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Can vampires hide their bloodlines by acting a certain way or is it something that other vampires just innately recognize?
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Jun 28, 2014 10:28
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Pwnstar posted:Can vampires hide their bloodlines by acting a certain way or is it something that other vampires just innately recognize? Most can. Some clan weaknesses make it difficult, you're not likely to mistake a Nosferatu for anything else and most vampires just don't bother. But no, it's not something anyone else would automatically know on first meeting you. It's not something you innately know for that matter. That's what Catiff are, vampires that for one reason or another don't know their own clans.
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Jun 28, 2014 10:59
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That's what Obfuscate is for, Stroth  There's a character in the Clan Novels who was a Lasombra that passed himself off as a Ventrue for a long, long time as part of an infiltration mission in the Camarilla. Rose to a position of serious power before he got found out. Lucinde (Ventrue Justicar) was not pleased, to say the least.
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Jun 28, 2014 13:41
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All PCs in any tabletop game are assumed to be orphans with no living relatives and no social bonds beyond the other PCs. Anything else gives the GM leverage. (And cool adventure hooks) That makes it much easier to maintain the Masquerade. No pesky pre-embrace relations.
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Jun 28, 2014 16:46
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Vicissitude posted:That's what Obfuscate is for, Stroth Please tell me he got away with it 
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Jun 28, 2014 16:55
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Wasn't Lucinde, in turn, a Setite masquerading as a Ventrue?
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Jun 28, 2014 17:49
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Pvt.Scott posted:All PCs in any tabletop game are assumed to be orphans with no living relatives and no social bonds beyond the other PCs. Anything else gives the GM leverage. (And cool adventure hooks) This is actually true. Having pre-embrace attachments is a (variety of) mechanical flaw(s), which gives you more character creation points to make your vampire more awesome. It comes with the expected headaches. It's also possible for a vampire to 1. always be under the effects of Breath of Life without spending blood, regardless of humanity, and 2. show up as human to Auspex.
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Jun 28, 2014 18:04
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Captain Oblivious posted:Please tell me he got away with it By acting better than everyone and not using Obtenebration. I guess nobody ever had a mirror nearby when they met with him. Which is theoretically doable. Inner rooms of a building for no windows. Office space makes little sense for mirrors to be present. In his private haven, nobody is likely to have ever been invited. Even so, you can pass it off as a quirk of "I know I'm old. I don't need to see a young face staring back at me. It's depressing."
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Jun 28, 2014 19:11
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Vicissitude posted:That's what Obfuscate is for, Stroth That's what Auspex is for, Vicissitude
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Jun 28, 2014 21:49
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Still a contested roll if the Disciplines are tied, and Nos are really good at what they do
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Jun 29, 2014 00:15
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Pwnstar posted:Can vampires hide their bloodlines by acting a certain way or is it something that other vampires just innately recognize? Of course, the obverse of this is that most vampires cannot so readily and certainly identify others' Clans or have their own identified. Relationships, Discipline usage, and Clan weaknesses are very useful tools – for example, Toreadors usually flock together and behave similarly, and the guy with no reflection who's summoning shadow tentacles to rip your face off is definitely a Lasombra – but there can still be considerable room for misidentification, especially when time is short and opportunity scarce. ⁂ I always thought the Slasher was a feral Gangrel, since his Disciplines and (presumed) siring method match up fairly well at least with the way the game handles Protean*. Unless someone that knows more than I about getting information out of the game knows different, I can't see anywhere it actually specifies any given vampire's clan, so  fakeedit: I just tried and I can confirm that, at least in Plus Patch, he does have the war form all the way back in the Santa Monica Diner and he will push your poo poo in if you attack him. * That reminds me, I have a crazy theory about the Gangrel in this game, but it’s massive spoilers until much later so I’ll bench it.
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Jun 29, 2014 04:17
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Also the guy who looks like something out of your nightmares is a Tzsimisce. It's actually funny than that young Tzimisce are cruel but the thing itself is so far gone that it no longer has any concept of cruelty. It has no malice while it twists your body into something unnatural, it only recognized you as raw material.
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Jun 29, 2014 04:22
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Captain Oblivious posted:Please tell me he got away with it He was shotguned in the face with a phosphorus round by an Archon, but still went on to trash an entire room full of battle-hardened Camirilla Kindred before being sliced in half with a sword. One of the vamps that he kicked the poo poo out of was the main character from the other V:TM videogame, Christof Romuald, which instantly made me like him more.
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Jun 29, 2014 04:34
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GrimRevenant posted:A Tremere, if they get their hands on some of your blood, can get an awful lot of information on you. With the right Thaumataturgical ritual, they can identify your generation, clan, and potentially all your sires back to the fourth generation if they get enough blood from you and they enough successes when performing the ritual. (Incidentally, they also have a ritual pretty much perfectly designed for getting their hands on your blood. If a Tremere offers you a sealed container, just say no™.) Experienced Ventrue can pull off something similar, provided they get a chance to sit down and savor someone's vitae like a wine sommelier.
