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Ragingsheep posted:I think it's only a temporary measure due to the intervention of the High Court and the actual policy would be to send them back asap which already happened in one instance). It's an injunction designed, effectively, to preserve the thing that the case is actually about. That is, while there's a question about whether or not the government can send them back to Sri Lanka, the High Court has acted to ensure that they can't do it. As for what will happen after the High Court makes its final decision, who knows, we'll have to wait and see. Today's hearing is really just about whether the injunction needs to be kept in place, and it seems Justice Crennan has decided that it does. The case itself will, it seems, be heard by the Full Bench some time soon. They'll probably come out of recess to deal with it, as otherwise there are no sitting dates scheduled until August.
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King Faraday posted:I see a lot of references to boats being stopped when they're just being stopped from arriving. But stopped from arriving is what matters. That's the whole point isn't it?
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Murodese posted:While I appreciate that there are some people within the Liberal Party that aren't horrendous pieces of poo poo (socially), the chances of #returnbull approach 0. From the outside, the LNP look to be heading further to the right, not towards the center. You're a member, right? Is it actually any different from within the party? Or is this some BCR-esque "changing the party from within" poo poo that has no chance of ever eventuating? Tony has no real numbers of his own - which is why he can't do anything about Diaz who is literally a nobody outside his conference. Inside there is a wider spread of opinion. Most members find all advertising and packaging of policy for media to be cringe worthy - even more so when they disagree with it. There are lots of people at the big end of town who are 'liberals' won't support Tony for multiple reasons. But realistically given the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd caper, the only hope is an apocalyptic failure to pass the budget and 'resignation' of the PM. MT won't challenge unless Tony literally asks for it. Hypation fucked around with this message at 06:47 on Jul 8, 2014 |
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Ragingsheep posted:From what I understand, the government can't send them back to Sri Lanka without a 72hr notice to the High Court Is there anything stopping them from putting their 72 hours notice in now and shipping them off on Friday or does that go against the spirit of the ruling?
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Serrath posted:Is there anything stopping them from putting their 72 hours notice in now and shipping them off on Friday or does that go against the spirit of the ruling? The 72 hours is presumably to give the court a chance to slap an injunction on future attempts before they happen.
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Jul 8, 2014 06:50
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Hypation posted:But stopped from arriving is what matters. That's the whole point isn't it? If you take it at face value that the Coalition's policy goal is to prevent people from drowning at sea then, no, stopping boats from arriving is not what matters. The point is to stop people from even attempting the voyage in the first place, which clearly is not happening. So, no, the Coalition have comprehensively failed to "stop the boats". The only way to stop the boats is to stop the war and violence and repression that causes people to flee in the first place.
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Yeah, the Coalition policy is a success from the "stop brown people from getting here" perspective but is pretty much a unilateral failure from the whole drowning-at-seas perspective. If boats are coming and being intercepted, they're still at risk. Plus, we're still adding people to detention centers that are already killing people.
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Geoff Lemon dropping truth bombs http://heathenscripture.wordpress.com/2014/07/08/meet-australia-the-traitor-who-turns-you-in/ Would quote but am phoneposting.
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In yet more WTF Senate news, Ricky Muir wants to keep ARENA funding: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/08/ricky-muir-seeking-to-save-the-australian-renewable-energy-agency?CMP=soc_567 Grauniad Ausrtalia posted:Motoring Enthusiast senator Ricky Muir has emerged as a surprise would-be saviour of the $2bn Australian Renewable Energy Agency (Arena), seeking to amend the carbon tax repeal bills to stop $435m in funding being stripped from the clean energy body and promising to try to stop its abolition. E: That Geoff Lemon piece is hurtfully true, Sigsmund, and I felt my throat closing up with helpless rage as I read it. What the hell is there to do, though, besides shout this stuff from the rooftops? We can say it and say it but it has to have a receptive audience and too many Australians just don't. Give. A poo poo. gently caress this unthinking country. SadisTech fucked around with this message at 07:14 on Jul 8, 2014 |
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Foundry Dancer posted:Yeah, I get that the price under an ETS is determined by the market (it seems like one of the places where a market-based approach can actually be beneficial). But just to be absolutely crystal clear on Palmer's stance, what he wants to do is abolish an ETS and replace it with...an ETS. I know our It's all political. The Libs need to be able to say they repealed the carbon tax otherwise they're going to look bad. Palmer is playing both sides, he can bargain with the Libs so they get to say they axed the tax and can say he's progressive as he helped implement a (non-functioning) ETS. The fact that it would be an ETS anyway is moot, people reading the Herald Sun care about seeing that dead tax headline and that's it. What will be interesting is the response when it does nothing to electricity prices anyway.
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Sisgmund posted:Geoff Lemon dropping truth bombs http://heathenscripture.wordpress.com/2014/07/08/meet-australia-the-traitor-who-turns-you-in/ Counterpoint: ignorant skidmarks who know what the score really is. Economic migrants!
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Foundry Dancer posted:If you take it at face value that the Coalition's policy goal is to prevent people from drowning at sea then, no, stopping boats from arriving is not what matters. The point is to stop people from even attempting the voyage in the first place, which clearly is not happening. So, no, the Coalition have comprehensively failed to "stop the boats". The only way to stop the boats is to stop the war and violence and repression that causes people to flee in the first place. Of course that isn't the case though which is why they brag that 0 boats have arrived. For all we know x number turned around could have sunk and unless evidence arises we'd never hear about it from the government even if they had fist had knowledge. At the heart it's a racial issue though, no one gives a poo poo about the Irish backpacker handing them a beer who's been paid under the table or has overstayed their visa.
