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Smash 4 is guaranteed to be a poo poo game because the dumbass Sakurai is working on it. Why Nintendo didn't swallow their pride and hire actual masters at their craft like the Project: M dev team is unfathomable.
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Jul 8, 2014 04:25
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FZeroRacer posted:I feel like people are focusing too hard on the Mod part of the thing and not realizing how much of a herculean effort it is to actually mod a game like Brawl without easy access to the source or development tools. It's certainly very impressive and laudable, but when it goes hand in hand with "gently caress everyone who did all the stuff that came before," it looks lovely. Fortunately I don't think the actual Project M developers have been anything but respectful of the Smash Bros team.
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Jul 8, 2014 04:26
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Bicyclops posted:Project M is a little like Oscuro's Oblivion Overhaul. It's not necessarily difficult to install but it is an extra step. It is not an objectively superior product but appeals to a specific kind of player. It's for a niche group of players who do not make up the majority of people who play the game and they enjoy it very much and good for them, but maybe we don't need to hear about it every single time any aspect of the game is mentioned. OOO is better than its vanilla counterpart so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.
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Jul 8, 2014 04:29
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The Crusher posted:The bike gave Wario some really serious recovery options, I thought. When used in the air, it essentially gave him a third double-jump. If you pulled back before you jumped off the bike, it sent him higher (much higher than either of his normal jumps); if you pushed forward, it sent him forward. That, coupled with his waft, essentially gave him the second best recovery in the game (behind Meta Knight). Whatever boost his shoulder bash gives him in PM is peanuts in comparison. I know the topic's moved on but I knew a thing and I wanted to share my knowledge.
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Jul 8, 2014 04:33
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Lessail posted:Smash 4 is guaranteed to be a poo poo game because the dumbass Sakurai is working on it. Why Nintendo didn't swallow their pride and hire actual masters at their craft like the Project: M dev team is unfathomable. Like, I know this is trolling from the phrasing and all but it is what some people actually believe
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Jul 8, 2014 04:33
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I generally like Project M, but I do think it suffers from its design goals being so specific--ie similarity to melee and tournament play. Too many stages including Sonic's are sort of robbed of character. Not that I'm a huge fan of the actual Brawl Green Hill Zone but it would have been cool to actually make an interesting stage of it instead of 'eh, let's make it like Final Destination'
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Jul 8, 2014 04:36
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Bicyclops posted:Like, I know this is trolling from the phrasing and all but it is what some people actually believe It's not unheard of for companies to hire modders who have made impressive product using their game. Didn't L4D start out as a mod?
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Jul 8, 2014 04:38
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Lessail posted:Smash 4 is guaranteed to be a poo poo game because the dumbass Sakurai is working on it. Why Nintendo didn't swallow their pride and hire actual masters at their craft like the Project: M dev team is unfathomable. Melee was Sakurai's greatest failure. Lets hope he's incompetent with this new one and "accidentally" leaves in deep mechanics. fadam posted:It's not unheard of for companies to hire modders who have made impressive product using their game. Didn't L4D start out as a mod? That was Portal. IIRC the team got hired onto Valve right out of DigiPen.
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Jul 8, 2014 04:40
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fadam posted:It's not unheard of for companies to hire modders who have made impressive product using their game. Didn't L4D start out as a mod? I don't think you understand what he meant. It's not that Nintendo shouldn't hire the Project M team to help build Smash 4 it's letting Project M devs make Smash 4 by themselves.
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Jul 8, 2014 04:41
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Chaltab posted:I generally like Project M, but I do think it suffers from its design goals being so specific--ie similarity to melee and tournament play. Too many stages including Sonic's are sort of robbed of character. Not that I'm a huge fan of the actual Brawl Green Hill Zone but it would have been cool to actually make an interesting stage of it instead of 'eh, let's make it like Final Destination' This I definitely agree with. It's understandable why a lot of the Brawl stages aren't considered legal, and in theory creating legal versions of those stages is better than banning them, but the alternate designs they've come up with are all so basic.
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Jul 8, 2014 04:41
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GenericMartini posted:I don't think you understand what he meant. It's not that Nintendo shouldn't hire the Project M team to help build Smash 4 it's letting Project M make Smash 4 by themselves. Oh yeah, of course that would never happen.
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Jul 8, 2014 04:41
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Also a Japanese company hiring non-Japanese people to work with their largely Japanese staff might have some language issues.
