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You used to be able to erase your gender for the round (you'd be referred to as "it" in descriptions, and have female voice sounds) by having 2 lit flashlights in your pockets and one in each hand. I don't know whether it was some sort of secret or weird code but I was sad when it was finally fixed.
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I am actually kind of surprised the game doesn't have gender reassignment / nullification surgery already, it seems like the sort of thing someone would have done.
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Jul 7, 2014 22:17
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Problem is, targetting the groin and using the scalpel-saw-scalpel-saw already is used to remove butts. How else would it be done? 
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Jul 7, 2014 22:18
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RabidWeasel posted:I am actually kind of surprised the game doesn't have gender reassignment / nullification surgery already, it seems like the sort of thing someone would have done. I'd keep it that way imo. Bringing SRS into a 2d spaceman game is just asking to open the floodgates to awful trans*-ist drama.
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Jul 7, 2014 22:21
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RabidWeasel posted:I am actually kind of surprised the game doesn't have gender reassignment / nullification surgery already, it seems like the sort of thing someone would have done. It's a feature on some other servers. An incredibly over-detailed feature that can be done with improvised tools like hacksaws, glass shards, and wirecutters. I think you can guess from this it isn't a feature meant for the empowerment and representation of alternative gender identities. Of all the places to discuss gender identity politics, Space Station 13 is not the most appropriate or necessary one, and I think that's all that needs to be said about the matter.
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Jul 7, 2014 22:29
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Daeren posted:As far as I understand, it's partly nightmare spaghetti code to get things working within BYOND's limitations, partly shabbily documented code made by people who barely knew what they were doing that still lurks waiting to ruin Christmas, and partly the fact that there's so many moving parts and intersections in the code that several pieces of perfectly innocuous code can interlock due to unnoticed connections and cause ridiculous bugs. It just amazes me a lot - games with this number of objects have had interactivity explosions since at least Infocom.. but a game that is at once so glitchy that you can break it in such bizarre ways and yet at the same time works so well that experimenting with it is not only freely possible but a lot of fun is quite remarkable. 
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Jul 7, 2014 22:36
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There's also the fun game of trying to count the sheer number of ways chemistry has completely hosed over the game. Good luck with that one.
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Jul 7, 2014 22:40
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As famously quoted/paraphrased by one of the main admins of our servers in one of his drunken anti-chemistry crusades: "There, all of chemistry is gone. All chemicals are gone. Let's see you blow up the station with potato chips and bottled water" Later: "HOW DID YOU BLOW UP THE STATION WITH POTATO CHIPS AND BOTTLED WATER?!"
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Jul 7, 2014 23:00
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Razage posted:It put these in the job selection screen and then things went reallllly weird with sprites showing up in random places and the colours going all wonky!
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Jul 7, 2014 23:04
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RoadCrewWorker posted:So BEYOND is basically a gameboy emulator? nifty Nah, it's probably a bit dafter than that.. I lost it when I realized that every single clickable window in SS13 is actually a help screen as far as BYOND is concerned, because that's the only way it supports clickable text. 
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Jul 7, 2014 23:12
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Daeren posted:It's a feature on some other servers. An incredibly over-detailed feature that can be done with improvised tools like hacksaws, glass shards, and wirecutters. I think you can guess from this it isn't a feature meant for the empowerment and representation of alternative gender identities. Oh, I didn't say I thought it was a good idea, just inevitable I suppose the fact that Goonstation doesn't let you literally poo poo everywhere actually makes it relatively high brow compared to some of the other SS13 offerings. In any case, being able to debutt someone is obviously far more important.
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Jul 7, 2014 23:33
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hyphz posted:Nah, it's probably a bit dafter than that.. I lost it when I realized that every single clickable window in SS13 is actually a help screen as far as BYOND is concerned, because that's the only way it supports clickable text. Hahaha, what? Every time I hear more about the coding of this game I love it more. I mean, that just sounds so literally crazy, and yet here we are.
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Jul 8, 2014 00:03
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RabidWeasel posted:I suppose the fact that Goonstation doesn't let you literally poo poo everywhere actually makes it relatively high brow compared to some of the other SS13 offerings.    WARNING! WARNING! Incoming shitstorm detected! WARNING! WARNING!
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Jul 8, 2014 00:17
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Archenteron posted:"There, all of chemistry is gone. All chemicals are gone. Let's see you blow up the station with potato chips and bottled water" As funny as the juxtaposition itself is, I'd really like to know what happened in between.
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Jul 8, 2014 00:39
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I assume if you know what to do - or rather what to never ever do - to things like the reactor you can probably blow up the station with your bare hands.
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Jul 8, 2014 00:46
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It's so weird not being in an important role, not being on anyone's hitlist and STILL being randomly murdered. This game is crazy. On heavily populated servers, full mechanical toolboxes don't even exist.
