gb of RAM in terms of longevity?
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The non-retina MBPs have upgradeable RAM. I don't like the retinas for this reason, but I'm pretty alone in this thread on that one.
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Thanks for the iMac advice on the last page dudes
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flavor posted:One thing to add for Mac newbie IuniusBrutus: Once you buy that, you're gonna be stuck with that configuration. There is no way at all to upgrade the main memory. Depending on how long you will want to keep this and how your usage and the demands of software in general will develop over the years, 4 GB might be rear end. It's already pretty basic nowadays. I would certainly go for the 8 GB / 256 SSD config, but given that he was already looking at a $300 cheaper and far slower computer I sorta figured this would be stretching his budget enough already. Memory compression plus the SSD should keep it pretty usable with 4 GB even into the future IMO.
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Choadmaster posted:I would certainly go for the 8 GB / 256 SSD config, but given that he was already looking at a $300 cheaper and far slower computer I sorta figured this would be stretching his budget enough already. Memory compression plus the SSD should keep it pretty usable with 4 GB even into the future IMO. I'm not going to make budget assumptions based on such questions. I've seen affluent people be really cheap with things they're not interested in, and that guy hasn't done any research on his own, so I wouldn't rule that out. In a CS context there may arise the need to run virtual machines or Windows via BootCamp or whatever, so 4/128 is already pretty underpowered right now.
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IuniusBrutus posted:Bingo. The Air keys didn't feel bad per se....but I've been using Thinkpads, and I do a lot of writing, so I value a nice keyboard. I don't know how far your can stretch your budget but the 8GB/256GB config Choadmaster mentioned is usually available on the refurb store for a very reasonable price (http://store.apple.com/us/product/FE865LL/A/refurbished-133-inch-macbook-air-13ghz-dual-core-intel-core-i5 - $1269 if you're in the US) and will likely last you a while. I'd strongly recommend against buying a new non-retina MBP. They're only available as 13" with an awful 1280x800 screen, they're a generation behind hardware wise, the battery life is not great and they come with a mechanical HDD. 8GB of RAM won't do much to help because you're stuck with the mechanical HDD (and if you upgrade that to a SSD you're talking about the price range of the refurb rMBP anyway).
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FCKGW posted:Best Buy is still doing $150 off all Macbooks if you're a student. In any event I'd get AppleCare over any warranty extension Best Buy has to offer. Pivo posted:The non-retina MBPs have upgradeable RAM. There's a difference between what I like and what I'd recommend to other people. I understand about the expandability, but it's just clunky old tech with a severely inferior display compared to a rMBP. And most people I've seen staid with their original configurations on the old-type MBPs because frankly, they're way too superficial in these things, and the guy asking here sounds about the same, no offense (and maybe he'll prove us different).
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Pivo posted:The non-retina MBPs have upgradeable RAM. flavor posted:In any event I'd get AppleCare over any warranty extension Best Buy has to offer. Canned Sunshine fucked around with this message at 04:28 on Jul 2, 2014 |
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I have no issue spending extra - this is just very thoroughly an appliance computer for me, and I don't want to drop more than I need. Currently the main windows laptop I'm looking at is a t440s at around $1200 soooo- I also don't care if the RAM isn't user serviceable, so long as I can get an adequate amount when I purchase it. It was only a concern for the one because it came with just 4gb.
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IuniusBrutus posted:Currently the main windows laptop I'm looking at is a t440s at around $1200 soooo- Sounds like a refurbished 13.3" i5 rMBP with 8 GB RAM and 256 GB SSD would be perfect for you!
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Need help! I'm about to order the imac thanks to the new student promo, and am debating between the 256gb solid state drive vs the 3tb fusion drive. My priority is longevity, performance, and repairability, in that order. That coupled with the fact that I would like to boot camp to play steam games ( can't use the SSD portion if I do this) makes the fusion drive pointless. Any advice for someone Ina similar debacle?
