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Alec Bald Snatch: Sep 12, 2012; by exmarx

A Winner is Jew posted:

Speaking of revolutionary generals, Nathanael Greene really should be mentioned more before upper level college classes.

He makes a half decent beer too.

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D_I: Aug 31, 2004

Ignatius M. Meen posted:

http://galtse.cx/ possibly

Jesus, it never ends.

# ? Jul 6, 2014 04:28

Horseshoe theory: Mar 7, 2005

Ignatius M. Meen posted:

http://galtse.cx/ possibly

Literally four times William Henry Harrison's inaugural speech in length, only Galt didn't die from pneumonia. :saddowns:

# ? Jul 6, 2014 04:32

Dante Logos: Dec 31, 2010

ThirdPartyView posted:

Important question: was Howard Roark kicked out of architecture school because he made non-euclidean designs?

My memories from high school and Cliffnotes points that this is correct. Rather than adapting to the outdates notions of architecture school, such as safety features and good taste (I may be paraphrasing), Roark is a rugged individual and goes off to design things that may or may not summon Cthulhu from the seas.

# ? Jul 6, 2014 04:40

Stultus Maximus: Dec 21, 2009; USPOL May

The Ape of Naples posted:

It's fine. Sorry I snapped. To be honest I think Rand's influence is overstated. Years, there are some rich, powerful followers of hers that have their hands in politics these days. But I think most people haven't really read her stuff. They mean to and then say gently caress it when they see how big and stupid Atlas Shrugged is. They really just like the bullet points of it. That's why the conservatives on the right really don't worry about her atheism because they don't even know it. They just love the money and selfishness. I think that's why Paul Ryan had to change is public tune on her. He's as intimately familiar with her work as he is with Rage Against the Machine.

We talk about and know more about Ayn Rand here in D&D then they do on the right. Like the bible.

EDIT: Confession time, I loved the Fountainhead when I was 17. It's still bad but definitely the "best" Ayn Rand book and a much better story. It still has the 30+ page character rambling. But at least it was more "believable".

Please, Paul Ryan is completely familiar with Rand's work. He just was counting on his supporters being ignorant. His legislative proposals vs his fake soup kitchen stunt demonstrate plain and clear which side he's on and it ain't Jesus.

# ? Jul 6, 2014 04:41

Otherkinsey Scale: Jul 17, 2012; Just a little bit of sunshine!

Raskolnikov38 posted:

That really needs goatse at the end, just as a final gently caress you for reading all of it.

I'm sure anyone who goes through the whole thing has already suffered enough.

# ? Jul 6, 2014 05:54

Joementum: May 23, 2004; jesus christ

ThirdPartyView posted:

Literally four times William Henry Harrison's inaugural speech in length, only Galt didn't die from pneumonia.

Harrison didn't either. It's turns out that the White House water supply at the time ran through a field of night soil. His symptoms were closer to a gastric disease.

# ? Jul 6, 2014 06:15

PeterWeller: Apr 21, 2003; I told you that story so I could tell you this one.

Pornographic Memory posted:

notice how we always talk about ayn rand instead of "good" "liberal" writers. checkmate libtards, where's you're enduring works of literature

We bring up that apocryphal Steinbeck quote all the drat time. Your move. :smugbert:

# ? Jul 6, 2014 06:51

Axetrain: Sep 14, 2007

Stultus Maximus posted:

Please, Paul Ryan is completely familiar with Rand's work. He just was counting on his supporters being ignorant. His legislative proposals vs his fake soup kitchen stunt demonstrate plain and clear which side he's on and it ain't Jesus.

Yeah, Ryan is clever enough to know he has to pretend to give a poo poo about Jesus in order to get elected.

# ? Jul 6, 2014 07:08

gradenko_2000: Oct 5, 2010; HELL SERPENT; Lipstick Apathy

I'm just getting to the part of James McPherson's Battle Cry of Freedom where he talks about the Know-Nothing nativists and it was pretty amusing to hear about this mostly Protestant party campaigning hard for public education, but only because the alternative was Catholic private schooling.

EDIT: Although to be fair I do acknowledge that the Papacy took a really reactionary turn during those 1850s because of the upheavals in Germany and the rest of Europe.

# ? Jul 6, 2014 07:11

Grapplejack: Nov 27, 2007

Dante Logos posted:

The Fountainhead is the same way too. A little story.