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Jul 8, 2014 04:42
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Chaltab posted:I generally like Project M, but I do think it suffers from its design goals being so specific--ie similarity to melee and tournament play. Too many stages including Sonic's are sort of robbed of character. Not that I'm a huge fan of the actual Brawl Green Hill Zone but it would have been cool to actually make an interesting stage of it instead of 'eh, let's make it like Final Destination' I disagree, mainly because the stages they changed were absolutely terrible to actually play on and the gimmick wasn't very fun after the first few times. Like the WarioWare stage was fun once or twice and then the minigames became more annoying than fun. Or New Pork City, because New Pork City. The stages they've added are some of my favorites, like Hyrule Castle and Fourside. FZeroRacer fucked around with this message at 04:47 on Jul 8, 2014 |
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Jul 8, 2014 04:45
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Maple Leaf posted:That, coupled with his waft, essentially gave him the second best recovery in the game (behind Meta Knight). R.O.B. 
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Jul 8, 2014 04:45
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ImpAtom posted:Also a Japanese company hiring non-Japanese people to work with their largely Japanese staff might have some language issues. just let them take over because they're obviously better than that dirty bum Sakurai
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Jul 8, 2014 04:49
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Wario Ware stage is awesome, they need to add more minigames not less. Put the entire catalog of Warioware minigames in there. If y'all don't stop talkin nonsense I'm gonna call up my uncle at Nintendo and have them put tripping back in
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Jul 8, 2014 04:56
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Personally as long as I can get drunk and laugh until I'm red in the face I'd consider any game a success :o)
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Jul 8, 2014 04:58
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fadam posted:It's not unheard of for companies to hire modders who have made impressive product using their game. Didn't L4D start out as a mod? Doesn't exactly match the case here, but pretty much everything in Valve's catalog are from mods. Dota, Team Fortress, Counter-Strike... hell, I think Half-Life is the only one that isn't.
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Jul 8, 2014 04:59
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Bicyclops posted:but maybe we don't need to hear about it every single time any aspect of the game is mentioned. You would be surprised by the sheer amount of people who legitimately think Sakurai is a horrible person just because he didn't cater to their wishes about a party video game and will go the extra length just to spite him and people who enjoy his work.
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Jul 8, 2014 05:01
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Cleretic posted:Doesn't exactly match the case here, but pretty much everything in Valve's catalog are from mods. Dota, Team Fortress, Counter-Strike... hell, I think Half-Life is the only one that isn't. Portal. I was going to make a joke about Ricochet but that was a half life mod too.
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Jul 8, 2014 05:03
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mr.capps posted:Portal. Both Portals were made when Valve saw student games and decided to hire them. So they practically count.
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Jul 8, 2014 05:04
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TerminusEst13 posted:You would be surprised by the sheer amount of people who legitimately think Sakurai is a horrible person just because he didn't cater to their wishes about a party video game and will go the extra length just to spite him and people who enjoy his work. You'd be surprised how few people actually think that in this thread yet it keeps getting brought up for some reason
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Jul 8, 2014 05:08
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I have played Project M all of one time, and the one thing I really want from it is Lucario's super-slow, high power neutral B. It's just such a good spacing tool that even a scrub like me can enjoy (or punish the poo poo out of people with a charged ball).
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Jul 8, 2014 05:13
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Project M is bad because I played it once and tripped on a banana.
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Jul 8, 2014 05:21
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I really hope we get some remotely interesting news in the next Miiverse post, so we can talk about that instead of Project M. You know what? Here's the Project M thread. I wonder if we'll get another Smash info dump (comparable to E3 or Smash Direct) between now and the JPN 3DS launch. I am more curious now if the 3DS has any other features beyond Smash Run. I can imagine a smaller Direct video between the 3DS and WiiU launch just to showcase the WiiU features still under wraps.
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Jul 8, 2014 05:21
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The main reason you should play Project M is that it un-nerfs Jigglypuff.
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Jul 8, 2014 05:26
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Reiley posted:Personally as long as I can get drunk and laugh until I'm red in the face I'd consider any game a success :o) Drinking? Laughter? Those sound like things for a.... party game
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Jul 8, 2014 05:27
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Zonekeeper posted:The main reason you should play Project M is that it un-nerfs Jigglypuff. This is true but they also gave every character that wasn't a melee top tier a ridiculous recovery so she's still bad against like 75% of the cast. But Rest actually does something again and that's all that matters.
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Jul 8, 2014 05:36
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whalestory posted:You'd be surprised how few people actually think that in this thread yet it keeps getting brought up for some reason I'm pretty sure nobody actually thinks that. Sakurai owns (except for those times when he's trippin'), Smash owns, Kid Icarus: Uprising owns, play all the Sakurai games.