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SourKraut posted:I definitely preferred having the RAM (and HD/SSD) be upgradable, but with the rise in DRAM costs I had kinda noticed that a little bit, is there no competition or is it like with hard disks, where 95% of the world's production is made in two factories in Thailand that are 2 miles apart and then get hit by the same tsunami, which then is used as an excuse for the next 3 years or similar? SourKraut posted:Personally I just preferred replaceable components because I like to tinker on all my systems. I understand, but I tinker on gaming PCs and use Macs for reliability. Also, on a PC desktop tower I can switch out virtually everything including motherboards and CPUs, whereas on an old MBP you're done tinkering once you've maxed out the memory and the hard disk (and possibly replaced the DVD drive with another disk).
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Bonobos posted:longevity, performance, and repairability Get AppleCare and you've taken care of the first and the third. The repairability of an iMac is great when you take it to an Apple Store. Otherwise it's not. The performance of the 256 GB SSD is going to be slightly better, but you may not be able to have your OS X installation, Windows installation and all your games on it. (BootCamp can only boot from the internal disk.)
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flavor posted:I had kinda noticed that a little bit, is there no competition or is it like with hard disks, where 95% of the world's production is made in two factories in Thailand that are 2 miles apart and then get hit by the same tsunami, which then is used as an excuse for the next 3 years or similar? It started off as a slight increase when Hynix had a fire at one of their factories, but it largely was due to the really low prices causing many manufacturers to switch production over to NAND flash where demand was higher, ultimately resulting in less supply and the logical rise in costs as a result. With so much focus on NAND now for tablets, phones, SSDs, etc., it's unlikely there will be a large push back for DRAM production. Commercial availability of DDR4 won't help matters either as that will take time to ramp up with high costs also. TL;dr: Mobile device demand has largely borked the DRAM market and continued migration from DRAM systems to NAND systems will keep prices high for a long, long time. quote:I understand, but I tinker on gaming PCs and use Macs for reliability. Also, on a PC desktop tower I can switch out virtually everything including motherboards and CPUs, whereas on an old MBP you're done tinkering once you've maxed out the memory and the hard disk (and possibly replaced the DVD drive with another disk). (But yeah, for the most part it is pretty boring to just be limited to RAM and the HDD/SSD on the older MBPs).
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SourKraut posted:fire at one of their factories So I guessed right, mostly, thanks. Switching out motherboards on your old MBPs is more hardcore than me, respect!
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Yeast posted:They crossfire under Windows, but not OS X Bonobos posted:Need help! I'm about to order the imac thanks to the new student promo, and am debating between the 256gb solid state drive vs the 3tb fusion drive. flavor posted:Get AppleCare and you've taken care of the first and the third. The repairability of an iMac is great when you take it to an Apple Store. Otherwise it's not. http://dadhacks.dadpower.net/post/47998058347/set-up-bootcamp-on-an-external-thunderbolt-drive And I guess USB might work too now?: http://twocanoes.com/winclone/support/migrate-windows-8-to-an-external-drive-using-winclone-4.3-and-later Well you still need the internal drive at some point to install Windows/run Boot Camp in the first place, if that's what you meant.
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japtor posted:I'm not sure when it changed but I remember people getting it working off Thunderbolt a while back, like so: I didn't know about these other solutions, which both require Winclone (which is of course not a major obstacle at $29.99). According to their documentation, you'll also need EFI 2.0 or greater (which a new iMac would have, but not every older Mac does). Also you'll need to install Windows on the internal disk first and then move it to the external one. So it's doable but not 100% straightforward for everyone and in every situation. Also it's not officially supported (thought I have no real doubts it'll work). Anyway, thanks, didn't know about that!
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My new Mid-2014 MacBook Air 11" arrived a couple of hours ago, and I have to say, I'm in love with this thing. The last (and first) MacBook I owned was a 2007(?) Black plastic unibody model, this thing feels like something from the distant future by comparison. Anyway, I came here to say that when I was doing a lot of research on this thing before I pulled the trigger, the thing that kept coming up again and again was about the display being a 'lovely TN panel' etc. Gotta say, the display is pretty beautiful. What is it that everyone hates about this thing? It's no retina display by any means, but I am MORE than happy with it.