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Jun 29, 2014 06:23
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Zeroisanumber posted:He was shotguned in the face with a phosphorus round by an Archon, Good old Theo Bell. Best Archon, in my opinion.
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Jun 29, 2014 06:24
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apostateCourier posted:This is actually true. Having pre-embrace attachments is a (variety of) mechanical flaw(s), which gives you more character creation points to make your vampire more awesome. It comes with the expected headaches. That sounds complicated. I Have only LARPed VtM, and it was like half people who were new to it, so the technical stuff was pretty stripped down, I am glad to not have had to deal with that. (Of course, our storytellers had their own ways of screwing us over anyway)
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Jun 29, 2014 14:49
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Thesaya posted:That sounds complicated. I Have only LARPed VtM, and it was like half people who were new to it, so the technical stuff was pretty stripped down, I am glad to not have had to deal with that. (Of course, our storytellers had their own ways of screwing us over anyway) Funny thing is, when you're not LARPing a lot of things are way less complicated in practice.
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Jun 29, 2014 16:23
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Captain Oblivious posted:Funny thing is, when you're not LARPing a lot of things are way less complicated in practice. LARPing adds an entire layer of barely working cobbled together rules to everything. Not a good representation of a system.
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Jun 30, 2014 08:37
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Pvt.Scott posted:I have the monster entry on my shelf about Giant Space Hamsters from Spelljammer that mentions Gnomes have bred a miniature version to keep as pets, which is a ridiculous notion. Spelljammer was late '89. Giant Space Hamsters were in the first MC Appendix for it, released a few months after in 1990. Well before the BG series. Given Minsc was originally a Dark Sun character, and that setting doesn't have a lot of interaction with the Planescape as a whole,
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Jul 1, 2014 05:37
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Sleep of Bronze posted:(I was sceptical about the use for a DS Ranger in such an ornamental pet, but I guess it's at least not as bad for your water supplies as anything larger and more combat-capable). And it's trained to go for the eyes.
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Jul 1, 2014 07:11
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Sleep of Bronze posted:Spelljammer was late '89. Giant Space Hamsters were in the first MC Appendix for it, released a few months after in 1990. Well before the BG series. Given Minsc was originally a Dark Sun character, and that setting doesn't have a lot of interaction with the Planescape as a whole, Wait what? Minsc was a Dark Sun character? Did I miss something?
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Jul 5, 2014 19:40
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Sure.quote:
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Jul 5, 2014 20:45
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Sleep of Bronze posted:Sure. I finally have an explanation for why Minsc was some bizarre ranger kit with barbarian rage. 
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Jul 5, 2014 21:22
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Newbie here that actually got an account for this LP alone, If recall correctly, isn't Jack supposed to be Jack Rackham? I always remember from what I had seen that he was supposed to be pretty big stuff when he was a pirate Edit : Somebody tell me if I need to put spoiler tags on that? JackNapier fucked around with this message at 05:29 on Jul 6, 2014 |
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Jul 6, 2014 04:58
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JackNapier posted:Newbie here that actually got an account for this LP alone, If recall correctly, isn't Jack supposed to be Jack Rackham? I always remember from what I had seen that he was supposed to be pretty big stuff when he was a pirate It's implied pretty heavily that he was originally a pirate in the seventeen hundreds until he was embraced, but who exactly was never confirmed. Stroth fucked around with this message at 10:26 on Jul 6, 2014 |
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Jul 6, 2014 07:57
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TheRagamuffin posted:I finally have an explanation for why Minsc was some bizarre ranger kit with barbarian rage. The rest of the article from which that quote is drawn is a pretty interesting read, especially the part on Xan.
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Jul 6, 2014 09:54
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Stroth posted:It's implied pretty heavily that he was originally a pirate in the seventeen hundreds until he was embraced, but who exactly was never confirmed. I think if you play a Malkavian, they actually call him "Smiling Jack" on occasion, and Jack would have the perfect cover if he was Jack Rackham, because supposedly his skeleton was hanging from a cage at a port in fort royal for a very long time, IRL history, not backwards as gently caress AC4 history
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Jul 6, 2014 16:39
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JackNapier posted:I think if you play a Malkavian, they actually call him "Smiling Jack" on occasion, and Jack would have the perfect cover if he was Jack Rackham, because supposedly his skeleton was hanging from a cage at a port in fort royal for a very long time, IRL history, not backwards as gently caress AC4 history Jack Rackham's violence tendencies and other issues would also fit in perfectly with Smiling Jack as presented in the books - he's less badass-and-cool and more rogue force of chaos/huge flaming rear end in a top hat with a wicked sense of humor. At least until the Gehenna book, where he takes up gardening for a little while.