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Jul 8, 2014 05:40
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Zore posted:I don't like the Pokemon trainer being split into three different characters (a problem I also have with 4WiiU and 3DS). The changes to the Ice Climbers make them feel really weird, and I dislike that they can't freeze people any more. Ike is a lot less powerful and doesn't feel anywhere near as satisfying as his Brawl version where I had a lot of fun playing as him. Also they changed a bunch of his poo poo to mirror Roy... and then put Roy back in the game. I don't know why there's this obsession with making characters more alike when they weren't in the base game. Clones suck. Ike is actually a lot stronger and plays nothing like Ike though? And the Pokemon actually are worth playing now and don't suck. Chaltab posted:I generally like Project M, but I do think it suffers from its design goals being so specific--ie similarity to melee and tournament play. Too many stages including Sonic's are sort of robbed of character. Not that I'm a huge fan of the actual Brawl Green Hill Zone but it would have been cool to actually make an interesting stage of it instead of 'eh, let's make it like Final Destination' I agree that they shouldn't have neutralized every stage, I mean even in the competitive scene there's not many stages that get picked. A lot of the stages that changed and poo poo were dulled down and they don't even get picked anyway so that is kinda dumb.
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Jul 8, 2014 05:49
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ImpAtom posted:It's certainly very impressive and laudable, but when it goes hand in hand with "gently caress everyone who did all the stuff that came before," it looks lovely. Fortunately I don't think the actual Project M developers have been anything but respectful of the Smash Bros team. Yes, they've been nothing but respectful, even imposing rules on themselves such as not backporting things from Smahs 4. I don't know why Lessail needs to keep posting like everyone involved with PM hates regular Smash and wants to kill Sakurai. In fact, I see more regular Smash people sperging out about Project M, then I do Project M people demanding Sakurai's resignation and the cancelling of Smash 4. It's like if you ever mention you think Project M is really cool there's a sudden need to poo poo all over the place about how it's not a REAL Smash game and they're just a bunch of disrespectful hackers, or do whatever Lessail keeps doing. Really the only thing I have a problem with in Project M is the stages, and I forget about it because I have the Classic Stage Expansion mod installed and have replaced most of them, or returned stages and updated the new ones (Brawl Green Hill Zone, Project M Green Hill is now Scrap Brain Zone).
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Jul 8, 2014 05:55
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Ike rules because you can now dash across half the stage with his side b, jump cancel out of it and whack someone with the sword for the best of kills. What they did to Ike was nothing but a fantastic improvement, to me. Ike was glacial in Brawl.
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Jul 8, 2014 05:56
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While I'm not going to argue that they haven't been respectful or anything, 100% of the reason they aren't allowing the Smash 4 backports is that Nintendo would no longer be able to stay willfully blind of the project and would 100% shut it down.
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Jul 8, 2014 05:57
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I miss the Other M derails because at least they always had a "drat Samus used to be really cool" undertone to them.
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Jul 8, 2014 05:58
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Ometeotl posted:While I'm not going to argue that they haven't been respectful or anything, 100% of the reason they aren't allowing the Smash 4 backports is that Nintendo would no longer be able to stay willfully blind of the project and would 100% shut it down. Why is that? Filthy Haiku posted:I miss the Other M derails because at least they always had a "drat Samus used to be really cool" undertone to them. Well she was dammit.
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Jul 8, 2014 05:59
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DrPaper posted:Yes, they've been nothing but respectful, even imposing rules on themselves such as not backporting things from Smahs 4. I don't know why Lessail needs to keep posting like everyone involved with PM hates regular Smash and wants to kill Sakurai. In fact, I see more regular Smash people sperging out about Project M, then I do Project M people demanding Sakurai's resignation and the cancelling of Smash 4. It's like if you ever mention you think Project M is really cool there's a sudden need to poo poo all over the place about how it's not a REAL Smash game and they're just a bunch of disrespectful hackers, or do whatever Lessail keeps doing. I think you missed when people got to play the Smash 4 Demo and completely poo poo on it or the time after the invitational when "Nintendo knows about Project: M" meant Nintendo was going to kill it
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Jul 8, 2014 06:03
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If Nintendo even acknowledges Project M exists, they have to either shut it down or risk starting a precedent of allowing people to mod their games. This has come up like every time this threads hits the "NINTENDO GONNA SHUT IT DOWN" phase of the weekly Project M chat.
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Jul 8, 2014 06:04
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Ometeotl posted:While I'm not going to argue that they haven't been respectful or anything, 100% of the reason they aren't allowing the Smash 4 backports is that Nintendo would no longer be able to stay willfully blind of the project and would 100% shut it down. Except there are Smash 4 back ports on BrawlVault and nothings been shut down. There is no 100%, they're choosing to not do it, as they said because they don't want to risk it. Lessail posted:I think you missed when people got to play the Smash 4 Demo and completely poo poo on it or the time after the invitational when "Nintendo knows about Project: M" meant Nintendo was going to kill it Yeah, I'm sure Peachyhime represents the entirety of the Project M community. You don't have to like Project M, but you don't need to be so obnoxious every time it's brought up because you don't. DrPaper fucked around with this message at 06:06 on Jul 8, 2014 |
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Jul 8, 2014 06:04
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I like project m
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Jul 8, 2014 06:07
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A shocker I know
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Jul 8, 2014 06:08
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