Back when I was a much less jaded and more confidant high school student, there was the contest by the Rand Corporation for high school students. The prize was ten grand, so of course I was interested. The Fountainhead was a thick book, but nothing that would really keep me. I'm sure that I can win the prize money.

Of course, not even the promise of ten grand and confidence in my victory, no matter how naive, really prepared me for that book. I was about an eighth through before I dumped it aside and wrote the contest off as not worth it.

In freshman Honors Econ 101 the teacher assigned us Atlas Shrugged to read, and when test time rolled around the two TAs that he had in there proctoring the test (he wasn't there, obviously had better things to do I guess) gave us all the answers and asked us to throw the book away when the class was over.

God bless those TAs.

# ? Jul 6, 2014 07:22

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

Grapplejack posted:

In freshman Honors Econ 101 the teacher assigned us Atlas Shrugged to read, and when test time rolled around the two TAs that he had in there proctoring the test (he wasn't there, obviously had better things to do I guess) gave us all the answers and asked us to throw the book away when the class was over.

God bless those TAs.

You should've reported the professor. If he's still working for that school, you should still report him. Email the current department chair-that's inexcusable.

# ? Jul 6, 2014 07:35

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gradenko_2000 posted:

I'm just getting to the part of James McPherson's Battle Cry of Freedom where he talks about the Know-Nothing nativists and it was pretty amusing to hear about this mostly Protestant party campaigning hard for public education, but only because the alternative was Catholic private schooling.

EDIT: Although to be fair I do acknowledge that the Papacy took a really reactionary turn during those 1850s because of the upheavals in Germany and the rest of Europe.

Pro book, all goons should read.

When I was a young and dumbass libertarian I read The Fountainhead and didn't particularly dislike it, though looking back I think it's dumb as poo poo it wasn't the worst thing I've ever read, at least. I've tried a couple of times to read Atlas Shrugged, once when I was still stupid and once after just to tear it apart, but Jesus Christ it's just loving awful. Nevermind the message, it's a bad loving book that nobody should have to ever read. Goatse at the end of Galtse wouldn't be a gently caress you, it'd be a balm, something familiar and comforting in a world of agony.

# ? Jul 6, 2014 07:38

PeterWeller: Apr 21, 2003; I told you that story so I could tell you this one.

Yeah, AS is just a downright terrible novel in addition to being an ode to unrepentant greed. The prose is flat. The dialog is a series of rambling speeches. There are a bunch of scifi conceits that may pique your nerd interest, but they amount to nothing. And the plot rambles along with no real urgency to a climax devoid of tension or excitement in which the "heroes" abandon the world to hide in the mountains.

# ? Jul 6, 2014 08:01

Dapper Dan: Dec 16, 2004; Can't post for 3 years!

PeterWeller posted:

Yeah, AS is just a downright terrible novel in addition to being an ode to unrepentant greed. The prose is flat. The dialog is a series of rambling speeches. There are a bunch of scifi conceits that may pique your nerd interest, but they amount to nothing. And the plot rambles along with no real urgency to a climax devoid of tension or excitement in which the "heroes" abandon the world to hide in the mountains.

The worst thing about it is that Ayn Rand should just be a footnote, an odd eccentric who wrote horrible, laughable garbage that shouldn't be taken seriously, much less followed. Just like L. Ron Hubbard should. But instead, just like L. Ron Hubbard, she has her own little cult that worships the ground she walks on and believes her philosophy whole heatedly. Too bad she wasn't out to bilk people of money, but instead we have to suffer because these stupid fucks actually want to implement her flawed, useless philosophy as policy.

# ? Jul 6, 2014 08:19

Discendo Vox: Mar 21, 2013; This does not make sense when, again, aggregate indicia also indicate improvements. The belief that things are worse is false. It remains false.

There are reasons why the book is popular, and why it's so painful to read now- it's not intended to be an effective expressive piece, it's an indoctrination tool. Atlas Shrugged is a very carefully designed rhetorical narrative designed to appeal to the disaffected, sheltered and self-absorbed. The book succeeds when the target self-identifies with John Galt. If you believe that your fellows aren't as rational as you are, and that you're isolated and alone, if you feel like society contains a lot of wasted potential, there are parts of the book designed to get the hooks of objectivism into your brain and make you self-identify with it. In the cases where this happens, the speech at the end is basically lovebombing, and it effectively seals the indoctrination the book is aiming for.