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Jul 6, 2014 17:05
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citybeatnik posted:Jack Rackham's violence tendencies and other issues would also fit in perfectly with Smiling Jack as presented in the books - he's less badass-and-cool and more rogue force of chaos/huge flaming rear end in a top hat with a wicked sense of humor. Yeah, Jack Rackham's tendencies fit very well with our own loveable Jack, and personality wise he seems pretty similar historically, I would like to imagine whoever his sire was looked at Jack and thought to himself "He's going to wreck some poor idiots poopoo sometime in the future, and it'll be hilarious" Conversation about my favorite Bloodlines character aside, I love this thread to bits, and I've learned so much poopoo from this thread I feel like I actually know something about the White Wolf world, beyond what I've seen in Bloodlines and the god awful Hunter Reckoning game that I still have a copy of. Another edit because the question just popped into my mind, is there any real explanation on the Hunters from Reckoning and their "Creeds"? Or is it literally just "Hey, you got the poopoo kicked out of you when you were alive by life, here's some magick powers to make you feel better, go kill supernatural things" JackNapier fucked around with this message at 17:35 on Jul 6, 2014 |
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Jul 6, 2014 17:27
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JackNapier posted:whoever his sire was And yeah, Jack's attitude fits Calico Jack pretty well, but "rogue force of chaos/huge flaming rear end in a top hat with a wicked sense of humor" fits a hell of a lot of pirates form that time period. It was kind of part of the job.
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Jul 6, 2014 17:51
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JackNapier posted:Yeah, Jack Rackham's tendencies fit very well with our own loveable Jack, and personality wise he seems pretty similar historically, I would like to imagine whoever his sire was looked at Jack and thought to himself "He's going to wreck some poor idiots poopoo sometime in the future, and it'll be hilarious" You can swear here, it's okay.
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Jul 6, 2014 18:08
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apostateCourier posted:You can swear here, it's okay. Alright, I've seen a lot of posts and LP's like that and I didn't want to get probated my like first week here. And at Stroth, that's true, but from what I've seen and heard of Jack, his particular brand of Flaming rear end in a top hat Pirate fits very well with Calico Jack, that being said, as a history guy, in the world of White Wolf, who all in history has been more then human, the threads covered Dracula already, but any other big names? JackNapier fucked around with this message at 18:45 on Jul 6, 2014 |
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Jul 6, 2014 18:26
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JackNapier posted:Alright, I've seen a lot of posts and LP's like that and I didn't want to get probated my like first week here.
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Jul 6, 2014 18:30
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JT Jag posted:When you aren't logged in there's a filter. Seriously? I just figured it was a thing that was done on the forums, didn't realize it was an actual filter if you weren't logged on
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Jul 6, 2014 18:37
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Back to game talk. I had absolutely no clue what this game was when I got it, traded a buddy of it for some burnt Metallica cd's like five or six years ago, and the first clan I went for was the Malkavian, so I went through the whole game without a clue what the gently caress was going on
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Jul 6, 2014 19:20
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JackNapier posted:Alright, I've seen a lot of posts and LP's like that and I didn't want to get probated my like first week here. Heinrich Himmler is, I believe, the Tremere primogen of Berlin. Because White Wolf is loving terrible, is why.
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Jul 6, 2014 19:32
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citybeatnik posted:Heinrich Himmler is, I believe, the Tremere primogen of Berlin. Wow! Wasn't expecting that, somebody please tell me Hitler was like, a Ventrue, please, that would make me come full circle on this. Because if Himmler was a Tremere, wow, just wow
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Jul 6, 2014 19:37
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Eh, of all the Nazis, I guess I'd have Himmler down as a Tremere. We know White Wolf loving loves them some historical figures, and in all the stories about Nazi occultism, Himmler's name comes up most of the time, so I suppose he's a natural fit?
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Jul 6, 2014 19:43
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TheMcD posted:Eh, of all the Nazis, I guess I'd have Himmler down as a Tremere. We know White Wolf loving loves them some historical figures, and in all the stories about Nazi occultism, Himmler's name comes up most of the time, so I suppose he's a natural fit? Yeah, he was big into the occult, as history well pointed out, and actually designed all of the insignia for the SS, based off of old Germanic Runes, and was apparently huge into the occult and into 'aliens' so it fits he'd be a Tremere
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Jul 6, 2014 19:47
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Just because I love the little nut cases, any important Malkavians in history? Edit: I'm not gumming up the thread with really stupid basic knowledge questions, am I? JackNapier fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Jul 6, 2014 |
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Jul 6, 2014 20:04
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