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Foundry Dancer posted:If you take it at face value that the Coalition's policy goal is to prevent people from drowning at sea then, no, stopping boats from arriving is not what matters. The point is to stop people from even attempting the voyage in the first place, which clearly is not happening. So, no, the Coalition have comprehensively failed to "stop the boats". The only way to stop the boats is to stop the war and violence and repression that causes people to flee in the first place. This: Murodese posted:Yeah, the Coalition policy is a success from the "stop brown people from getting here" perspective but is pretty much a unilateral failure from the whole drowning-at-seas perspective. If boats are coming and being intercepted, they're still at risk. Plus, we're still adding people to detention centers that are already killing people. Is what wins the votes... ...Unfortunately
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Sisgmund posted:Geoff Lemon dropping truth bombs http://heathenscripture.wordpress.com/2014/07/08/meet-australia-the-traitor-who-turns-you-in/ Amazing piece, thank you for sharing it. This whole thing has me crushingly depressed and angry. I want to find every loving liberal voter and airdrop them into north Sri Lanka. I'm so angry it hurts.
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Also we spend approximately x10 the cost per person to process offshore then community based processing.
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Nibbles141 posted:It's all political. The Libs need to be able to say they repealed the carbon tax otherwise they're going to look bad. Palmer is playing both sides, he can bargain with the Libs so they get to say they axed the tax and can say he's progressive as he helped implement a (non-functioning) ETS. The fact that it would be an ETS anyway is moot, people reading the Herald Sun care about seeing that dead tax headline and that's it. So it's all just politics. Sadly, it makes sense now. I don't think it will be much of an issue when the repeal fails to do anything to electricity prices. The introduction of the carbon price did very little to electricity prices and the Coalition managed to turn that complete non-issue into a crisis. They'll spin the carbon price repeal into a win for the ordinary Australian. And the people reading the Herald Sun will believe it.
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Hypation posted:This: Oh I completely agree. Which is why it's so infuriating to see the Coalition bragging about stopping the boats: duck monster posted:PREPARE TO poo poo BLOOD
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Not really, they turned the carbon tax into an issue long before it was ever implemented. It was reasonably telling when literally nobody noticed when it was actually implemented.
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They continued to hammer the point though, and a significant amount of people out there believe electricity prices are due to it.
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And now for one of my favourite subjects:Australian Financial Review posted:Macquarie duped rivals into handing over secrets The Tl;Dr of it is someone in MacCap created a fake family office saying it had money to invest and solicited offers and product disclosures from MacCap's competitors- which it can then use to adjust its own pricing and terms etc. The bank allegedly knew and did a CBA. Now the dudes what responsible could be looking at civil action or criminal charges. Not that anyone is really showing much interest in prosecuting. If it were not MacCap but a mom and pop type financial advisory business, you'd bet ASIC would look at taking their financial services license.
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no but dont you all see, we need to stop the boatts because they mean that people are drowning at sea! we can't have people dying at sea much more human to turn them over to genocide and murder at the hands of their government
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Soag posted:no but dont you all see, we need to stop the boatts because they mean that people are drowning at sea! we can't have people dying at sea We just don't want people drowning in OUR seas. They can go drown in a leaky boat in the middle of the Mediterranean for all we care.
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Sisgmund posted:Geoff Lemon dropping truth bombs http://heathenscripture.wordpress.com/2014/07/08/meet-australia-the-traitor-who-turns-you-in/ Pro-click as gently caress, this is a pro-clickers only zone
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adamantium|wang posted:Pro-click as gently caress, this is a pro-clickers only zone I was going to click but then I read this 
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Hypation posted:And now for one of my favourite subjects: Amazing. I love this sort of thing.
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Shut up about Scott Morrison for 5 seconds and marvel at this amazing website/video. http://www.sbs.com.au/cronullariots/
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shut up about people from cronulla and watch this thing about people from cronulla
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quote:Patriotic Australian letters were posted in Aquinas College at Menai and surrounding suburbs. Reference was made to the 'spineless attack on the Life Guards at North Cronulla Beach. All Australians are called upon to unite and strike down the young men of 'Middle Eastern' appearance. I didn't know this happened, which is weird considering it's my old high school. Our english teacher all made us do a speech about the Cronulla riots which was a horrible day because I'm pretty sure at least 80% of the class were glad the riots happened, and a couple of kids talked like they had gone down and gotten involved. The Shire is poo poo.
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Nah you're right lets go back to the pissing contest of who can be more depressed about our refugee policy that will never change without a massive societal shift like the ones encouraged in this documentary/call Scott Morrison a oval office without actually saying oval office because the last 5 pages of it didnt really emphasise it enough.
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Lawyer mate of mine has pointed out that there is precedent for (Italian?) courts considering "irregular arrivals" outside of the migration zone to still be covered by that refugee convention thing. Or something like that.
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xPanda posted:Can someone post that "gently caress off we're  Bonus round: 
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King Faraday posted:I see a lot of references to boats being stopped when they're just being stopped from arriving. If you measure the the amount of boats that *successfully* completed their mission on the period specified, turns out its also zero on the red side too. And theres plenty of boats still trying it on since the libs got into power. Difference is theres a huge media gag on thats preventing it being reported properly. That infographic borders on fraud, in the moral sense of the term. duck monster fucked around with this message at 12:12 on Jul 8, 2014 |
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Endman posted:This avatar sure will destroy my credibility with the D&D posters Jesus who the gently caress bought you that
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