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Jul 8, 2014 00:49
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Razage posted:Hahaha, what? Every time I hear more about the coding of this game I love it more. I mean, that just sounds so literally crazy, and yet here we are. Based on the public r4xxx source all the screens I think are done with a function browse() and the callback when you click on something is called topic(). Because it was originally meant for help topics. Even the BYOND manual talks about using it for other things now, but still. Eek.
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Jul 8, 2014 01:27
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Bobbin Threadbare posted:As funny as the juxtaposition itself is, I'd really like to know what happened in between. Yeah I was the admin around for that one. The chemists were being loving terrorists as usual, blowing people up and melting poo poo. I was pretty drunk and cranky (my default state when adminning) so I told them to knock it off. They didn't, so I deleted their chemical equipment. Then the fuckers started using poo poo from vending machines to make bombs, so I deleted the coffee vending machines they were using. FINE NO MORE HAPPY ELF HOT CHOCOLATE FOR ANYONE. THen the soda machines, then the kitchen and bar stuff, etc. Eventually, all that was left was a snack machine that contained nothing but a couple packets of potato chips, and a sink they could use to get water. They still managed to create fiery explosions, and to this DAY I have no earthly idea how. POTATO CHIPS AND WATER. I'd even made sure to remove any containers they had on them to keep them from stashing ingredients for future use. Literally all they had access to was potato chips and water. People wonder why I drink. Oh, also, if you want some primo glitches, catch it when the hourly build coincides with the server restarting, and the server restart finishes first, but before the compile is finished. That's when the REALLY crazy crap happens, because assets are being pulled from the code while the code is being compiled.
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Jul 8, 2014 02:29
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PopeCrunch posted:Oh, also, if you want some primo glitches, catch it when the hourly build coincides with the server restarting, and the server restart finishes first, but before the compile is finished. That's when the REALLY crazy crap happens, because assets are being pulled from the code while the code is being compiled. This just sounds delicious. Someday I will get to see this magnificence, someday!
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Jul 8, 2014 03:08
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And of course, we can't have this story without the original posts, chained together into a nice story. Because it's an amazing story and deserves to be repeated. It's still in my top 3 favorite stories about this game.PopeCrunch posted:When I scream and holler and delete the lights in Chemistry and alter one of the chemical machines to only output blood and vomit, it's not because someone's using a recipe list. That just means it's time to punish Chemistry for existing. Clockwork Cupcake posted:The only time I remember you loving with Chem, you changed one of the dispensers so it only gave out blood and added something that exploded HORRIBLY when chilled to the list on one of the others. Was it "reward Chemistry for existing" time that day or what? Klayboxx posted:When poop existed you would alter them to only output poop and piss. I remember that quite fondly. Captain Bravo posted:The best Chemistry round was the round where Science was determined to have finally gone Too FarTM and the entire research wing was deleted and replaced with a band room. Neddy Seagoon posted:I'm trying to picture what could possibly qualify as this, and every time all I come up with is a smoking hole open to space in the station where Chemistry once was. Captain Bravo posted:I'll give you a hint, it was immediately after one of Cog's big chemistry updates, where he added in new stuff. Coolguye posted:I wish I could find the screencaps on the wiki of the time Pope went absolutely loving apeshit on Chemistry. He murdered all the Chemists, and deleted everything that could potentially be used to do chemistry, even in the kitchen. He sent announcements at each step in this process, getting more and more furious each time someone found some other way to do chemistry on the station. Dozens of people asked "what did the chemists do???" over and over again. PopeCrunch posted:I couldn't figure out how you goatfuckers STILL managed to be terrorists with potato chips and water. YOU FOUND A WAY. I had two coders on IRC combing through reactions trying to figure out exactly how you motherless fucks were managing to make potato chips and water into explosives, and they had no loving idea. It shouldn't have been possible. It couldn't have been possible. I fear for the safety of the world if the people who managed to find a way to do murders with mother loving potato chips and goddamned water ever get recruited by a real world terrorist organization. The headlines the next day will read something like WE'RE ALL hosed: SOME NERD KILLS 3/4 OF THE WORLD'S POPULATION WITH A USED BANDAID AND THE SQUEAKER FROM A DOG TOY. THIS SECURITY PHOTO SHOWS THE SUSPECT PURCHASING A STICK OF GUM. DOES HE WANT FRESH BREATH, OR IS HE FINISHING THE JOB? OUR ONLY CONSOLATION IS THAT WE WILL PROBABLY NEVER SEE IT COMING. FILM AT 11 IF WE'RE LUCKY. OR UNLUCKY. gently caress IT. WHATEVER. -(AP) And for newer content, speaking of interesting bugs: Dr. Cogwerks posted:There was a change made recently to let piles of burning weed give off THC smoke, and anything else with reagents would release them when set on fire.
