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Cythereal posted:
OK, that's just Galactica.
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FlamingLiberal posted:Why are the Klingons turning into the Chimera from the Freespace series now Shivans?
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Jul 7, 2014 17:31
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Yeah I meant to recheck that name since it's been like 10 years since I played one of those
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Jul 7, 2014 17:40
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The Klingons have very few ships compared to the Federation in STO, and about a third of their endgame tier ships are loaners from the Orions, Gorn, and Nausicaans. The Romulans have almost as much variety as the Klingons at endgame, and Romulan ships as a general rule are very good, as opposed to the generally outdated and underpowered Klingon ships. Bear in mind that the Romulans were introduced significantly later than the Klingons. The KDF gets a lot of loaner ships from their vassals in general because in PvE the Orions, Gorn, and Nausicaans are all encountered separately from the Klingons and have their own ships. They've been slowly dripping into the KDF roster of playable ships. More entries from the KDF: The Qin, a raptor - a middle stablemate between the battlecruisers and birds of prey.  The Tor'kaht, a Vor'cha variant.  The Qu'Daj, a Negh'var variant.  The Phalanx, another loaner from the Gorn.  The Marauder, another loaner from the Orions.  And the Scourge, a Nausicaan loaner. 
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Jul 7, 2014 17:57
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Cythereal posted:Kar'fi class carrier, captured from the fleets of Klingon hell and their demonic crews (yes, really) I don't care if its non-canon, Klingons are metal as hell.
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Jul 7, 2014 18:12
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I view the conglomerate "Klingon" races of STO as something akin to the Mongols who, at the height of their empire, took in anyone who was loyal and delivered results. Christian, Muslim, Chinese, whatever; if you did a good job for the Khan, you were in. And the Mongols were one of the original TOS-ers inspirations for Klingon culture, an inspiration that was lost when they turned into Space Berserkers. I'm probably reading too much into it.
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Jul 7, 2014 18:19
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FuturePastNow posted:I view the conglomerate "Klingon" races of STO as something akin to the Mongols who, at the height of their empire, took in anyone who was loyal and delivered results. Christian, Muslim, Chinese, whatever; if you did a good job for the Khan, you were in. And the Mongols were one of the original TOS-ers inspirations for Klingon culture, an inspiration that was lost when they turned into Space Berserkers. I think the thought process was more like "We want to give Klingon faction players multiple races like the Federation, but we never saw any non-Klingons on Klingon ships in the shows, so let's give them some minor antagonist races." The Klingons in STO include the Orions and Letheans, who voluntarily allied themselves with the Empire, and the Gorn and Nausicaans, who were conquered and vassalized.
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Jul 7, 2014 18:38
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They're called the Klingon empire, it was a little strange we never really saw any conquered planets or peoples on screen.
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Jul 7, 2014 19:19
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OtherworldlyInvader posted:They're called the Klingon empire, it was a little strange we never really saw any conquered planets or peoples on screen. The Mind's Eye involves a planet whose Klingon governor is fighting an insurrection, and I don't think the insurgents were Klingons.
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Jul 7, 2014 19:22
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Number_6 posted:Seriously? Look at that awful, sharp 90-degree bend in the nacelle struts. That pregnant belly. The fat, squat neck. The deflector dish that is recessed so far that it couldn't deflect the gravel from the back wheels of a Winnebago. I challenge you to combat by Anbo-jyutsu. To the death.
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Jul 7, 2014 19:52
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I finished Enterprise. Wow, Sirtis really did just forget (or care to use) Troi's accent. And I didn't realize (until I saw it) this was in reference to a mid-series TNG episode.
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Jul 7, 2014 20:20
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Cojawfee posted:Someone please make a Vince McMahon GIF of the Excelsior.  Not so big as her Captain, I think.
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Jul 7, 2014 20:25
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OtherworldlyInvader posted:They're called the Klingon empire, it was a little strange we never really saw any conquered planets or peoples on screen. Before Enterprise's dumb Klingon Augment arc my explanation for why there were smooth-headed Klingons in TOS was because those "Klingons" were actually a different species, vassals to the Klingon Empire, who overthrew the ruling power and took control of the empire for a century or so during a period of civil strife. A powerful Klingon family, maybe Duras or whatever, raised an army of smoothheadians to stage a coup, but was betrayed and the smoothheadian leader took power. Kind of like the Mamluk Sultanate during the medieval age.