This happens more often than we'd like, and we're all vulnerable to it. Just about everyone goes through a mildly narcissistic phase when they're young or vulnerable, and during those times the book can be a very effective ideological vector. There's a reason the Institute has a contest for high schoolers and college students! Hence my comments about the econ professor above. Atlas Shrugged isn't just hot garbage beloved by idiots, it's a brainwashing tool.

# ? Jul 6, 2014 08:34

Shbobdb: Dec 16, 2010; by Reene

ThirdPartyView posted:

Important question: was Howard Roark kicked out of architecture school because he made non-euclidean designs?

It is easy to think that based on the book, but Rand was a huge fan of Frank Lloyd Wright and Usonian design. So while Roark is hating on linear lines and greek columns, he isn't making Chthulu-structures. It's erotic fanfiction, where FLW thinks all sex is rape (and that is sexy as hell).

# ? Jul 6, 2014 08:51

Dapper Dan: Dec 16, 2004; Can't post for 3 years!

Discendo Vox posted:

This happens more often than we'd like, and we're all vulnerable to it. Just about everyone goes through a mildly narcissistic phase when they're young or vulnerable, and during those times the book can be a very effective ideological vector. There's a reason the Institute has a contest for high schoolers and college students! Hence my comments about the econ professor above. Atlas Shrugged isn't just hot garbage beloved by idiots, it's a brainwashing tool.

Pretty much like Dianetics and such. But still, I have little sympathy and no respect for anyone indoctrinated by such an openly sociopathtic philosophy.

EDIT:

I should mention, past the youth phase when it is easy to be caught up in something. The 'true believers', those that desire to inflict it on all others, which basically means putting your boot on the throat of the everyone not rich and powerful.

Dapper Dan fucked around with this message at 09:22 on Jul 6, 2014

# ? Jul 6, 2014 09:12

FAUXTON: Jun 2, 2005; spero che tu stia bene

Shbobdb posted:

Rand was a huge fan of Frank Lloyd Wright and Usonian design.

GOD DAMNIT.

# ? Jul 6, 2014 09:20

moller: Jan 10, 2007; Swan stole my music and framed me!

FAUXTON posted:

GOD DAMNIT.

Hitler liked puppies.

# ? Jul 6, 2014 09:23

SkySteak: Sep 9, 2010

FAUXTON posted:

GOD DAMNIT.

If you can't enjoy anything, based on someone bad enjoying it too, then good luck liking anything.

# ? Jul 6, 2014 09:27

FAUXTON: Jun 2, 2005; spero che tu stia bene

moller posted:

Hitler liked puppies.

"Puppies" is a far less specific thing than Wright's architectural style, it isn't like saying "oh, I like puppies" suddenly makes your audience wonder how deep into Nazism you are.

e: And it isn't like I'm going to stop absolutely loving Wright's style. It's just frustrating that eventually at some point in my life I'll have to explain that I'm not in league with old shithead Rand's masturbatory pseudointellectualism. A good number of my friends are engineer/programming types, with more than one already having tried to pawn their lovely copy of Atlas Shrugged off to me like they're some sort of deranged self-obsessed JWs.

FAUXTON fucked around with this message at 09:32 on Jul 6, 2014

# ? Jul 6, 2014 09:28

Shageletic: Jul 25, 2007

Well this was bound to happen.

quote:

This week, in the Hobby Lobby case, the Supreme Court ruled that a religious employer could not be required to provide employees with certain types of contraception. That decision is beginning to reverberate: A group of faith leaders is urging the Obama administration to include a religious exemption in a forthcoming LGBT anti-discrimination action.

Their call, in a letter sent to the White House Tuesday, attempts to capitalize on the Supreme Court case by arguing that it shows the administration must show more deference to the prerogatives of religion.

"We are asking that an extension of protection for one group not come at the expense of faith communities whose religious identity and beliefs motivate them to serve those in need," the letter states.