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Jul 8, 2014 03:12
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PopeCrunch posted:I couldn't figure out how you goatfuckers STILL managed to be terrorists with potato chips and water. YOU FOUND A WAY. I had two coders on IRC combing through reactions trying to figure out exactly how you motherless fucks were managing to make potato chips and water into explosives, and they had no loving idea. It shouldn't have been possible. It couldn't have been possible. I fear for the safety of the world if the people who managed to find a way to do murders with mother loving potato chips and goddamned water ever get recruited by a real world terrorist organization. The headlines the next day will read something like WE'RE ALL hosed: SOME NERD KILLS 3/4 OF THE WORLD'S POPULATION WITH A USED BANDAID AND THE SQUEAKER FROM A DOG TOY. THIS SECURITY PHOTO SHOWS THE SUSPECT PURCHASING A STICK OF GUM. DOES HE WANT FRESH BREATH, OR IS HE FINISHING THE JOB? OUR ONLY CONSOLATION IS THAT WE WILL PROBABLY NEVER SEE IT COMING. FILM AT 11 IF WE'RE LUCKY. OR UNLUCKY. gently caress IT. WHATEVER. -(AP) I can never make it through reading this one without laughing so hard I cry  .
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Jul 8, 2014 03:33
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After watching some of this LP, I was convinced to finally give this incomprehensible game a shot. Thus far, my greatest success has been to start as quartermaster, accidentally launch myself into space via a conveyor belt in an attempt to work out where my office was, as I joined mid round, get blasted through space across numerous conveyor belts, and finally get dumped into the correct office right as I died. This game is art.
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Jul 8, 2014 04:25
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PopeCrunch posted:Yeah I was the admin around for that one. I've got a feeling I know how this happened. Something similar happened to me while I was in botany and while my fellow botanist and I were ignoring the chaos of the station, safely growing rainbow weed and bananas, suddenly I distilled the bananas and the computer loving exploded and erupted into flames. We couldn't figure out what the gently caress happened as literally all I did was break down bananas and weed. As the round came to an end, we finally figured out that the potassium was reacting with the water (the two ingredients you get when you break down the bananas) and causing an explosion. I'd think that the potato chips have sodium, and since sodium and potassium are in the same periodic column and they react violently to water... Well, you get where I'm going with this. Gaghskull fucked around with this message at 04:51 on Jul 8, 2014 |
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Jul 8, 2014 04:49
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hyphz posted:Nah, it's probably a bit dafter than that.. I lost it when I realized that every single clickable window in SS13 is actually a help screen as far as BYOND is concerned, because that's the only way it supports clickable text. The more I read about this game's code, the more my professional programmer ethic feels compelled to join the team and try to rewrite it or at least somehow clean it up internally (though it sounds like BYOND is maybe just not the sort of engine that permits decent code), and simultaneously the more the rest of my brain fears I'd go insane trying.
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100percentjesusfree posted:After watching some of this LP, I was convinced to finally give this incomprehensible game a shot. Thus far, my greatest success has been to start as quartermaster, accidentally launch myself into space via a conveyor belt in an attempt to work out where my office was, as I joined mid round, get blasted through space across numerous conveyor belts, and finally get dumped into the correct office right as I died. Ah, you put yourself into the Belt Hell transport system. I did that early on. I don't know if it's survivable - maybe if you have a breath mask? Regardless when starting as QM just assume not to tread on any of the multiple conveyors you have in your office.. I wondered about writing a page for the wiki giving a quick summary of all the station systems - at the moment they all have their own pages but they're separate and a lot of a new person to read. quote:The more I read about this game's code, the more my professional programmer ethic feels compelled to join the team and try to rewrite it or at least somehow clean it up internally (though it sounds like BYOND is maybe just not the sort of engine that permits decent code), and simultaneously the more the rest of my brain fears I'd go insane trying. I think Cogworks or one of the other devs posted that they'd regularly get people trying to do this and failing shattered. I did take a look at it because it was a game engine I've never heard of and I'm interested in those but BYOND's language is very weird - it has sort-of classes and sort-of inheritance and it may or may not have a distinction between classes and instances. Also, its "verbs" don't have validation steps or anything that object-verb game engines have had since TADS and it tries to hide the netcode from the programmer and you can guess what a good idea that is... You could probably put them in but I'm guessing the devs are saving any extensive rearchitecture for the remake version.
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Belt Hell is easily survivable, assuming you have access to oxygen, and a way to ward off the cold and radiation of space. Also, the brute damage you'll be accumulating from being mass driven into the walls. Can't forget that. But yeah, take care of the various forces conspiring to kill you and it's a great way to move about the station!
