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Just finished watching the whole season over about 3 days. I actually liked it a lot more than I expected to. Some general comments; 1) Billy Piper as an actor can be (to be charitable) passable. Shes a better actress than she was a singer anyway. But jesus christ she cannot do accents, at all. She struggled to sound working class as Rose in doctor who, to ask her to layer working class and irish together was just cruel. They should either have cast an irish actress (or a british actress who can do a half decent irish accent without swinging between terry wogan and ian paisley within the same sentence) or changed the character so she wasnt irish because her nationality wasnt actually relevant to anything at any point. I'm hoping that being the bride of frankenstein(s monster) means that she can drop the accent entirely. 2) If your actor doesnt want to show skin, maybe just shoot the sex scene in such a way that no skin is on show rather than using the the worlds most obvious body double. That poo poo was just amateur hour directing. 3) I kind of liked that although it was plainly obvious that Ethan was an American Werewolf in London from very early on they didnt actually reveal it until the end of the last episode. I was expecting it to be during the fight against the main vampire so was suprised when that didnt happen. 4) I'm guessing the idea for what Frankenstines Monster would look like changed between writing the script and actually filming. All the stuff about his horrific visage that most people couldnt bear to look at felt really odd when he just looked like a chubby goth with some slight scarring near his ear that was covered by his hair 90% of the time. 5) Someone told me before I watched it that "its basically LoXG the TV show" but I didnt realise it was going to be right down to "Aging British explorer of africa played by ex-Bond actor". Still, it was better than LoXG the movie (though not as good as the comic). 6) Considering he was in every episode, maybe it would be nice if the black guy got a fourth line of dialogue at some point early in S2. Honorific! posted:Maybe I'm dumb and everyone else thinks this is obvious, but did Sir Malcom mean that he was Vanessa's real father? Or just that he still cared about her like a father in spite of everything? I honestly couldn't tell. In the episode with the exorcism, in the same dialogue as the bit about trusting people Ethan told Sir Malcom that "if its a daughter you are looking for, you have one in there" or words to that effect. I'm pretty sure that bit was just him accepting what he had been told, that because they trusted each other and relied on each other that he had grown to care for her like a daughter.
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I wanted to enjoy it, but it was a hot mess.
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Jul 6, 2014 11:34
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My roommate and I watched the pilot the week it came out, but although intriguing, it was a bit messy and didn't quite capture us. We eventually continued this weekend and watched the remaining episodes in 2 sittings. It really hits its stride in episodes 2 and 3, but the final scene of the season finale was a bit strange for us. Why would a priest suggest that being possessed by the devil is a good thing? Also, what was the point of giving Billie Piper an Irish accent? 
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Jul 8, 2014 01:09
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Josh Lyman posted:Why would a priest suggest that being possessed by the devil is a good thing? I don't think he ever suggested it was a good thing, but simply that it could feel good to the one possessed. He was warning Ms. Ives against that temptation, and the risk of half-assing an exorcism.
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Jul 8, 2014 01:26
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SiKboy posted:2) If your actor doesnt want to show skin, maybe just shoot the sex scene in such a way that no skin is on show rather than using the the worlds most obvious body double. That poo poo was just amateur hour directing. There was a body double?
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Jul 8, 2014 02:15
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Sober posted:There was a body double? Yeah I'm not sure who he's talking about. Where there even any lots-of-skin sex scenes in this show other than white-eyes Vanessa having a go with Lucifer?
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Jul 8, 2014 02:53
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The conversation at the end between Vanessa and the priest is pretty blatantly a hook for the next season, I didn't interpret it as anything beyond that. It's Logan telling the audience (and Showtime greenlighters), "So do you want to go for Season 2?"
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Jul 8, 2014 02:53
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Kazanir posted:Yeah I'm not sure who he's talking about. Where there even any lots-of-skin sex scenes in this show other than white-eyes Vanessa having a go with Lucifer? It's got to be either that or Rose's blood coughing sex with Dorian. Which was the grossest thing ever btw.
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Jul 8, 2014 05:57
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Kazanir posted:Yeah I'm not sure who he's talking about. Where there even any lots-of-skin sex scenes in this show other than white-eyes Vanessa having a go with Lucifer?