The Hobby Lobby decision has been welcomed by religious-right groups who accuse Obama of waging a war on religion. But Tuesday's letter is different: It comes from a group of faith leaders who are generally friendly to the administration, many of whom have closely advised the White House on issues like immigration reform. The letter was organized by Michael Wear, who worked in the Obama White House and directed faith outreach for the president's 2012 campaign. Signers include two members of Catholics for Obama and three former members of the President�s Advisory Council on Faith-Based and Neighborhood Partnerships.

"This is not an antagonistic letter by any means," Wear told me. But in the wake of Hobby Lobby, he said, "the administration does have a decision to make whether they want to recalibrate their approach to some of these issues."

Last week, the administration announced it would issue an executive order banning federal contractors from discriminating on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity, a reform long sought by gay-rights groups. Such an order would essentially impose on contractors the provisions of the proposed Employment Non-Discrimination Act, which passed the Senate but hasn't been taken up by the House.

But the text of the order has not yet been released, so it is not known whether it will include a religious exemption. (A White House spokesman declined to discuss the order.) ENDA, the proposed federal legislation, does include such an exemption: It specifically does not apply to a broad array of faith-based organizations, from churches to religious-service groups to religious newspapers, meaning those groups could still decline to hire gay or transgender people if they believe it conflicts with their faith. The exemption was included despite fears from some LGBT activists that it could constitute a license to discriminate.

Balancing religious freedom with other concerns, be they gay rights or health-care mandates, is difficult, said Stephen Schneck, director of the Institute for Policy Research and Catholic Studies at Catholic University and a signatory to the letter. The faith community simply wants to make sure its side is heard and respected as the administration tries to thread this delicate needle.

"It would be nice if we had just a little bit more leverage," said Schneck, a onetime cochair of Catholics for Obama. "I am a very strong supporter of LGBT rights, and I am really excited about the prospect of extending provisions against discrimination in federal contracts. But I am also aware that this is an issue that provokes real differences among some of the most important religious organization on the front lines of providing care for the poorest and most vulnerable." Those groups, he said, need to be allowed to work with the government while following the dictates of their faith.

To these religious leaders, Hobby Lobby ought to prompt the White House to reexamine the way it weights religious rights against other priorities. Liberals opposed to the decision, on the other hand, argue it creates a slippery slope to more and more carve-outs from important legislation for claims based on faith. This executive order could be the next battleground for those competing points of view.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/07/hobby-lobby-is-already-creating-new-religious-demands-on-obama/373853/

Just a reminder: faith based organizations are still the most used tool for federal expenditures to help the needy, and governmental monies are still the number one source of funding for the organizations.

EDIT: And speaking of faith based organizations, here's an interesting piece on why the immigration bill died last week, when it had near unanimous support among all major religious lobbies.

quote:

Most faith traditions have lobbies in Washington advocating for their priorities in the public square. In our current configuration of religious interest groups, we find significant overlap with party politics. Mainline Protestant elites are overwhelmingly liberal, and join ethnic minority faith groups in supporting the Democrats on most issues. White evangelicals and Latter-Day Saints are uniformly in the GOP camp. The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops and a smaller group of moderate evangelicals are the most legitimately nonpartisan, supporting conservative policies on human sexuality and siding with liberals on most everything else.

It�s significant, then, that religious leaders are nearly unanimous in their support of immigration reform. Mainline and black Protestants rarely regard Southern Baptists and Mormons as political allies. Yet leaders from all these faith traditions and many more supported the bipartisan bill that the Senate passed 68-32 in June 2013.

Perhaps some of this unanimity arises out of practical concerns. Immigrants play a vital and growing role in American congregations. This trend will only accelerate as whites lapse at higher rates than nonwhites. In recognition of the family cohesion and human dignity issues at stake, however, faith leaders of all stripes joined hands with each other and with law enforcement and business groups to seek House action on the Senate-passed bill.

Faith-based advocacy organizations in D.C. tend to cluster into like-minded groups. Evangelicals work together on life and marriage issues, Mainliners work together on peace and justice issues, etc. Each side teams up with the Catholic bishops when they can. Coalitions frequently emerge within, but not always between, these categories.

The National Immigration Forum connected religious advocates to the broader reform coalition. The Forum�s breadth is reflected in its board, which draws from diverse immigrant, business, and religious groups. Ali Noorani, the Forum�s executive director, helped bring the faith community into partnership with advocates like the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and media mogul Steve Case. An ad hoc network, Bibles, Badges & Business, represents the diversity of the pro-reform lobby.