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Jul 8, 2014 05:35
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Last I tried it, belt hell is actually laughably innocuous as long as you have oxygen and maybe a burn patch or two for the cold damage. Until you get smashed by a crate for anything from 80 to 200+ (instagib) brute by a crate at a routing station, anyways.
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hyphz posted:I'm guessing the devs are saving any extensive rearchitecture for the remake version. It puts my mind at ease that there will be a remake version. I'm sure I'd end up another shattered failure trying to fix what's there now--from the description you gave of the language it sounds like they tried to make coding things easier by removing the parts of a language that are usually supposed to add rigor and prevent bugs... I'm still sort of amazed that this thing works at all, from the sound of the build setup.
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Gaghskull posted:I've got a feeling I know how this happened. Something similar happened to me while I was in botany and while my fellow botanist and I were ignoring the chaos of the station, safely growing rainbow weed and bananas, suddenly I distilled the bananas and the computer loving exploded and erupted into flames. We couldn't figure out what the gently caress happened as literally all I did was break down bananas and weed. As the round came to an end, we finally figured out that the potassium was reacting with the water (the two ingredients you get when you break down the bananas) and causing an explosion. I'd think that the potato chips have sodium, and since sodium and potassium are in the same periodic column and they react violently to water... Uhh... the entire periodic table of elements is not programmed into the game. Potassium may be a byproduct of chips, I don't know, but if so that's because a coder programmed it explicitly so that chips decay into potassium. Sometimes you gotta take a step back and remind yourself that it's a game, dude.
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Akratic Method posted:It puts my mind at ease that there will be a remake version. I'm sure I'd end up another shattered failure trying to fix what's there now--from the description you gave of the language it sounds like they tried to make coding things easier by removing the parts of a language that are usually supposed to add rigor and prevent bugs... I'm still sort of amazed that this thing works at all, from the sound of the build setup. If you have SS13, you have BYOND. If you have BYOND, you have Dream Maker, the BYOND devkit. Feel free to hack on the language. But yes, they are doing a standalone remake and it looks spectacular. Although as I read on the blog they're having netcode trouble I think?
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Actually belt hell is easily survivable with nothing. Sometimes if the station is blown to hell a trip through belt hell might be the safest way to get to the escape shuttle. Just slap a barcode on you and wait. It'll be cold and you'll suffocate a little but you'll likely to make it only a little worse for wear.
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hyphz posted:If you have SS13, you have BYOND. If you have BYOND, you have Dream Maker, the BYOND devkit. Feel free to hack on the language. I appreciate the encouragement, but tragically, I'm on a Mac. I'm pretty sure someone already asked if there's a way to get SS13 to run on OSX and was told no. Maybe if I come across a reason to expense a copy of Parallels for work... (and if I'm wrong about it being Windows-only, then... well, realistically then I'll just blow all my free time learning the ropes and playing this labyrinth of madness.) Is there a forum or site or something for the remake project? VV Well, that would be an obvious place for me to start looking, I suppose. 
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Jul 8, 2014 07:42
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There's a site conveniently located at spacestation13.com.
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Razage posted:This just sounds delicious. Someday I will get to see this magnificence, someday! And then you'll forget to record it like you did the one that ended in macho men running rampant
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Edward_Tohr posted:But yeah, take care of the various forces conspiring to kill you and it's a great way to move about the station! See also: Walking.
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Nalesh posted:And then you'll forget to record it like you did the one that ended in macho men running rampant God that round, it was actually pretty boring from my perspective. The only reason I made it to the end was because I was staying out of trouble. Also, by the time the matcho men showed up I was pretty focused on surviving.
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Jul 8, 2014 13:37
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There is a manual for BYOND's scripting language.
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Jul 8, 2014 13:54
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That's the most verbose description of how to summon Cthulhu i've ever seen.
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Captain Bravo posted:Uhh... the entire periodic table of elements is not programmed into the game. Potassium may be a byproduct of chips, I don't know, but if so that's because a coder programmed it explicitly so that chips decay into potassium. Sometimes you gotta take a step back and remind yourself that it's a game, dude. All I know is that both potassium and sodium are in the game. And I've been able to replicated the explosions with the bananas. I'd assume that sodium is in the potato chips. I don't know, chemistry in this game is weird as hell. 
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Captain Bravo posted:blow up robotics to ensure no more borgs can be created, and you're good to go. I thought that until several months ago: No borgs on station One roboticist No QM Blew robotics up, blew QM up, made sure all of the remaining robot crap was destroyed. Then there was a borg. Then there were two more. Lucky me, someone found a borging artifact and everyone was touching it. I ventured forward with my quest but I already used all my telecrystals on bombs so I needed something to kill the borgs. And there were too many humans still around as well. And I had blew up QM. If I recall that round ended with me being forced into becoming a borg, and all the borgs being on the escape shuttle with the artifact heading for CentCom.
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