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Jul 7, 2014 21:46
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So I started watching Voyager again, because I hate myself. I skipped Caretaker because gently caress that. I started with "Parallax", which is what gave us "WARP PARTICLES!". I was actually surprised how good it was before the technobabble took over. The episode starts strong, and all the actors are really giving it their all. Robert Beltran has a good intensity that is lacking in later seasons. You can already tell he is bored during technobabble oriented scenes though. Also, the next episode, "Time and Again" sets the precedent for reset button plots. Not only that, but just like the last episode, Voyager is lured to an event that is actually caused by them time traveling. That's really silly to put as the premise for the two episodes immediately following your pilot...
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Jul 7, 2014 22:13
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MikeJF posted:Small bridge before: I SAID, "AHEAD WARP FACTOR TWO!" I'm sorry, captain, I just can't hear you.
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Jul 7, 2014 22:34
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Subyng posted:Before Enterprise's dumb Klingon Augment arc my explanation for why there were smooth-headed Klingons in TOS Didn't Gene himself say he never intended for there to be any distinction between the two, and that if he could he would have had bumpy-headed Klingons all along? Crosscontaminant fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Jul 7, 2014 |
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Jul 7, 2014 22:54
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Pasco posted:My God, that's a big ship. Art.
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Jul 7, 2014 23:17
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Pasco posted:My God, that's a big ship. [heretofore opinion about the Excelsior], but THIS.
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Jul 7, 2014 23:21
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Crosscontaminant posted:Before DS9's excellent Trials and Tribble-ations my explanation for why there were smooth-headed Klingons in TOS was because of the makeup department not being able to afford fancy things like forehead prostheses in the 1960s. All they had to do was add one more amusing joke to an already great episode - change Michael Dorn's makeup for the duration of his stay in the 23rd century with nobody so much as looking like they noticed anything was different. Well obviously we all know the real life explanation but where's the fun in that? I agree though, having Worf's ridges just spontaneously appear and disappear between the Defiant and the station would have been hilarious.
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Jul 7, 2014 23:31
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Subyng posted:having Worf's ridges just spontaneously appear and disappear between the Defiant and the station would have been hilarious. Oh wow, I never even considered that. That would have been just as good a gag as the gag we got. Even if it was an immediately "woah what the hell worf what happened" and they get interrupted every time before he can explain it As a kid I always assumed that the Klingons from TOS were from a different country/continent than the TNG Klingons. That seemed to me the cleanest way to do it, but then again I had no concept that the writers would write aliens so one-dimensionally.
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Jul 7, 2014 23:49
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Hard Clumping posted:Oh wow, I never even considered that. That would have been just as good a gag as the gag we got. Even if it was an immediately "woah what the hell worf what happened" and they get interrupted every time before he can explain it Aren't there Klingong characters in DS9 with ridges that were present in TOS without ridges? I never watched the augment arc of Enterprise because I find that that show unwatchably boring. I wish I didn't... I just watched Voyager season 1, episode 5: "Phage" I understand that sets are expensive to build, but reusing the set used in the climax of the previous episode ("Time and Again") in the intro to this episode was really lame. That corridor is pretty distinctive. This episode is not bad. It's not great either. Neelix turns the captain's dining room into a galley just in time to get his lungs stolen. The Vidiians are an interesting "we exist for the inherent moral dilemma" race, but I don't understand why Kes had to give up a lung. They should have said "hey guy who stole Neelix's lungs, let him have one back and we'll let you off with a warning". The highlight of the episode is when Neelix asks The Doctor if he's programmed to sing, and The Doctor rolls his eyes. This episode contains one trope I cannot stand in any medium, which is the "hall of mirrors makes it hard to identify the real badguy". Voyager flies inside and asteroid that is mirrored on the inside and they can't find the real Vidiian ship. Hey idiots, if the light is reflecting of a surface to show an image of the ship, then you can shoot a laser at it and hit the ship. That's what reflection means! Also, any optical navigation equipment would have been able to to determine which ship was the real ship. Janeway makes it worse by saying "It's like moving through a hall of mirrors: You never know when you're going to walk into the glass." YES YOU DO! IT'S WHEN YOU SEE A REFLECTION OF YOURSELF WALKING STRAIGHT TOWARD YOU!
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Jul 8, 2014 00:28
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Mister Kingdom posted:I SAID, "AHEAD WARP FACTOR TWO!" That's what Nog is for.
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Jul 8, 2014 00:29
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Snak posted:Aren't there Klingong characters in DS9 with ridges that were present in TOS without ridges? I never watched the augment arc of Enterprise because I find that that show unwatchably boring. I wish I didn't... Yeah, we see Kang, Kor and Koloth, three TOS Klingons, in DS9.