If not for the involvement of conservative evangelicals, the religious coalition on immigration reform would have looked like it does on most other issues of economic justice: mainline and ethnic minority Protestant groups joining Jewish and Catholic organizations in supporting policies to protect the poor and vulnerable in the face of silence�and, not infrequently, opposition�from the Christian right. Though the political and theological distance between conservative and moderate evangelicals has grown considerably over the past generation, prominent leaders and groups from both camps formed another ad hoc organization, the Evangelical Immigration Table, to underscore their shared commitment to honor the Bible�s clarion call to welcome the stranger.

This near-unanimous coalition included, of course, Hispanic evangelicals, a group growing in size and influence, and one which naturally has the most visceral personal connections to the immigration issue. The Rev. Gabriel Salguero and the Rev. Samuel Rodriguez, both well known among Hispanic evangelicals as pastors and activists, have broadened their national prominence as faith leaders urgently advocating for immigration reform.

In spite of this dynamic coalition, nativist House Republicans hamstrung their impotent Speaker into notifying the president that immigration reform is dead. How can this be?

That the House GOP would defy not only business interests, but also their core constituency (white evangelicals) and a growing demographic (Hispanics) for whose votes they should aspire to compete shows how far the ruling Tea Party wing of the party has strayed from sane politics and practical, Main Street conservatism.

Immigration�s failure adds credence to Thomas Mann and Norm Ornstein�s argument that the rightward shift of the Republican Party has hampered effective governance. These longtime D.C. analysts argue that extremist influences cause the GOP to refuse even modest compromises and prevent majorities of the people and their representatives from enacting sensible policies and reforms.

To the chagrin of my friends who have labored so tirelessly on immigration reform, I agree with others who argue that, at least among white evangelicals, it has been more of a top-down effort than a grassroots movement. Some rank-and-file evangelicals may have switched their position or even advocated for reform. But in the aggregate, immigration reform is not a salient issue for white evangelicals. Obviously, few Republican congressmen fear losing voters over opposing it.

Republicans are having a vigorous debate about whether or not to make serious appeals to the growing Hispanic electorate. Some argue that the idea that Hispanics are a swing constituency is an illusion. In that case, the best plan is to maximize the white vote and to avoid naturalizing immigrants. This line of thinking may have merit in the very short term, but is perilous for the GOP�s future. Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) and others argue that if the GOP blocks immigration reform, it hurts its electoral prospects in 2016 and beyond.

The truth is that, for all religious advocates� work on immigration reform, electoral considerations and ideological preferences are paramount for Members of Congress. Even so, faith leaders deserve our thanks for their commendable advocacy on behalf of a mostly voiceless, often invisible constituency. As broken as our politics have become, it may be a good idea to keep these leaders around. Maybe they know someone who can help us.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/07/06/even-conservative-evangelical-support-couldn-t-save-immigration-reform.html

Shageletic fucked around with this message at 13:50 on Jul 6, 2014

# ? Jul 6, 2014 13:19

Party Plane Jones: Jul 1, 2007; by Reene; Fun Shoe

D_I posted:

Jesus, it never ends.

The scrollbar isn't really an indication of just how long the whole thing is, it's about 20 pages from what I recall.

# ? Jul 6, 2014 14:16

woke wedding drone: Jun 1, 2003; by exmarx; Fun Shoe

FAUXTON posted:

GOD DAMNIT.

He totally designed a house for her. But where is it? It's where her money was, which is nowhere.

# ? Jul 6, 2014 14:29

Sir Tonk: Apr 18, 2006; Young Orc

Party Plane Jones posted:

The scrollbar isn't really an indication of just how long the whole thing is, it's about 20 pages from what I recall.

I thought it was like 80 pages, but I haven't read it in like fifteen years. I just remember it being too long to read in one sitting.

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Ignatius M. Meen posted:

http://galtse.cx/ possibly

"I swear-by my life and my love of it-that I will never read Atlas Shrugged for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to read Atlas Shrugged for mine."

Sir Tonk fucked around with this message at 14:55 on Jul 6, 2014

# ? Jul 6, 2014 14:52

Nissin Cup Nudist: Sep 3, 2011; Sleep with one eye open

We're off to Gritty Gritty land

The only Rand I ever read was Anthem and I kinda liked it, I think. Granted, it was in 7 or 8 grade and all her dumb philosophy poo poo flew over my head. And it was only 100 pages, which owned.