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Linx posted:Anyway, I came here to say that when I was doing a lot of research on this thing before I pulled the trigger, the thing that kept coming up again and again was about the display being a 'lovely TN panel' etc. Gotta say, the display is pretty beautiful. What is it that everyone hates about this thing? It's no retina display by any means, but I am MORE than happy with it. It's not a bad display by any means- it's probably one of, if not the, best TN panels on the market available in a notebook- but it's still limited by its tech in terms of viewing angles, color accuracy, and PPI. As far as it being "lovely," I think that characterization comes from the fact that there are better displays available in competitively-priced notebooks nowadays (this is less true following the most recent MBA price drop). Before the price drop, a 13" rMBP wasn't as much of a relative cost hike. There are also a lot of Windows ultrabooks on the market now with IPS and high-density displays. It's not something that you really notice in a vacuum, and I've had an MBA for 3 years and felt pretty similar to the way you have but the display in an rMBP just blows it clear out of the water. I'm definitely a firm believer in retina/hi-DPI being the standard of the future and I think that anyone looking for a new notebook to last them a few years would be best served going with a computer that includes it though.
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IuniusBrutus posted:http://www.microcenter.com/product/422033/MacBook_Pro_MD313LL-A_133_Laptop_Computer_Pre-Owned_-_Silver That's a 2011 model. Biggest drawback is no USB 3.0 I'd pay...$550 tops for one of those.
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If you have a 2011 notebook without USB 3 and you have external storage speed woes, The Seagate GoFlex Thunderbolt adapter, the same one that comes with this 1TB HDD for $139, lets you jack in any 2.5" drive or connect any SATA / eSATA (w/ a $2 cable) drive. I'm at a new job with a bunch of external eSATA disk arrays since they have old Mac Pros without a fiber network, and I'm connecting to them with this GoFlex adapter using my rMBP.
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flavor posted:I didn't know about these other solutions, which both require Winclone (which is of course not a major obstacle at $29.99). According to their documentation, you'll also need EFI 2.0 or greater (which a new iMac would have, but not every older Mac does). Also you'll need to install Windows on the internal disk first and then move it to the external one. It's also possible to break the logical Fusion drive into it's SSD and HDD components and then partition the SSD into two 60GB partitions. Windows can be installed on the second 60GB partition. It loving flies. This is the route I've taken. It's great. I have a disk image with WinClone that I can roll out in < 10 minutes every time I need Windows.
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Anyone have opinions on the best performance/value on any of the flush SD adapters/drives available now?
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I imagine most people would tell you this is the sweet spot for rMBPs: http://www.refurb.me/us/notebook/macbook_pro_retina/FE865 From what I've heard, the Iris fits the retina display much better than the HD 4000, and you get double the SSD space along with it.
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I recently ordered a 13" MacBook Air 128GB with 8GB memory and since it hasn't arrived yet, I've been thinking if I'd be better off with the 13" Pro. I was actually going to change my order, but then I noticed that MacRumours recommends to wait and now I'm not really sure what to do. The laptop would be mainly used for programming. My old laptop had a resolution of 1366x768 and I thought it was fine for most programming related tasks (some IDEs could get a bit cramped tho), so I don't think I'd have too many issues with the Air. I don't have an immediate need for the laptop, but I need it at least before the next semester starts (which would be in roughly two months), and I certainly wouldn't mind getting it even before that. Would buying the Pro be a bad choice right now? Also, is the Pro more quiet under load than the Air? All I really want from my next laptop is for it to be small, quiet and for it to last a good long while (I had my previous laptop for three years, so I'm expecting my next purchase to last at least as long, hopefully longer).
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Useful Idiot posted:then I noticed that MacRumours recommends to wait and now I'm not really sure what to do. There are no new Intel processors until late this year or early next year. The MBAs were recently updated, but performance was almost identical to the 2013 models because they use the same CPU generation. The only real change was a price drop. This is about what you might expect out of an rMBP update.
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