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Jul 8, 2014 06:00
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Sober posted:The reason I'm confused is because he's probably talking about Billy Piper or Eva Green, but both of them have already gone topless long before this so why you would need a body double is beyond me. Billie Piper. The sex scene with Ethan isnt even subtle about it. And By not subtle I mean you literally see the body doubles face at least once and she has waaaaay smaller teeth than Billie.
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Jul 8, 2014 09:57
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bryn987 posted:The reason is that Penny Dreadful is just not as good as GOT. My brother and I have the same tastes in shows and he loves PD while I'm still on the fence.
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Jul 9, 2014 13:53
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hahaha losers.
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Jul 9, 2014 14:03
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Sober posted:The reason I'm confused is because he's probably talking about Billy Piper or Eva Green, but both of them have already gone topless long before this so why you would need a body double is beyond me. Actors often change their mind about nudity, or request large pay raises for doing it. Even if they've done it before. Piper was pretty obviously a body double when nude in sex scenes.
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Jul 9, 2014 15:05
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Josh Lyman posted:Penny Dreadful also has a name that is confusing and mildly off-putting to American audiences. Eh I kinda doubt that. Penny Dreadful, even if you don't know what a penny dreadful actually is, does a decent job of getting the fact that it's cheap horror across. It's no Peaky Blinders, at least.
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VDay posted:Eh I kinda doubt that. Penny Dreadful, even if you don't know what a penny dreadful actually is, does a decent job of getting the fact that it's cheap horror across. It's no Peaky Blinders, at least.
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Jul 9, 2014 17:32
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Josh Lyman posted:Yes, but I'm talking about people who haven't seen the show. Convincing them to watch something called "Penny Dreadful" is not the easiest sell. "It's got James Bond shanking an egyptian vampire in the first episode" it's a pretty easy sell though.
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Jul 9, 2014 17:40
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Vincent posted:"It's got James Bond* shanking an egyptian vampire in the first episode" it's a pretty easy sell though. *no, not the good one. Timothy Dalton. He was in, like, two of them before Pierce Brosnan.
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Jul 9, 2014 17:51
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IMO Dalton is tied with Connery for best Bond, he was awesome even if the films themselves weren't so great.
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Jul 9, 2014 19:57
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I actually quite like the messiness of it all, it's basically a weird pulp horror hodgepodge novel in 55-minute episodes so I guess they succeeded at what they were trying to accomplish? I can watch Timothy Dalton chew scenery playing an awful human being that is also one of the "good guys" any time so I'm game for season 2. Let's just hope Frankensteins procedure cures bad accents!
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Jul 9, 2014 20:23
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It turns out that I am the kind of guy who can enjoy a TV show a lot more because ooh! A Mauser C96! You just know this is because one of the writers played Resident Evil 4.
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Jul 9, 2014 20:30
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Dalton was Bond right from the original books. He nailed that character.
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Jul 9, 2014 22:16
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Dalton is the poo poo and is the only reason I could make it through this drat show. It's rare to find an actor who can save nearly any piece of lovely dialogue.
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Jul 9, 2014 22:20
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grilldos posted:Dalton is the poo poo and is the only reason I could make it through this drat show. It's rare to find an actor who can save nearly any piece of lovely dialogue. I'll never understand how someone can dislike a show that much and still watch an entire season. Like why would even bother?
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Jul 9, 2014 22:44
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Not finishing out a season of a show is like bailing on a listen of an album after two songs, especially when it's a first season and only 8 episodes. Anything can redeem itself in the final act. And watching with friends can make anything entertaining.
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I've stopped in the middle of episode 8 because Caliban just got into mum's makeup and I am laughing my rear end off, but now he's behind Maud and this can't possibly end well  e: I WAS RIGHT. CALIBAN IS THE WORST. e2: This means we don't get the only worthwhile part of Caliban's worthless existence on this show, Vincent. I also see that the entire reason they did it was so the important people wouldn't have to interact with him when they raided the theatre. e3: PULL THE TRIGGER VICTOR. PULL THE TRIGGER. Moving on, that scene between Malcolm and Vanessa after he kills Mina is genuinely touching. Dalton and Green are both amazing actors. I will also miss Ethan just being a totally normal human being who was just really good with a gun, but now we have a werewolf gunslinger who at the very start of the series pulled apart a poor mother and her little girl like Mrs. Potato Heads. I mean, it wasn't subtle at all, but for once I wish they'd surprise me. Four Score fucked around with this message at 11:34 on Jul 10, 2014 |
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First Bass posted:I've stopped in the middle of episode 8 because Caliban just got into mum's makeup and I am laughing my rear end off, but now he's behind Maud and this can't possibly end well If you are looking for subtle you came to the wrong place.