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Jul 8, 2014 00:39
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MikeJF posted:Yeah, we see Kang, Kor and Koloth, three TOS Klingons, in DS9. And if I recall they are played by the same actors. Which is cool. I think that it supports the "Klingons have always had ridges, makeup has gotten better" school of thought. But again, I'm not familiar with ENT's Augment arc...
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Jul 8, 2014 00:48
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Snak posted:Janeway makes it worse by saying "It's like moving through a hall of mirrors: You never know when you're going to walk into the glass." Any decent hall of mirrors has both mirrors and transparent glass just so that you will walk into the glass repeatedly. Also, looking at the floor is cheating and only losers do that.
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Jul 8, 2014 00:48
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Subyng posted:Well obviously we all know the real life explanation but where's the fun in that? I agree though, having Worf's ridges just spontaneously appear and disappear between the Defiant and the station would have been hilarious. I can't fault DS9's writers for feeling like they had to say something to acknowledge the change. They had the sense to leave it completely unexplained, though. Worf growling "We do not discuss it with outsiders" was all that needed to be said.
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Jul 8, 2014 01:12
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FuturePastNow posted:I can't fault DS9's writers for feeling like they had to say something to acknowledge the change. They had the sense to leave it completely unexplained, though. Worf growling "We do not discuss it with outsiders" was all that needed to be said. Yeah, the augment arc in ENT was a hot mess. That's the kind of thing that gets posted in a thread like this as a fun bit of fan wank, it's not ready for prime time. "Why do Klingons look different now" was one of the few things I didn't want an answer to, so it was a big disappointment that they spent time on that and not on more interesting topics.
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Jul 8, 2014 02:24
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Aye, and if my grandmother had wheels she'd be a wagon. Just kiddin, Excelsior rules. Even the State of NY agrees: 
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Mr. Horrible posted:Yeah, the augment arc in ENT was a hot mess. That's the kind of thing that gets posted in a thread like this as a fun bit of fan wank, it's not ready for prime time. "Why do Klingons look different now" was one of the few things I didn't want an answer to, so it was a big disappointment that they spent time on that and not on more interesting topics.  My children, you are so perfect. I have given you genetic purity. You will rule the human race. dad can we please have clothes. our clothes are literally stretched rags please da-- no
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Jul 8, 2014 02:42
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Mr. Horrible posted:Yeah, the augment arc in ENT was a hot mess. That's the kind of thing that gets posted in a thread like this as a fun bit of fan wank, it's not ready for prime time. "Why do Klingons look different now" was one of the few things I didn't want an answer to, so it was a big disappointment that they spent time on that and not on more interesting topics. This is why shows should never do what the fans say they want. They are always wrong.
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Jul 8, 2014 03:12
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And Star Trek is at it's best when it's exploring actual issues, the way science fiction should. It's at it's worst when it's answering questions about the Trek canon.
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Jul 8, 2014 03:56
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I wouldn't say it's at it's worst when it does that, but running a show or movie(s) on nothing but fanwank gets old after 5 minutes and I suspect that most of the modern focus on it is more about selling merchandise to undiscerning nerds that don't understand why they like what they like and try to fill their empty lives with anything they feel gives them meaning than telling an entertaining story.
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Jul 8, 2014 04:00
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Snak posted:And Star Trek is at it's best when it's exploring actual issues, the way science fiction should. It's at it's worst when it's answering questions about the Trek canon.
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FlamingLiberal posted:I thought it was clever how they connected the TOS episode 'Tholian Web' with the Enterprise Mirror Universe episode, even if it was fanwank. Agreed, but only in the same way that Star Trek Online connects old plots to new ones. I think "Boy, they sure have done their research." then I take the pipe out of my mouth and air my robe out to dry and think "but eeueughgughghgleghlehlaglg"
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Jul 8, 2014 05:28
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FuturePastNow posted:I'm probably reading too much into it. The whole point of this thread is to do exactly that!
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Jul 8, 2014 07:51
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Pasco posted:My God, that's a big ship. Despite it being an old meme this is legitimately one of the best mixes I've seen of it. The ending is perfect.
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Jul 8, 2014 08:08
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Pasco posted:My God, that's a big ship. My god, Bones. What have I done... This is a thing of beauty.
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Jul 8, 2014 08:21
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So TNG: Timescape has one of the best Troi openers. She talks about getting hit on by an interspecies mating expert. "I'M REALLY QUITE A SENSITIVE MAN, MYSELF."
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Jul 8, 2014 13:12
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Cythereal posted:The Marauder, another loaner from the Orions. Neg, those are clearly Gallente ships.
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