# ? Jul 6, 2014 15:56

Ghost of Reagan Past: Oct 7, 2003; rock and roll fun

DOOP posted:

The only Rand I ever read was Anthem and I kinda liked it, I think. Granted, it was in 7 or 8 grade and all her dumb philosophy poo poo flew over my head. And it was only 100 pages, which owned.

Read We by Yevgeny Zamyatin.

Rand ripped it off pretty transparently and We is a much, much better book.

# ? Jul 6, 2014 16:04

ReindeerF: Apr 20, 2002; Rubber Dinghy Rapids Bro

My trains...
Your steel ...

# ? Jul 6, 2014 16:09

made of bees: May 21, 2013

I never read any Rand but I used to listen to '2112' a lot a few years back, I hear that's pretty close to a Rand novel.

# ? Jul 6, 2014 16:13

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

So what the gently caress is going on at ABC news? They devoted a full 12 minutes to basically an ad for convicted felon Denesh D'sousa's new film, not mentioning that he's a convicted felon of course. . Then they let the man himself come on the show spouting rantings about some kind of conspiracy involving Saul Olinksy... Martha Raditz ended the segment with "everyone should go see this film!." Is this real life?

# ? Jul 6, 2014 16:35

Sir Tonk: Apr 18, 2006; Young Orc

Kinda odd that Raddatz would plug D'Souza. Apparently Perry was on this morning blaming Obama for the border issues as well.

# ? Jul 6, 2014 17:06

mcmagic: Jul 1, 2004; If you see this avatar while scrolling the succ zone, you have been visited by the mcmagic of shitty lib takes! Good luck and prosperity will come to you, but only if you reply "shut the fuck up mcmagic" to this post!

Sir Tonk posted:

Kinda odd that Raddatz would plug D'Souza. Apparently Perry was on this morning blaming Obama for the border issues as well.

Yeah Perry was on with his hipster glasses spouting all kinds of insanity about some conspiracy where the administration wants people to cross the border because ?????.

# ? Jul 6, 2014 17:19

Big Hubris: Mar 8, 2011

Shbobdb posted:

It is easy to think that based on the book, but Rand was a huge fan of Frank Lloyd Wright and Usonian design.

Not that you can tell from her writing or their interactions with each other.

# ? Jul 6, 2014 18:04

Alec Bald Snatch: Sep 12, 2012; by exmarx

mcmagic posted:

So what the gently caress is going on at ABC news? They devoted a full 12 minutes to basically an ad for convicted felon Denesh D'sousa's new film, not mentioning that he's a convicted felon of course. . Then they let the man himself come on the show spouting rantings about some kind of conspiracy involving Saul Olinksy... Martha Raditz ended the segment with "everyone should go see this film!." Is this real life?

Apparently the big twist in this one is Hillary Clinton is Saul Alinsky's chosen disciple instead of the Kenyan usurper. Just in time for 2016!

# ? Jul 6, 2014 18:29

Horseshoe theory: Mar 7, 2005

comes along bort posted:

Apparently the big twist in this one is Hillary Clinton is Saul Alinsky's chosen disciple instead of the Kenyan usurper. Just in time for 2016!

Reminds me of this classic scene:

quote:

Eli Sunday: This� I must have this, Daniel, I must, I must, I must, I must, I must have this. My investments have... Daniel I won�t bore you but, if I could grab the Lord�s hand for help I would but He does these things all the time, these mysteries that He presents and while we wait! While we wait for His word!
Plainview: Because you're not the chosen brother, Eli. 'Twas Paul who was chosen. See he found me and told me about your land, you're just a fool.
Eli Sunday: Why are you talking about Paul? Don�t say this to me.
Plainview: I did what your brother couldn't, I broke you and I beat you. It was Paul told me about you, he's the prophet, he's the smart one. He knew what was there, he found me to take it out of the ground. You know what the funny thing is? Listen, listen, listen-- I paid him $10,000 cash in hand, just like that. He has his own company now. Prosperous little business. Three wells producing $5000 a week.
[Eli weeps]
Plainview: Stop crying, you sniveling rear end! Stop your nonsense! You're just the afterbirth, Eli, slithered out on your mother's filth. They should have put you in glass jar on a mantelpiece. Where were you when Paul was suckling at his mother's teat, eh? Where were you? Who was nursing you, poor Eli, one of Bandy's sows? That land has been had, there�s nothing you can do about it. It�s gone, had.