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grilldos posted:Dalton is the poo poo and is the only reason I could make it through this drat show. It's rare to find an actor who can save nearly any piece of lovely dialogue. Chicanery.
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First Bass posted:I will also miss Ethan just being a totally normal human being who was just really good with a gun, but now we have a werewolf gunslinger who at the very start of the series pulled apart a poor mother and her little girl like Mrs. Potato Heads. I mean, it wasn't subtle at all, but for once I wish they'd surprise me. We don't yet know for a fact that that was him what done the murders, it could a different American Werewolf in London™ or his uncle or something.
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One Swell Foop posted:We don't yet know for a fact that that was him what done the murders, it could a different American Werewolf in London™ or his uncle or something. Maybe not the first one, but in his absinthe flashback/montage he sees the woman from the park with the apple.
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Jul 10, 2014 18:52
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I guess it's ambiguous enough to wiggle out of later but yeah Ethan pretty blatantly eats people in his spare time.
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Flesh Forge posted:IMO Dalton is tied with Connery for best Bond, he was awesome even if the films themselves weren't so great. It's a widely regarded "Bond Law" that every guy who gets to play him needs three movies for people to start liking him in the role. Dalton only got two. If he'd been allowed to play him in "Goldeneye," everyone would've forgotten about his first two mediocre films. Same goes with Craig's Bond. People weren't able to like a 'violent' moody Bond until he had the 'coming of age' in Skyfall. Now he gets to be cold yet witty like everyone likes.
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Same goes with Craig's Bond. People weren't able to like a 'violent' moody Bond until he had the 'coming of age' in Skyfall. Now he gets to be cold yet witty like everyone likes. I thought everybody loved Casino Royale though, and said it was a return to form for Bond after the silliness of the latter Brosnan years (which were almost rivaling the campiness of Roger Moore's era)? It was Quantum of Solace that people didn't like. Edit: Man, now I wanna rewatch Casino Royale.
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Jul 11, 2014 09:19
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Opinions were split originally on Casino Royale but they've fairweathered back into people liking it because of Skyfall.
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Jul 11, 2014 09:30
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BIG HEADLINE posted:Opinions were split originally on Casino Royale but they've fairweathered back into people liking it because of Skyfall. Nah, Casino Royale was real well received. 95% on rottentomatoes. Anyway, on Dalton, I haven't seen either of his Bond films, but all the high praise of his performance makes me want to check them out. Which one is the better of the two?
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Jul 11, 2014 09:36
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There's two, just watch them both? 
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Jul 11, 2014 09:40
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I agree he should just watch both, but in my opinion The Living Daylights is the superior of the two films. License to Kill tried something different and a little more personal for Bond though.
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Jul 11, 2014 09:45
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Then watch him basically play a Bond villain in the Rocketeer right after you watch those two. Then watch Hot Fuzz because that's a funny movie and he's perfectly over-the-top in it. Man, Timothy Dalton's had a pretty awesome career.
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Jul 11, 2014 09:50
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Skeesix posted:If you are looking for subtle you came to the wrong place.
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VDay posted:Then watch him basically play a Bond villain in the Rocketeer right after you watch those two. Then watch Hot Fuzz because that's a funny movie and he's perfectly over-the-top in it. And going toe to toe in scenery chewing with Brian Blessed in Flash Gordon.
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Jerusalem posted:I agree he should just watch both, but in my opinion The Living Daylights is the superior of the two films. License to Kill tried something different and a little more personal for Bond though. I love License to Kill. It is a really great '80s action movie, the problem many people seem to have with it is that it's probably the least Bond "Bond film" ever. It could easily be a generic action movie, except for the Q stuff. Speaking of, anybody who likes Desmond Llewelyn, this is his very best Bond film.
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