# ? Jul 6, 2014 18:32

Faustian Bargain: Apr 12, 2014

I just read CNN's Boehner op-ed about why he's suing Obama and I can't believe he is really framing it as Republicans have tried to do things and it's Obama and the Democrats that have been ignoring them and doing nothing :what:

# ? Jul 6, 2014 19:17

Horseshoe theory: Mar 7, 2005

Faustian Bargain posted:

I just read CNN's Boehner op-ed about why he's suing Obama and I can't believe he is really framing it as Republicans have tried to do things and it's Obama and the Democrats that have been ignoring them and doing nothing

He's done things: he's voted to repeal the PPACA 10,000,000 times now! :downs:

# ? Jul 6, 2014 19:18

A Winner is Jew: Feb 14, 2008; by exmarx

Faustian Bargain posted:

I just read CNN's Boehner op-ed about why he's suing Obama and I can't believe he is really framing it as Republicans have tried to do things and it's Obama and the Democrats that have been ignoring them and doing nothing

Obamas response should just be "It is the stated policy of the US that we do not negotiate with terrorists", drop the mic and then kick a door down.

# ? Jul 6, 2014 19:23

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# ? Jun 7, 2024 05:44

ShadowCatboy: Jan 22, 2006; by FactsAreUseless

Welp, I touched the poop and started up a couple facebook debates with some libertarians. I pointed out that part of the reason health care costs were so high was because the underutilized primary care in the US meant higher costs when catastrophic medical consequences result. His response?

"I think that's a rather superficial and simplistic analysis of the economic causality relevant to the situation. Mandated coverage of anything tends to cause the cost of those things to skyrocket. What you say would be true under freedom, but not when force is involved."

At this point I'm starting to realize that I'm talking to a dewy-eyed idealistic manchild, because he apparently thinks FREEDOM is some mystical force of of the universe like karma or the Tao. I pointed out that regulations can be good or bad, and how heavily an industry should be regulated depends on what guidelines it needs to follow to be maximally effective while not imposing too great a burden on society. Basically, I argued that you have to take these things on a case-by-case basis, instead of lumping it into one magical theory of "regulations bad! FREEDOM!" After all, universal laws work very well for very simple systems, but as things get more complex those laws have less and less utility. He had this to say:

"I have neither the time nor the interest to disabuse you of the numerous fallacies in your posts. Your "cited" "facts" are wrong, and your allergy to conceptualization (and your fetish around disintegration) is telling. It certainly doesn't entice me to engage with you any further."

Analyzing an issue in detail? Trying to understand the individual components of something and how they function in context? That's just an "allergy to conceptualization and a fetish for disintegration!" :psyduck:

Basically, the one common observation I see with libertarians (and many Conservatives in general) is that they are idealists first and realists only very far down the line. They operate on the ideal of absolute freedom, but have no empirical understanding of how those ideals might ethically conflict in real-world scenarios. They think that "THIS is how X should work" on a purely theoretical level, but never consider the logistics of operation and what sort of stumbling blocks can keep that theory from working in practical reality.

Over the years I've gotten the impression that conservative thinking has been reduced to the mindset of angsty teenagers: they're so invested in how they think the world should operate that they don't bother to work with how it does, even if it leads to them harming themselves in the long run. All their protests of stubbornly refusing to buy health insurance, guzzling soda and gorging on donuts, and blasting exhaust fumes all over the street whenever they see a Prius smacks of "NO DAD DON'T YOU TELL ME WHAT TO DO!" It's like dealing with a brat who gets nose piercings, tattoos, and smokes just because "it's MY BODY I'll do whatever I want with it!" It's kinda cute in that cheeky way when they're 16 and you know it's just a phase, but it's much less endearing when they're in their mid-to-late 40s and wheeling around in rascals to the voting booths. Their protests aren't about the social benefits of their theories, it's all about spiting authorities in order to express their individualism.

Basically, I'm saying conservatives are literally manchildren and they need to grow the gently caress up.

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